Why not 95%

[BermudaBound2014]

35 minutes ago, Karaboudjan said:

 

I don't think that being too young for a vaccine would qualify as a medical exemption.  

Doesn’t matter- unvaccinated families looking for a last minute cruise could have a religious exemption. 

[BermudaBound2014]

10 minutes ago, Fla Senior said:

Seems to me that they just don't want to sail right now.

Bingo-
or there is financial gain to be had by staying at the dock. Or there is a payout for the lawsuit. Or …..

 

We aren’t privy to any deals taking place behind the scenes. 

[BermudaBound2014]

45 minutes ago, Sue Do-Over said:

What a nightmare!

 
Yes, a hot mess express.

[coffeebean]

11 hours ago, SpainAlien said:

MSC were sailing in Europe last year with no vaccine and no outbreaks BUT everyone was tested, masked, socially distanced and had escorted port excursions, proving that it can be done it's just not what I want from a cruise although I quite like the social distancing lol

I'm on board for the social distancing......to a point. When the theater has a total of 20% of their seats filled, that is just sad, especially for the performers. Where is the energy in the room? When I can not sit at a bar in a bar stool, that is when social distancing becomes a problem for me. I enjoy that experience. When social distancing requires people to dance in the light circles on a dance floor, that is when social distancing becomes a problem for me.

 

As for masking.......no way, no how will I ever set foot on a cruise ship that makes me put a mask on. I'm fully vaccinated so that is not going to happen. I'll wait it out, how ever long it takes to have an enjoyable cruise experience.

 

NCL has been my cruise line of choice so far but they have not begun sailing from the US yet. They have already loosened their protocols at this point to include medical and religious exclusions and also for kids under 12 to sail. Bummer.

[Laszlo]

2 hours ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

Sure thing. It was posted in the NCLH holdings press release.

 

 

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd.’s Great Cruise Comeback Commences With First Sailing in 500 Days :: Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. (NCLH) (nclhltd.com)

Religious Exemptions should never be allowed. Thats what happened in 1990-1991 in Philadelphia with a Measles outbreak of unvaccinated children in a religious school (no vaccines for them). Thousands infected, 9 kids died. 

[BermudaBound2014]

5 minutes ago, coffeebean said:and also for kids under 12 to sail. Bummer.

Did you just make up this leap or do you have a link to share that specifically exempts kids under 12 (not implied as part of a medical exemption)? 

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, Sue Do-Over said:

In a community, everyone isn't elbow to elbow with everyone else 'all the time'.  The lower potential for exposure at home (alone time, fresh air, distance, shorter exposures) that cannot be assured on board.

 

As for 95% versus 100%... how'd you like to be the part-time employee at check-in explaining why HE can board unvaccinated while SHE cannot?  What if 10% or 20% turn up at the pier expecting that THEY will be accomodated?   What a nightmare!

Other cruise lines are verifying online if people are vaccinated. There are supposedly no surprises at the port. The only surprises are if someone professes that are indeed vaccinated in the online check in then show up at the port and do not have proof of vaccination for what ever reason, they are considered un-vaccinated. No ifs ands or buts.

Edited July 27, 2021 by coffeebean

[keep on cruisin]

37 minutes ago, Fla Senior said:

My key point is "no resistance from FL governor". If Carnival can sail with 95% and governor gives them no issues, then NCL can sail with 100% and also get no resistance from governor.  Seems to me that they just don't want to sail right now.

You are missing the point.   There is 100٪ resistance fro. The Florida governor.  He will not allow any verification of vaccination to be required.  So no matter what number they put out sailing out of Florida cannot be confirmed without voluntary Cooperation from the the guests.  And say 50% of the guest are not willing to show proof of vaccine.  Than they are not allowed to deny them boarding unless they show negative test. So no way to gty that they will be at any percentage until sailing.

 

[PTC DAWG]

7 minutes ago, keep on cruisin said:

You are missing the point.   There is 100٪ resistance fro. The Florida governor.  He will not allow any verification of vaccination to be required.  So no matter what number they put out sailing out of Florida cannot be confirmed without voluntary Cooperation from the the guests.  And say 50% of the guest are not willing to show proof of vaccine.  Than they are not allowed to deny them boarding unless they show negative test. So no way to gty that they will be at any percentage until sailing.

 

No, it can't be required, but if you don't produce it (proof) on Celebrity out of Florida, you don't get onboard IF it puts the ship at less than 95% Vaccinated.  The CDC has said that is fine...and it seems to be working out well.   Celebrity has control over who does and who does not board their ships.  

