Vista Passenger reporting + covid cases/immediate masking

[matymil]

1 hour ago, cybercfp said:

Boozin, I will disagree with your assumption and take that house.  Remember, unvaxxed kids had to have a PCR test before cruising.  Vaxxed adults did not.  Vaxxed adults can still be infected by and transmit the delta variant.  I think the odds are in favor of several or more vaxxed adults picking up the variant and bringing it onboard vs the kids who -- in my experience -- tend to follow the guidelines in their communities and mask up as required.

Agreed. Plus how many kids are really going to come in contact with adults that arent their parents anyway without kids camps etc.

[bdever]

Does anyone know how many cases on Vista?

 

[TNcruising02]

Carnival stock might hit a good entry level in the next few days.  This should drive the stock down a bit more.

[matymil]

5 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

I knew they wouldn’t enforce masks for the unvaccinated. Now we all have to wear them. They should’ve gone 100% vaccinated.

People can get fake vax cards pretty easily right now. Im totally on board with everyone getting tested

[OfcSupport]

5 hours ago, scendro said:

Just some observations….

 

I was on the Horizon July 24-Aug 1st.  Our Facebook group has posted over 10 cruisers on our cruise that have tested positive for COVID since they’ve returned home and many more have symptoms and are in the process of getting tested.  Everyone that posted that they or their spouse has tested positive all state that they were fully vaccinated. 
 

The Horizon was pretty packed (I heard 80% capacity) and there was no social distancing at all.  The shows, buffet, MDR, bars, comedy clubs were all packed with guests side by side.  
 

There were a good number of young kids on the ship and 99% of the time they were not wearing masks indoors (especially in the elevators).

 

In the MDR they would pack guests next to each other at the same table when there was plenty of open seats to allow for distancing and I’m sure this was because their wait staff would have too much room to cover.

 

This cruise was loaded with Casino guests and smoking was unbearable in the casino.

The ship had problems with the HVAC in many areas (buffet near Blue Iguana, the stateroom hallways on some areas, the casino) and there was inadequate cooling/ventilations. 

 

There was no active encouragement of hand washing or sanitizer use.  A few machines hear and there but no workers encouraging the use.  And of course your stateroom had that horrible bar soap that is no fun to use after day 2 because it’s a sticky slimy mess so I imagine that doesn’t encourage hand washing. 
 

The buffet was a free for all and you could serve yourselves with shared utensils (well except the bacon, cakes at lunch and the prime rib, they dolled that out).

 

I personally witnessed many guests getting off the ship and on the ship (in port) without abiding by the mask policy even when told to mask these guests ignored the staff.  I can’t imagine how the staff will have to handle mandatory masks in more areas.

 

I witnessed several guests on the ship actively coughing in the MDR and other indoor areas of the ship in front of staff and nothing was ever said.  
 

 

I was on that sailing and agree with everything you have said. 

[KmomChicago]

4 hours ago, cybercfp said:

I agree.  Delta is transmissible by vaxxed adults and I'd be willing to bet that most vaxxed adults stopped giving two s**ts about masking and some picked it up pre-cruise. Remember, unvaxxed kids needed to PCR test before the cruise, adults did not.

In defense of those of us who stopped masking after being fully vaccinated, remember that the guidance explained the masks were not primarily to prevent the wearer from becoming infected, but to prevent the wearer from transmitting infection to others.  We were never wearing them in the first place to keep ourselves from catching Covid, but rather if we sneezed or coughed, to catch most of the droplets in the mask rather than blowing them across a room at other people. 

 

So yeah, when we thought we were no longer a risk to anyone else, there seemed no reason to continue wearing it. Delta is challenging this, yes. Thinking about voluntarily picking up a rapid self test at Walgreens today before our flight to FL tomorrow. No it won't prevent us from catching it on board, but it will tell us if we are positive and asymptomatic today in which case we got a lot of canceling to do.

[Honolulu Blue]

4 hours ago, hurricane0226 said:

have to wear a mask to throw the bones in the casino, that's ok, as long as we are on a cruise.

 

C'mon, baby needs a new N95 mask! 😁

 

Slightly off topic, can any veteran of Carnival during this restart confirm or deny that masks are being sold in the gift shop?  It seems like an obvious revenue opportunity, since they're surely not giving them away (they've got 4 million luggage tags to give away instead).

[KmomChicago]

4 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

I've advised my extended family with young children to hold off going to crowded places until next year.   I am actually surprised that so many people are traveling with young kids right now with the delta variant surging.  Their choice and their risk though.

