Vista Passenger reporting + covid cases/immediate masking

[bdever]

7 hours ago, KmomChicago said:

 

I don't know if they will release the numbers, but all Carnival revenue cruises now sailing are in CDC yellow status, which means enough cases to warrant a CDC investigation. There are 5 ships, Mardi Gras, Horizon, Vista, Miracle, and Breeze, all sailing with passengers and all in yellow status. 

 

There are even some crew only vessels, i.e. not yet ready or cleared for restart, in monitored status meaning there is at least one case onboard. Some of the RCI ships on simulated sailings are also in orange, monitored status, again meaning at least one case is onboard. 

 

It's not clear precisely what the threshold level is between one case and some higher number of cases or percentage of pax, to reach investigation level (yellow). 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

Same for all Celebrity cruises, the one Princess revenue cruise out now, the one Holland America, the couple of RCI's.  

 

There are even several crew only ships out there, no guests yet, in orange or even yellow status. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

Ugh 😣 Panorama is orange and it’s crew only. 

[lobster1313]

3 minutes ago, bdever said:

Ugh 😣 Panorama is orange and it’s crew only. 

I wouldn’t stress. Orange is better than yellow and it could have just been a false positive.

[bdever]

7 hours ago, ajm said:

I am immune compromised as well and my doctor advised me to hold off for now until they know more.  In my case, I take medication to suppress my immune system and they don't want a booster shot to result in firing up the immune system.  I expect soon we will get approved for the booster.

Me too. The first 2 doses caused a flair but the booster was wonderful. I stopped taking my medication a week before and a week after my booster.

[tytanbri]

11 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

Carnival stock might hit a good entry level in the next few days.  This should drive the stock down a bit more.

I am shocked but it seems to be driving it higher. So far today it is up $1.28 to $22.33. Maybe the feeling is that the additional testing and masks may prevent any further shutdown. Who knows?

[TNcruising02]

5 minutes ago, tytanbri said:

I am shocked but it seems to be driving it higher. So far today it is up $1.28 to $22.33. Maybe the feeling is that the additional testing and masks may prevent any further shutdown. Who knows?

All of the travel stocks are going up today since they have been crashing lately.  We will see what happens in the next few weeks.  If the cruises have a lot of success with the new requirements, that will help a lot.

[pogoism9]

41 minutes ago, bdever said:

Ugh 😣 Panorama is orange and it’s crew only. 

 

I wouldn't worry, all the ships are going to go orange/yellow once they enter service anyway. No way to stop positives from appearing. I would only worry if a ship turns red.

[FiremedicMike151]

16 hours ago, scendro said:

Just some observations….

 

I was on the Horizon July 24-Aug 1st.  Our Facebook group has posted over 10 cruisers on our cruise that have tested positive for COVID since they’ve returned home and many more have symptoms and are in the process of getting tested.  Everyone that posted that they or their spouse has tested positive all state that they were fully vaccinated. 
 

The Horizon was pretty packed (I heard 80% capacity) and there was no social distancing at all.  The shows, buffet, MDR, bars, comedy clubs were all packed with guests side by side.  
 

There were a good number of young kids on the ship and 99% of the time they were not wearing masks indoors (especially in the elevators).

 

In the MDR they would pack guests next to each other at the same table when there was plenty of open seats to allow for distancing and I’m sure this was because their wait staff would have too much room to cover.

 

This cruise was loaded with Casino guests and smoking was unbearable in the casino.

The ship had problems with the HVAC in many areas (buffet near Blue Iguana, the stateroom hallways on some areas, the casino) and there was inadequate cooling/ventilations. 

 

There was no active encouragement of hand washing or sanitizer use.  A few machines hear and there but no workers encouraging the use.  And of course your stateroom had that horrible bar soap that is no fun to use after day 2 because it’s a sticky slimy mess so I imagine that doesn’t encourage hand washing. 
 

The buffet was a free for all and you could serve yourselves with shared utensils (well except the bacon, cakes at lunch and the prime rib, they dolled that out).

 

I personally witnessed many guests getting off the ship and on the ship (in port) without abiding by the mask policy even when told to mask these guests ignored the staff.  I can’t imagine how the staff will have to handle mandatory masks in more areas.

