Vista Passenger reporting + covid cases/immediate masking

[Joe817]

29 minutes ago, Babr said:

I just saw the news of a downed sight-seeing plane in Alaska with Holland America passengers on board. No survivors.

 

I’m beginning to feel that this cruising season is snake bit.

That's a good way to look at it and I can relate to that. It's not fun and scary.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Joe817

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Babr said:

I just saw the news of a downed sight-seeing plane in Alaska with Holland America passengers on board. No survivors.

 

I’m beginning to feel that this cruising season is snake bit.

Not a cruise line tour, but still tragic.

[Babr]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Not a cruise line tour, but still tragic.

On top of other things going wrong for cruisers, this one went horribly, horribly wrong

[SCBarker]

Every time I hear someone saying they will wait to cruise when it gets back to how it used to be, all I can think about is all the people that have been waiting to fly again since 2001...you know...because they're waiting for it to go back to how it used to be.

[Stick93]

Why are people testing if they are vaccinated and have little or no symptoms? 

[tsj]

5 hours ago, IloveCatsandCruises said:

I’m not tsj, but I can tell you that there are signs where masks are required: dining room, marketplace (buffet), entertainment venues (lounges), casino, and elevators. It was not specifically stated for hallways, but most everyone is wearing them inside unless the are seated and eating/drinking. As I said In my original post, smoking has been delegated to the designated open decks outside. I hope that helps.

Thanks Catsandcruises, you summed it up well!

[scendro]

6 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Why are people testing if they are vaccinated and have little or no symptoms? 

Personally I am because I have family that have not been vaccinated (can’t get it yet) and would hate to expose them to it if I have it.

 

We live in Ohio and right now our COVID numbers are climbing.  I just found out last night that my cousin and her husband and daughter have COVID.  My cousin and her husband were vaccinated early on (both teachers) but there daughter who is 8 was not.  My cousin and her husband had very mild symptoms (minor cold symptoms) but their daughter got pretty sick. They found out they had COVID only after taking their daughter to the doctors (who was tested and then they were tested)  She’s doing ok now but for a few days she was really struggling.   They would never have gotten the test had their daughter not got sick because to them, they just had minor cold symptoms 

[LouChamp]

5 minutes ago, scendro said:

Personally I am because I have family that have not been vaccinated (can’t get it yet) and would hate to expose them to it if I have it.

 

We live in Ohio and right now our COVID numbers are climbing.  I just found out last night that my cousin and her husband and daughter have COVID.  My cousin and her husband were vaccinated early on (both teachers) but there daughter who is 8 was not.  My cousin and her husband had very mild symptoms (minor cold symptoms) but their daughter got pretty sick. They found out they had COVID only after taking their daughter to the doctors (who was tested and then they were tested)  She’s doing ok now but for a few days she was really struggling.   They would never have gotten the test had their daughter not got sick because to them, they just had minor cold symptoms 

my prayers for your cousin and her family and for you and yours 

[CruizinKittie40]

14 hours ago, mouche said:

 

A little more reading revealed the answer to my question about third dose, I too have RA and I'm in a flare right now, a pretty bad one. I had my 2nd dose over 3 months ago, so I'm not sure if it's because of the vaccine. I will be asking about a booster as the delta variant has me a little worried.

My cousin, who is almost 50, is in the hospital on the vent with COVID.  She was fully vaccinated.  I'm assuming she got hit particularly hard because she's on immunosuppressants for her  JA.  Be careful out there. 

[CruizinKittie40]

7 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Why are people testing if they are vaccinated and have little or no symptoms? 

...You do realize COVID positive people can spread the virus regardless of vaccination status?

[CruizinKittie40]

7 hours ago, SCBarker said:

Every time I hear someone saying they will wait to cruise when it gets back to how it used to be, all I can think about is all the people that have been waiting to fly again since 2001...you know...because they're waiting for it to go back to how it used to be.

This is a great example.  Our world has forever changed.  COVID was a literal Pandora's box and nothing will ever be the same. 

[Buckeyefrank100]

15 hours ago, Shayhooper said:

Are either of you worried that you will still test positive for the pre-cruise tests?  My understanding is even after you are recovered you can still test positive for a few months.

That is absolutely true.  Depending on the number of cycles the lab runs the PCR test through can certainly extend positive results.   I had a resident at my job get covid in July and tested positive through November.

[Buckeyefrank100]

1 hour ago, CruizinKittie40 said:

...You do realize COVID positive people can spread the virus regardless of vaccination status?

so why get the vaccine?

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

2 minutes ago, Buckeyefrank100 said:

so why get the vaccine?

 

I trust you know why.