Seems most of the elementary schools are going back to in person schedules over the next few weeks, even in areas with very low vaxx rates. There is no question outbreaks will happen and these kids will bring it home.

[KmomChicago]

3 hours ago, bdever said:

Does anyone know how many cases on Vista?

 

 

I don't know if they will release the numbers, but all Carnival revenue cruises now sailing are in CDC yellow status, which means enough cases to warrant a CDC investigation. There are 5 ships, Mardi Gras, Horizon, Vista, Miracle, and Breeze, all sailing with passengers and all in yellow status. 

 

There are even some crew only vessels, i.e. not yet ready or cleared for restart, in monitored status meaning there is at least one case onboard. Some of the RCI ships on simulated sailings are also in orange, monitored status, again meaning at least one case is onboard. 

 

It's not clear precisely what the threshold level is between one case and some higher number of cases or percentage of pax, to reach investigation level (yellow). 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

Same for all Celebrity cruises, the one Princess revenue cruise out now, the one Holland America, the couple of RCI's.  

 

There are even several crew only ships out there, no guests yet, in orange or even yellow status. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

[KmomChicago]

3 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

Carnival stock might hit a good entry level in the next few days.  This should drive the stock down a bit more.

 

I'm ready to watch it for a week or so and then jump when I think we are in the valley,.

[ajm]

6 hours ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Perfect.  I hope you have a wonderful cruise!

My Dh is immune compromised and has been talking about getting himself a 3rd shot even though his doc hasn't said to do it yet.

I am immune compromised as well and my doctor advised me to hold off for now until they know more.  In my case, I take medication to suppress my immune system and they don't want a booster shot to result in firing up the immune system.  I expect soon we will get approved for the booster.

[bafinegan]

42 minutes ago, ajm said:

I am immune compromised as well and my doctor advised me to hold off for now until they know more.  In my case, I take medication to suppress my immune system and they don't want a booster shot to result in firing up the immune system.  I expect soon we will get approved for the booster.

FYI, I am currently in the study testing Pfizer's booster shot ( I was in the original study testing Pfizer's vaccine last year).  I was told it should be out in the next couple months.  The booster covers the Delta ( and other ) variants.  Pretty sure I got the vaccine and not the placebo because I had "the reaction".  It was mild, but definately a reaction.

[Saint Greg]

4 hours ago, matymil said:

People can get fake vax cards pretty easily right now. Im totally on board with everyone getting tested

fine. Vaccinated and tested. If you do both you don’t need a mask. But bringing up testing 72 hours from embarkation can be a logistical nightmare for people who already made travel plans if the port city can’t handle thousands and thousands and thousands of tests.

[naxer]

This was going to happen.  Now let's see how the protocols work, and what changes need to be made to them.  In so many areas, I'm accepting that this will probably be our life for the next couple of years.  A pandemic like this doesn't just "end"--it's a matter of learning to live with it, taking the precautions when they're warranted, and developing treatments and protocols.  I'm grateful for the vaccine that so measurably lessens symptoms and the need for hospitalization.  

Edited August 5, 2021 by naxer

[SheSailsFL]

10 hours ago, Tnlynch81 said:

You mean all those kids who had to be tested prior to getting on the ship... 

that test only proves they weren’t positive at that moment.  Many just flew to the port, and would not likely test positive for several days. 

[scendro]

10 hours ago, kleibo said:

 

Do they mostly have mild symptoms?  All Vaxxed?

 

From My initial post -I was on the Horizon July 24-Aug 1st.  Our Facebook group has posted over 10 cruisers on our cruise that have tested positive for COVID since they’ve returned home and many more have symptoms and are in the process of getting tested.  Everyone that posted that they or their spouse has tested positive ALL state that they were fully vaccinated. 
 

Yes they have symptoms and yes they are vaxxed.  Feel free to join our FB group to get more details as they are posting their symptoms etc. 

[Thenagers]

9 hours ago, JohnMI said:

I am so very curious about WHY they tested people who were "vaccinated passengers with little or no symptoms."  It would only make sense to test them if they were known exposed to someone else who tested positive.  So, did they have one passenger who WAS symptomatic -- who got tested and was positive -- so they then did some contact tracing basically?

 

Again, I'm just curious how it got to the point were several vaccinated passengers who sound like they were pretty much asymptomatic were tested for some reason...

I know on Celebrity edge last week they discovered it when 1 vaccinated passenger got sick/had symptoms.  Once they tested positive, the contact tracing/testing kicked in.  It is required of all non-vaccinated to be tested before debark but also remember vaccinated flying back to other countries are being tested before debark as well. There are a lot of ways that cases can be found.  