 

I witnessed several guests on the ship actively coughing in the MDR and other indoor areas of the ship in front of staff and nothing was ever said.  
 

 

From a glass is half-full perspective.

 

All those people on that boat (I'm guessing around 3,000?), smashed up against each other, breathing the same air inside the MDR, touching the same utensils..

 

Only 10 tested positive, and delta is 6 times more infectious than the original strain.

 

To be honest, I'd say that's pretty freaking remarkable.

 

[BoozinCroozin]

1 hour ago, Tnlynch81 said:

Could the issues on the ships have started with the 5%... yes of course. Could there be false negatives on the 2 tests required before being allowed on the ship... yes. Could the unvaccinated have been infected on their way to the port and not yet test positive...absolutely. The point is that those that point fingers and to go as far  as bet their house that this started  with the unvaccinated children is a very naive and self serving way of thinking. Now that everyone has to get a test prior to boarding I would love to see the amount of vaccinated denied boarding because of positive tests.

Not true. If the cruise is 100% vaccinated, there would be no testing at all. Vaccinated people show almost no signs of covid. The people tested and saying they are positive are being tested because of contact tracing, not because they are sick or showing symptoms. You won't see someone post .. Sorry my 6yo had covid on the ship. People are hiding that do they don't get ridiculed for recording people. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by BoozinCroozin

[firefly333]

1 minute ago, FiremedicMike151 said:

From a glass is half-full perspective.

 

All those people on that boat (I'm guessing around 3,000?), smashed up against each other, breathing the same air inside the MDR, touching the same utensils..

 

Only 10 tested positive, and delta is 6 times more infectious than the original strain.

 

To be honest, I'd say that's pretty freaking remarkable.

 

Even better no one has gotten really ill from covid who cruised. Few minor symptoms reported so far. Havent seen anyone who was hospitalized. That's what we dont need. These minor cases and handling them is good PR.

[Brew12]

1 minute ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Not true. If the cruise is 100% unvaccinated, there would be no testing at all. Vaccinated people show almost no signs of covid. The people tested and saying they are positive are being tested because of contact tracing, not because they are sick or showing symptoms. 

This isn't quite true either. Odds are pretty good that even on a 100% vaccinated cruise that people would develop symptoms. Especially if a significant number of passengers were vaccinated with J&J or over 4 months ago. 

I do agree that testing otherwise healthy individuals is making this look worse than it actually is, but I'm not sure there is a reasonable option not to test.

[firefly333]

2 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Not true. If the cruise is 100% vaccinated, there would be no testing at all. Vaccinated people show almost no signs of covid. The people tested and saying they are positive are being tested because of contact tracing, not because they are sick or showing symptoms. 

Some are being tested because they said they had cold like symptoms .. like the first celebrity edge guy. Minor symptoms but some, and he went to medical and self reported.

 

There are other cases like this I've read.

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Not true. If the cruise is 100% unvaccinated, there would be no testing at all. Vaccinated people show almost no signs of covid. The people tested and saying they are positive are being tested because of contact tracing, not because they are sick or showing symptoms. 

Bull. If 100% unvaccinated, cruise lines would be bankrupt. Some vaccinated people have symptoms, some are in hospitals and some DIE.

[firefly333]

3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Bull. If 100% unvaccinated, cruise lines would be bankrupt. Some vaccinated people have symptoms, some are in hospitals and some DIE.

I'm guessing spellcheck did that and he meant if cruises were 100% vaccinated there would be no testing .. at least that's how I read it. 

[Tnlynch81]

10 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Not true. If the cruise is 100% vaccinated, there would be no testing at all. Vaccinated people show almost no signs of covid. The people tested and saying they are positive are being tested because of contact tracing, not because they are sick or showing symptoms. You won't see someone post .. Sorry my 6yo had covid on the ship. People are hiding that do they don't get ridiculed for recording people. 

Again you are off base with your assumptions. There was testing and cases on board ships amongst crew that were required to quarantine and be 98% vaccinated. The ship could have been 100% vaccinated but I will stick with 98% because I can't be sure and won't assume. 