 

I like NCL, but they are dragging their feet on getting restarted for some reason....they could be 100% for certain out of other areas right now.  

Edited July 27, 2021 by PTC DAWG

[PTC DAWG]

14 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Other cruise lines are verifying online if people are vaccinated. There are supposedly no surprises at the port. The only surprises are if someone professes that are indeed vaccinated in the online check in then show up at the port and does not have proof of vaccination for what ever reason, they are considered un-vaccinated. No ifs ands or buts.

Exactly...I'm sailing Sunday on Equinox out of FLL...and they asked me if we were vaccinated and willing to show proof before the booking was allowed.  

[sanger727]

11 minutes ago, keep on cruisin said:

You are missing the point.   There is 100٪ resistance fro. The Florida governor.  He will not allow any verification of vaccination to be required.  So no matter what number they put out sailing out of Florida cannot be confirmed without voluntary Cooperation from the the guests.  And say 50% of the guest are not willing to show proof of vaccine.  Than they are not allowed to deny them boarding unless they show negative test. So no way to gty that they will be at any percentage until sailing.

 

Celebrity and carnival do seem to be verifying proof, Just not in the port in Florida. They ask them to provide proof ahead of the sailing. Anyone who provides proof is permitted to board. Anyone who doesn’t provide proof is bumped into the group that only gets to makeup 5% onboard. I believe they are advised ahead of time whether they can board or not and if not eligible given options to cancel. Seems to be working for them.

[RumRunner2021]

40 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

They have already loosened their protocols at this point to include medical and religious exclusions and also for kids under 12 to sail. Bummer.

They have not published anything that indicates that people with medical and religious exclusions WILL be allowed to sail.

 

They could just as easily post something on their website that says they "may" transfer ownership of the entire ship to the first person on board.  It doesn't mean it's going to happen.  🤣

[PTC DAWG]

9 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

Celebrity and carnival do seem to be verifying proof, Just not in the port in Florida. They ask them to provide proof ahead of the sailing. Anyone who provides proof is permitted to board. Anyone who doesn’t provide proof is bumped into the group that only gets to makeup 5% onboard. I believe they are advised ahead of time whether they can board or not and if not eligible given options to cancel. Seems to be working for them.

They are most certainly taking pictures for proof at Port Everglades in Florida...IF you don't provide the original CDC card etc, you are assumed non vaccinated....kids under 12 are counted in the 5%.  

 

The Edge has sailed either 3 or 4 times, at least once, it was 100% vaccinated adults.  97% is the lowest number that has been reported from on board reports.  

Edited July 27, 2021 by PTC DAWG

[sanger727]

Just now, PTC DAWG said:

They are most certainly taking pictures for proof at Port Everglades in Florida...IF you don't provide the original CDC card etc, you are assumed non vaccinated....

either way. They are asked ahead of time and not allowing more than 5% of people who don’t show a card to board. I responding to someone who claimed they don’t ask for any proof and don’t deny boarding.

[PTC DAWG]

Just now, sanger727 said:

either way. They are asked ahead of time and not allowing more than 5% of people who don’t show a card to board. I responding to someone who claimed they don’t ask for any proof and don’t deny boarding.

Fair enough....I'm ready to head to the port myself..  🙂

[graphicguy]

19 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

They are most certainly taking pictures for proof at Port Everglades in Florida...IF you don't provide the original CDC card etc, you are assumed non vaccinated....kids under 12 are counted in the 5%.  

 

The Edge has sailed either 3 or 4 times, at least once, it was 100% vaccinated adults.  97% is the lowest number that has been reported from on board reports.  

And, for Celebrity, the numbers for "unvaccinated" is about to shrink even further given everyone over the age of 12 must be vaccinated starting August 1.

 

Celebrity is asking for their proof at the time of booking.  I am vaccinated, so don't know what happens if you tell them you aren't.  But, if you are dishonest, and tell them you're vaccinated at the time of booking, and then say you're not at check in, you'll be denied boarding for lying about your medical conditions.

 

You are also asked to bring your COVID vaccine card (original) to the pier at check in.  You volunteer to show it, they scan it, along with your Passport, and you go on your merry way.  You don't show it, don't have it, claim you don't want to show it, etc, you're considered unvaccinated and subject to having to not being allowed to board if they don't have any slots available for the 5% unvaccinated.

 

The whole "can't ask for vaccine status" was doomed to fail.

 

Given the cruise lines made it quite clear with their policies about charging extra for COVID testing, mask requirements, insurance fees, limiting where the unvaccinated can go and what they can do on the ship, they were sailing with adults vaccinated.