[Thenagers]

4 hours ago, Honolulu Blue said:

 

C'mon, baby needs a new N95 mask! 😁

 

Slightly off topic, can any veteran of Carnival during this restart confirm or deny that masks are being sold in the gift shop?  It seems like an obvious revenue opportunity, since they're surely not giving them away (they've got 4 million luggage tags to give away instead).

I am not sure about Carnival, but RCL gave away disposable masks.  We had 2 in our cabin at embarkment and could get more from guest services or from our cabin steward. I accidently forgot mine in the room and a cabin steward gave me one off his cart so I did not have to go back to the room.  I really appreciated this because I had one of the aft cabins that are far from the elevators!

[EngIceDave]

6 minutes ago, Thenagers said:

I am not sure about Carnival, but RCL gave away disposable masks.  We had 2 in our cabin at embarkment and could get more from guest services or from our cabin steward. I accidently forgot mine in the room and a cabin steward gave me one off his cart so I did not have to go back to the room.  I really appreciated this because I had one of the aft cabins that are far from the elevators!

 

 

Vegas has dispensers on a stick

 

Think of a napkin holder on a stick with blue paper masks

[Thenagers]

2 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

 

 

Vegas has dispensers on a stick

 

Think of a napkin holder on a stick with blue paper masks

At least all the RCL masks are invividually wrapped.  Not sure I would want to use one that you pulled out of dispenser?  

[richfret]

OK, so nobody go on a cruise.  Instead, you could fly to another state and book a hotel where someone may have slept who had had the virus.  Then you take a cab for a breakfast.  After that you go shopping.  Then it's off to a ball game.  Then supper in a restaurant.  Maybe see a movie and finally end the evening in a bar.  Now you don't have to worry about the virus.  If only people could understand.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

12 hours ago, Tnlynch81 said:

You mean all those kids who had to be tested prior to getting on the ship... 

 

A few weeks ago I (vaccinated in January) started with mild symptoms on a Monday. I had a fever on Wednesday and went to a walk-in after work. I received a negative rapid test, and they sent out a PCR test as well. Fever continued, and on Friday I was called with the PCR results ... negative also. Within 20 minutes I was back at the walk-in and got another rapid test... positive.

 

Testing is not perfect! Neither is the vaccine - but, like American Express, "Don't leave home without it"!

 

Now, if Carnival wants to sequester everyone in hotels following testing, and wait another couple of weeks, test them again ---- then they can all be let loose on the ship. Short of that, Delta will sneak onboard, and probably will anyway...

 

Tom

[KmomChicago]

4 minutes ago, richfret said:

OK, so nobody go on a cruise.  Instead, you could fly to another state and book a hotel where someone may have slept who had had the virus.  Then you take a cab for a breakfast.  After that you go shopping.  Then it's off to a ball game.  Then supper in a restaurant.  Maybe see a movie and finally end the evening in a bar.  Now you don't have to worry about the virus.  If only people could understand.

True but catching the virus on land vs on a ship which means more complications. No one on your land vacation is mandating that you prove you’re uninfected and then forcing you to quarantine or sending you home. You are mostly still in control on an independent vacation. Not to mention being physically in your own country.

Edited August 5, 2021 by KmomChicago

[lobster1313]

3 hours ago, ajm said:

I am immune compromised as well and my doctor advised me to hold off for now until they know more.  In my case, I take medication to suppress my immune system and they don't want a booster shot to result in firing up the immune system.  I expect soon we will get approved for the booster.

I am also and received the J&J the first week of March.  The original plan was for me to get a Phizer booster in June and then at my Dr's appointment last week I was told to get the 2nd Phizer.   

[KmomChicago]

4 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

A few weeks ago I (vaccinated in January) started with mild symptoms on a Monday. I had a fever on Wednesday and went to a walk-in after work. I received a negative rapid test, and they sent out a PCR test as well. Fever continued, and on Friday I was called with the PCR results ... negative also. Within 20 minutes I was back at the walk-in and got another rapid test... positive.

 

Testing is not perfect! Neither is the vaccine - but, like American Express, "Don't leave home without it"!

 

Now, if Carnival wants to sequester everyone in hotels following testing, and wait another couple of weeks, test them again ---- then they can all be let loose on the ship. Short of that, Delta will sneak onboard, and probably will anyway...

 

Tom

Obviously is on all the sailings.