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'm guessing spellcheck did that and he meant if cruises were 100% vaccinated there would be no testing .. at least that's how I read it. 

There would still be testing and his statement was still untrue. Vaccinated or not, if you go to the infirmary on a ship with symptoms that could be covid, they are going to test you.

[TNcruising02]

12 minutes ago, Brew12 said:

This isn't quite true either. Odds are pretty good that even on a 100% vaccinated cruise that people would develop symptoms. Especially if a significant number of passengers were vaccinated with J&J or over 4 months ago. 

I do agree that testing otherwise healthy individuals is making this look worse than it actually is, but I'm not sure there is a reasonable option not to test.

The positive cases will show up more on a cruise with some unvaccinated people since it is mandatory that the unvaccinated passengers have a covid test before returning to their home port. If the cruise was 100% vaccinated, there would be no mandatory testing before arriving at the home port.  

[snowballs mom]

36 minutes ago, tytanbri said:

I am shocked but it seems to be driving it higher. So far today it is up $1.28 to $22.33. Maybe the feeling is that the additional testing and masks may prevent any further shutdown. Who knows?

It's been hovering in the low twenties for a while now. I will be helping my daughter buy 100 shares once we she gets her Roth account set up.

[Brew12]

15 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

The positive cases will show up more on a cruise with some unvaccinated people since it is mandatory that the unvaccinated passengers have a covid test before returning to their home port. If the cruise was 100% vaccinated, there would be no mandatory testing before arriving at the home port.  

Agreed, which is why I think the current testing policy makes it look worse. You would still have testing of symptomatic cases and then contact tracing even with 100% vaccinations.

[tm_aw_love]

35 minutes ago, Brew12 said:

This isn't quite true either. Odds are pretty good that even on a 100% vaccinated cruise that people would develop symptoms. Especially if a significant number of passengers were vaccinated with J&J or over 4 months ago. 

I do agree that testing otherwise healthy individuals is making this look worse than it actually is, but I'm not sure there is a reasonable option not to test.

Agree...

Based on the reports that are coming out from the cruise lines, the bulk of the positive tests seem to be in vaccinated individuals. Placing 100% of the blame on the 'unvaccinated kids' seems less likely when you consider that not only are they tested multiple times with different testing methods; but, COVID has an incubation period, meaning that it is likely that the positives onboard were likely 'exposed' pre-cruise.  But it is far easier to blame the kids. 

[BlerkOne]

24 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

The positive cases will show up more on a cruise with some unvaccinated people since it is mandatory that the unvaccinated passengers have a covid test before returning to their home port. If the cruise was 100% vaccinated, there would be no mandatory testing before arriving at the home port.  

Crew is still regularly tested. B2B cruisers are mandatory tested. etc.

[BoozinCroozin]

48 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Bull. If 100% unvaccinated, cruise lines would be bankrupt. Some vaccinated people have symptoms, some are in hospitals and some DIE.

Auto correct. I edited to vaccinated 😀

[Qchell]

15 hours ago, Brew12 said:

I wouldn't travel without Covid covered insurance right now. The risk is too high imo. If you would have non insurable issues (such as missing time at work) I would agree rethinking travel is a good idea. 

There are still a number of pages to this thread, so it may have been said already, but I totally agree, this is NOT the time to travel without additional travel insurance.  If one is traveling they should look for policies that cover the virus AND allow you to cancel for any reason.  Right now with the world so topsy turvy that little bit extra on the front end could save you a fortune on the back end. 

 

[mayleeman]

N95 masks are available. Got these 2 days ago on Amazon. Made by a reputable company and seem of very high quality. Foldable, individually wrapped. Lots of reviews focus on elastic is a bit tight but long enough excess to pull more through the staple (as much as another 1/2 to 1 inch). 

 

 

[cscurlock]

I think Carnival thought that if they had the 95% threshold they could let the rules slide with regards to the virus.  If it was the original virus that is probably true.   But as it mutates it becomes a more effective killer and the safeguards you thought were going to work before will not work in the future.  With this variant we are seeing that. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by cscurlock

[WhaleTailFlCruiser]

Positive cases were always going to happen, Now we see if Carnivals protocols work or not and how well.