[bafinegan]

2 minutes ago, Buckeyefrank100 said:

so why get the vaccine?

Deceases the probability that you might die if you contract covid.  Plus decreases the possibility you will even contract covid

[florida eagle]

9 hours ago, SCBarker said:

Every time I hear someone saying they will wait to cruise when it gets back to how it used to be, all I can think about is all the people that have been waiting to fly again since 2001...you know...because they're waiting for it to go back to how it used to be.

It is always how people react when things happen. 

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

6 minutes ago, bafinegan said:

Deceases the probability that you might die if you contract covid.  Plus decreases the possibility you will even contract covid

 

I think some people are expecting 100%. And we know the only two things in this life which are 100% !!

 

Tom

[bafinegan]

Just now, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

I think some people are expecting 100%. And we know the only two things in this life which are 100% !!

 

Tom

Not just expecting-but demanding perhaps?🤨

[asalligo]

9 hours ago, SCBarker said:

Every time I hear someone saying they will wait to cruise when it gets back to how it used to be, all I can think about is all the people that have been waiting to fly again since 2001...you know...because they're waiting for it to go back to how it used to be.

I do recognize that I may have seen my last cruise due to this virus and I know that I am a crochety old you know what, but boarding a cruise ship and adhering to the policies already in place before covid sometimes had me thinking that maybe I should be trying other vacations. Masks and getting my own test before cruising is just a no go for me. Cruising though once I got on the ship was amazing and I hope that experience returns. I bet before long Carnival goes to testing like Royal in the boarding process. 

[florida eagle]

2 minutes ago, bafinegan said:

Not just expecting-but demanding perhaps?🤨

When paying for something, all people have a right to be treated well. From flying to cruising.

[asalligo]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

 

"Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, CDC chief says"

 

I really think that was my only incentive to get the vaccine. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by asalligo

[asalligo]

14 minutes ago, alyssamma said:

Can you name one examples of a *vaccine* that caused long term effects? Not talking about an individual who experienced something bad, but a significant group of people who had negative long term effects from a *vaccine*?

 

There is a *huge* difference between a vaccine and a drug.

In 1998, the FDA approved RotaShield vaccine, the first vaccine to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis. Shortly after it was licensed, some infants developed intussusception (rare type of bowel obstruction that occurs when the bowel folds in on itself) after being vaccinated. At first, it was not clear if the vaccine or some other factor was causing the bowel obstructions. CDC quickly recommended that use of the vaccine be suspended and immediately started two emergency investigations to find out if receiving RotaShield vaccine was causing some of the cases of intussusception.

The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants younger than 12 months of age who normally would be at low risk for this condition.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) withdrew its recommendation to vaccinate infants with RotaShield® vaccine, and the manufacturer voluntarily withdrew RotaShield from the market in October 1999.

For more information, see the Rotavirus Vaccine (RotaShield) and Intussusception page.

[kirtihk]

2 hours ago, CruizinKittie40 said:

...You do realize COVID positive people can spread the virus regardless of vaccination status?

Everyone obviously realizes it, because the same is true for any other virus humans have been putting up since their existence.

[asalligo]

15 minutes ago, alyssamma said:

Can you name one examples of a *vaccine* that caused long term effects? Not talking about an individual who experienced something bad, but a significant group of people who had negative long term effects from a *vaccine*?

 

There is a *huge* difference between a vaccine and a drug.

From 1955 to 1963, an estimated 10-30% of polio vaccines administered in the US were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). The virus came from monkey kidney cell cultures used to make polio vaccines at that time. Most of the contamination was in the inactivated polio vaccine (IPV), but it was also found in oral polio vaccine (OPV).  After the contamination was discovered, the U.S. government established testing requirements to verify that all new lots of polio vaccines were free of SV40.

Because of research done with SV40 in animal models, there has been some concern that the virus could cause cancer in humans. However, most studies looking at the relationship between SV40 and cancers are reassuring, finding no causal association between receipt of SV40-contaminated polio vaccine and development of cancer.

[asalligo]

16 minutes ago, alyssamma said:

Can you name one examples of a *vaccine* that caused long term effects? Not talking about an individual who experienced something bad, but a significant group of people who had negative long term effects from a *vaccine*?

 

There is a *huge* difference between a vaccine and a drug.

In 1976 there was a small increased risk of a serious neurological disorder called Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) following vaccination with a swine flu vaccine. The increased risk was approximately 1 additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. When over 40 million people were vaccinated against swine flu, federal health officials decided that the possibility of an association of GBS with the vaccine, however small, necessitated stopping immunization until the issue could be explored.

The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific reviewexternal icon of this issue in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown.