Post covid smoking on royal

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

Source please.

There was a joint study between Ohio State University (I am pretty sure) and NIH. I read it last fall in a “throw away” journal. 
 

They noted that there was a legitimate potential for virus particles to travel further and longer longer on cigarette smoke than with a non smoke exhalation. Worth noting, the same study found that “vaping smoke” was exponentially worse as the water vapor carried particles even further and lingered longer. 

[not-enough-cruising]

3 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

 

So I guess that would only be relevant if Royal allowed a bunch of unvaccinated adults onboard. 

I don’t know if relevant is the term I would use, but certainly less concerning with vaccinated adults than with unvaccinated.  
 

Until we know what verification is possible about vaccine status, one can’t be too sure about who is or is not on a ship. 

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, time4u2go said:

Doesn't the same thing happen with breathing?

Yes, but when exhaling smoke, the aerosols and droplets travel further. I believe I commented on that a few posts ago. Exhaling is a bit stronger than normal breathing. Take it from me as a smoker for over 30 years. Gladly quit cold turkey 16 years ago.

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, Heymarco said:

Source please.

I'm the source. I was a smoker and I know from first hand experience.

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, Hogbay said:

Thanks for the quote...🙄 with your understanding of anatomy of the human lungs what is your view of Heard amunity .🤣

Is that a joke that is going straight over my head? Or do you not know the correct spelling of those two words?

[coffeebean]

3 hours ago, Heymarco said:

 

So I guess that would only be relevant if Royal allowed a bunch of unvaccinated adults onboard. 

It would be more relevant if smoking were allowed indoors.

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, Heymarco said:

 

Seems similar to your stance on children onboard. Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean science and data support it.

 

For  example, I have seen in other threads that you don’t want masks onboard. Yet in this case you want smokers outside. Why would it be ok to walk around without a mask, but not ok to smoke inside? 

 

It is UN-vaccinated children that I do not want to sail with. As soon as they can be vaccinated, then I have no qualms about kids on the ships. Certainly, my stance on that is shared by many more vaccinated people on this forum than there are people who are vaccinated that wish to cruise with un-vaccinated children.

 

As for smoking in general, even without a pandemic.......I would much prefer there be NO SMOKING indoors on any ship. Just like there is no smoking indoors in the United States, anywhere. I have gotten so spoiled with that and wish it were that way on ships too.

 

As for my comments on this thread regarding smokers........Yes, I want smokers who are UN-vaccinated to smoke outside. That is a Covid safety issue with un-vaccinated people potentially transmitting the virus while exhaling cigarette smoke that may be laden with virus.  As an ex-smoker, I know that exhaling cigarette smoke is a stronger exhale than normal breathing. I know I already said that and I'm sure it was on this thread because this is the only thread of late that deals with cigarette smoking. Just wondering why I must repeat myself.

[smokeybandit]

There were claims early on that secondhand smoke could spread covid more than just exhaled air. 

 

But I'm not aware of any studies that actually looked at it to see if it's true.

 

Then again there were claims that swimming in the ocean would make you more likely to get covid, too

Edited June 1, 2021 by smokeybandit

[coffeebean]

7 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

There were claims early on that secondhand smoke could spread covid more than just exhaled air. 

 

But I'm not away of any studies that actually looked at it to see if it's true.

 

Then again there were claims that swimming in the ocean would make you more likely to get covid, too

Swimming in the ocean would make you more likely to get Covid? Really? I'm no expert but that seems ludicrous.

 

As for cigarette smoking, I found this article.....

Can second hand cigarette smoke transmit the Covid virus?

[smokeybandit]

2 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Swimming in the ocean would make you more likely to get Covid? Really? I'm no expert but that seems ludicrous.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-11/coronavirus-danger-california-beaches

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-11/coronavirus-danger-california-beaches

The article claims that the spread of virus may be more transmissible at the beach, not from swimming in the ocean. My response was regarding a comment that swimming in the ocean would more likely make you get Covid. Again, my response remains the same........that is ludicrous.

[Casino Comp Chick]

I see the non smoking lobbyists are out. If you don’t like smoke stay out of the casino. Non smokers have 90% of the ships so I don’t care if the non smokers whine about it. 

[Casino Comp Chick]

8 hours ago, coffeebean said:

 

It is UN-vaccinated children that I do not want to sail with. As soon as they can be vaccinated, then I have no qualms about kids on the ships. Certainly, my stance on that is shared by many more vaccinated people on this forum than there are people who are vaccinated that wish to cruise with un-vaccinated children.

 

As for smoking in general, even without a pandemic.......I would much prefer there be NO SMOKING indoors on any ship. Just like there is no smoking indoors in the United States, anywhere. I have gotten so spoiled with that and wish it were that way on ships too.