 

Celebrity is doing this quite successfully.  Nothing the state of FL can do about it, without shutting down the industry, yet again.  Moreover, with the surge in COVOD cases FL is now experiencing with their unvaccinated citizens, I doubt you'll hear another peep about their COVID responses, or anything surrounding the cruise companies requirements for sailing with Vaccinated adults.

 

My guess is, NCL is doing something similar.  They are "claiming" 100% vaccinated cruises, but you look into it a little further and find out they are making exceptions (i.e. children).  So, they'll actually cruise somewhere just under that 100% goal (just like Celebrity).  

 

 

[coffeebean]

40 minutes ago, RumRunner2021 said:

They have not published anything that indicates that people with medical and religious exclusions WILL be allowed to sail.

 

They could just as easily post something on their website that says they "may" transfer ownership of the entire ship to the first person on board.  It doesn't mean it's going to happen.  🤣

I believe the verbiage is "may" be able to sail. Semantics. It will happen and we all know it.

[RumRunner2021]

1 minute ago, graphicguy said:

My guess is, NCL is doing something similar.  They are "claiming" 100% vaccinated cruises, but you look into it a little further and find out they are making exceptions (i.e. children).  So, they'll actually cruise somewhere just under that 100% goal (just like Celebrity).  

 

I'll believe that when we see the first credible proof (e.g. a photo of a six year old on an NCL ship) that it's happening.  If there's no proof, it didn't happen.

[RumRunner2021]

1 minute ago, coffeebean said:

I believe the verbiage is "may" be able to sail. Semantics. It will happen and we all know it.

Not really.  In the world of contracts of any kind, the words "may" and "shall" have radically different meanings.  It's not semantics in that realm, it's two words that carry entirely different meanings.

[DCGuy64]

27 minutes ago, graphicguy said:

My guess is, NCL is doing something similar.  They are "claiming" 100% vaccinated cruises, but you look into it a little further and find out they are making exceptions (i.e. children).  So, they'll actually cruise somewhere just under that 100% goal (just like Celebrity).  

Exactly, I'd say it's a case of 100% vaccinated for all those eligible to be vaccinated. Can't really blame the cruise line for kids being ineligible. I'm fine with their making exceptions, FYI.

[Seany527]

6 hours ago, PTC DAWG said:

The 95% rule seems to be working fine for Celebrity out of Florida.....

 

Sailing this Sunday...I expect no issues.  

 

Had the Joy booked, but NCL pulled the rug out from everyone earlier this summer.  

I’m also sailing Equinox on Sunday...thanks to NCL canceling the Joy. 

[twentyknots]

The 95% rule in Florida would seem to potentially cause significant problems for both passengers and crusie lines, assuming the state enforces its executive order.

Suppose 1500 persons booked a cruise departing from Florida.  Let's say 95% or 1425 noted on the health questionaire that they had been vaccinated and 75 had some other acceptable reason why they had not.  However, upon arriving at the terminal only 1200 volunteered proof of vaccination.  What happens then?

The 1200 can board for sure.  To meet the 95% rule they can only allow 63 additional passengers onboard without a wristband, for a total of 1263.  What happens to the other 237 passengers waiting to board?

 

[At Sea At Peace]

8 hours ago, david_sobe said:

I would disagree with you a bit because but its the crazy centralized state imposed law that created this.  Not her and not the cruise line.

 

So, it is the states fault that someone lied.  Really.  🤣

 

[Fla Senior]

27 minutes ago, twentyknots said:

The 95% rule in Florida would seem to potentially cause significant problems for both passengers and crusie lines, assuming the state enforces its executive order.

Suppose 1500 persons booked a cruise departing from Florida.  Let's say 95% or 1425 noted on the health questionaire that they had been vaccinated and 75 had some other acceptable reason why they had not.  However, upon arriving at the terminal only 1200 volunteered proof of vaccination.  What happens then?

The 1200 can board for sure.  To meet the 95% rule they can only allow 63 additional passengers onboard without a wristband, for a total of 1263.  What happens to the other 237 passengers waiting to board?

 

That's my point. The state is not enforcing the exec order on Carnival who is sailing with at least 95% vaccination verifications.  These verifications are made online well before sail date and again checked at the terminal. NCL could easily do same thing, but instead push this moot ruse of a lawsuit. I believe NCL has another agenda. Guess we'll find out one day.

[complawyer]

why take the chance. you might unfortunately run into someone in the 5% unvaccinated group and ruin your entire cruise.  give me 100% for security and safety concerns.