 

As for my comments on this thread regarding smokers........Yes, I want smokers who are UN-vaccinated to smoke outside. That is a Covid safety issue with un-vaccinated people potentially transmitting the virus while exhaling cigarette smoke that may be laden with virus.  As an ex-smoker, I know that exhaling cigarette smoke is a stronger exhale than normal breathing. I know I already said that and I'm sure it was on this thread because this is the only thread of late that deals with cigarette smoking. Just wondering why I must repeat myself.

Your only repeating yourself because people are refuting your statements but I guess what you are saying is “If I said it, it must be true”.

[poocher]

1 hour ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

I see the non smoking lobbyists are out. If you don’t like smoke stay out of the casino. Non smokers have 90% of the ships so I don’t care if the non smokers whine about it. 

And I don’t care if you smoke as long as I can avoid the area.  And I don’t gamble so I can avoid the casino but there are others who like to gamble and don’t like the smell of smoke.  You are saying stay out of the casino?  It’s not a smokers lounge, it’s a casino.  

[time4u2go]

18 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Just like there is no smoking indoors in the United States, anywhere.

This is far from true. 

 

You really should do some research before posting:

https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/factsheets/sfia/SmokeFreeIndoorAir.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States

 

There are most definitely NOT complete bans on indoor smoking in every state.

 

[dswallow]

Can we ban body odor, perfume and cologne, too?

 

Or better, how about we just put in adequate air handling/filtration in those areas that have a lot of people, smoking or not.

[davekathy]

13 hours ago, poocher said:

And I don’t care if you smoke as long as I can avoid the area.  And I don’t gamble so I can avoid the casino but there are others who like to gamble and don’t like the smell of smoke.  You are saying stay out of the casino?  It’s not a smokers lounge, it’s a casino.  

Some think the casino is a smoking lounge that allows gambling. RC should take Celebrity's lead on no inside smoking. At least RC is eliminating the connoisseur club on ships that still have it during the amplification. 

[davekathy]

5 hours ago, dswallow said:

Can we ban body odor, perfume and cologne, too?

 

Or better, how about we just put in adequate air handling/filtration in those areas that have a lot of people, smoking or not.

Use all the cologne/perfume you want, but it still doesn't mask the stench of the cigarette smell. 

[dswallow]

7 minutes ago, davekathy said:

Use all the cologne/perfume you want, but it still doesn't mask the stench of the cigarette smell. 

 

I'm getting confused now. Is it the odor, or the potential for causing lung cancer that people are objecting to about cigarettes, really? Because there's plenty of quite-objectionable odors people too-liberally use on themselves out in public that makes them stink and leaves a trail of that stink wherever they go. And for the cancer aspect, there's a whole lot of exposure needed; many seem to behave as if that one whiff they got of someone they passed in the elevator is gonna shave off 4 years from their life expectancy. The truth is more likely their incessant whining over the issue is going to shave off a lot more years before cigarette smoke has a chance to do that.

 

Good air handling/filtration will resolve almost all the legitimate complaints. Then what you're left with are the visual smoking objectors -- those who simply cannot stand seeing someone across the room smoking, even if it has absolutely no possible chance of affecting them in any way whatsoever.

[davekathy]

4 minutes ago, dswallow said:

 

I'm getting confused now. Is it the odor, or the potential for causing lung cancer that people are objecting to about cigarettes, really? Because there's plenty of quite-objectionable odors people too-liberally use on themselves out in public that makes them stink and leaves a trail of that stink wherever they go. And for the cancer aspect, there's a whole lot of exposure needed; many seem to behave as if that one whiff they got of someone they passed in the elevator is gonna shave off 4 years from their life expectancy. The truth is more likely their incessant whining over the issue is going to shave off a lot more years before cigarette smoke has a chance to do that.

 

Good air handling/filtration will resolve almost all the legitimate complaints. Then what you're left with are the visual smoking objectors -- those who simply cannot stand seeing someone across the room smoking, even if it has absolutely no possible chance of affecting them in any way whatsoever.

Only speaking only for myself (x-smoker), it's the stench of the cigarettes. 

[Sunshine3601]

5 hours ago, time4u2go said:

This is far from true. 

 

You really should do some research before posting:

https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/factsheets/sfia/SmokeFreeIndoorAir.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States

 

There are most definitely NOT complete bans on indoor smoking in every state.

 

In PA you are allowed to smoke inside at bars, except phila. I think they have to go outside which causes problems with people taking their drinks/beer bottles outside while they smoke.

[Sunshine3601]

I heard this several times in 2020, I remember seeing an interview with Dr. Oz and he said appears to be true but they dont want people to start smoking so that is why you arent hearing much about it.

https://theconversation.com/does-nicotine-protect-us-against-coronavirus-137488

[poocher]

Dr Oz 🙄🙄 now there’s an opinion I trust.

[rbell]

1 hour ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I heard this several times in 2020, I remember seeing an interview with Dr. Oz and he said appears to be true but they dont want people to start smoking so that is why you arent hearing much about it.

https://theconversation.com/does-nicotine-protect-us-against-coronavirus-137488

DR.Oz?🙄🤣

[poocher]

Works even better if you soak the cigarette in bleach first 😉