Tatka Posted February 27, 2023 #201 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, UnregisteredUser said: Atleast for us buying from Royals European website they are included, but specified and not able to deselect when booking a cruise. (Of course it is possible on ship to remove them but not when buying, need to be prepaid in full) I mean without dis-selection. Without option to opt out. So whatever RCI needs to pay workers - customer facing or not - would be included and forgotten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJoefromKokomo Posted February 27, 2023 #202 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Tatka said: I mean without dis-selection. Without option to opt out. So whatever RCI needs to pay workers - customer facing or not - would be included and forgotten. I agree 100%. Also the whole system with one price advertised and then a mandatory tip (exluded) made me confused in the beginning. Drink price at 14$ + 18%tip? Then IMHO it isn't $14 but $16.52. Same thing with DBP at $72 + 18%, why even advertise it at the lower prise when the real price you have to pay is $84.96? But I am used to it now but it still doesn't make sense to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglovestocruise Posted February 27, 2023 #203 Share Posted February 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tatka said: I mean without dis-selection. Without option to opt out. So whatever RCI needs to pay workers - customer facing or not - would be included and forgotten. Bingo ! Bump the fares up and charge everyone. Only way to get the opt out to pay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted February 27, 2023 #204 Share Posted February 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, taglovestocruise said: Bingo ! Bump the fares up and charge everyone. Only way to get the opt out to pay. The opt out that you mention pay in cash if you read the threads. Most report tipping much more than the auto grats. You should not assume otherwise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry Eyes Posted February 28, 2023 #205 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Tatka said: I really, really wish RCI includes autogratuities into their fare at this point. I know it is a tax issue, but still... All discussions about it will be gone. That would not end tipping discussions. People would discuss tipping above what was included in the fare. People would discuss whether service suffered once crew knew tips were not at risk. People would discuss whether the money really goes to crew… or the crew members they want their money to go to. People would discuss this new policy compared to other cruiselines and the old way. If you don’t want to read tipping threads, you’ll have to stop yourself from reading tipping threads 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseboy89130 Posted February 28, 2023 #206 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, rolloman said: Please share your source? I gave a source who says they can (albiet a non-royal cruise line). Seems you can't get the point - your source didn't say what you claim they said - but you just twist it the way you want it to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseboy89130 Posted February 28, 2023 #207 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 hours ago, DaKahuna said: So how would that work when they are charged to your account on a daily basis and two days before the end of your cruise you are charged for that day and the last day since they close billing the night before the last day (e.g. on day 6 we were charged for gratuities for day 6 and day 8, on day 7 we were charged for day 7 and on day 8 we were not charged for daily gratuties)? Just cruious what you have gotten refunded back to your account when you remove them the last night? 100% is reversed back within a few hours or as you leave the ship - depending when you remove it👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgmn Posted February 28, 2023 #208 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 1:17 PM, cello56 said: If the cruise lines started including gratuities then we would be having a discussion on how cheap some folks are to not give the staff an 'extra' tip above and beyond the included gratuities? I agree. Though I'm in favour of included gratuities, I'll bet a good percentage of pax will feel they should tip on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uvadover Posted February 28, 2023 #209 Share Posted February 28, 2023 The good news is that everyone who declines the auto-gratuities comes on this board to boast how they over-tip, in cash, to all of the support staff, seen or unseen during the cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #210 Share Posted February 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, uvadover said: The good news is that everyone who declines the auto-gratuities comes on this board to boast how they over-tip, in cash, to all of the support staff, seen or unseen during the cruise. I've never read anyone who tips cash say they give a dime to the unseen support staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyancho Posted February 28, 2023 #211 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Here is what I want to know. I leave the auto tips on. But I also tip extra in the form of cash . My choice. In the days before auto tip the steward would leave a certain amount of envelopes in the room. I think 4. Fill them up. Pass them out. Easy. Now the steward leaves just one envelope. Who is that supposed to be for? Himself? Does he not care for his fellow sailors? Does he just like to see me have go to the pursers desk to get more? What is his intention? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseboy89130 Posted February 28, 2023 #212 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, joeyancho said: Here is what I want to know. I leave the auto tips on. But I also tip extra in the form of cash . My choice. In the days before auto tip the steward would leave a certain amount of envelopes in the room. I think 4. Fill them up. Pass them out. Easy. Now the steward leaves just one envelope. Who is that supposed to be for? Himself? Does he not care for his fellow sailors? Does he just like to see me have go to the pursers desk to get more? What is his intention? Totally agree! The envelope shortage has to end! I suggest you buy a 100 pack and slide 10 under each door of the cabins around you!👌 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted February 28, 2023 #213 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 11:12 AM, soremekun said: I would think it's a low number. Perhaps 3-5%. Agree, I do not think it is a large number. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucfan2 Posted February 28, 2023 #214 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, fredmdcruisers said: Most report tipping much more than the auto grats. You should not assume otherwise. That’s funny. Rough guess? About the same percentage of adults who still believe in Santa. Edited February 28, 2023 by bucfan2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #215 Share Posted February 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said: Agree, I do not think it is a large number. It's 10 to 15%. Crew members have quoted those numbers to multiple people on multiple occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube1982 Posted February 28, 2023 #216 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just found out oasis is starting the once a day cleaning on 3/12....I sail on 4/2....I can tell you for sure that I'll be in the percentage that removes tips. Raising tips for less service? I'm on vacation not a charity mission trip. Sorry not sorry 🤷🏻♂️ 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted February 28, 2023 #217 Share Posted February 28, 2023 The crew member is made aware of what, how and when they are bring paid. They accepted the job on those terms, just like people do when accepting a job on land. The tips are part of the system the cruise industry came up with to use cruise passengers' money to pad their employee's salary. Just like restaurants in the US It would be less stressful for all of us, if your add the cost of the automatic tips to the cost of the cruise determine that is the true cost. Go on the cruise and enjoy yourself and not obsess over how the cruise line and the the workers deal with the tipping system. You will know that you contributed to that system and provided your share even if you may not agree with it, it is really none of our business. You probably don’t obsess over how employees get paid at the supermarket, doctors office, AC technicians, car mechanics etc. why stress over it for your vacation, it is what it is. If someone provides services that are over and above, you can reward them with some additional cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted February 28, 2023 #218 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I’d like that those who remove auto tips to do it on embarkation day VS the last night. I’ve seen it noted here on CC that they are concerned because they are concerned that they will get lesser quality service. If one is removing it preemptively in their minds before boarding the ship, then do it on boarding day. Go right to GS before the line is long. Instead of waiting to the last day. Do it on day one, and own it. Maybe RC will learn something from this action as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #219 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Vibe said: The crew member is made aware of what, how and when they are bring paid. They accepted the job on those terms, just like people do when accepting a job on land. The tips are part of the system the cruise industry came up with to use cruise passengers' money to pad their employee's salary. Just like restaurants in the US It would be less stressful for all of us, if your add the cost of the automatic tips to the cost of the cruise determine that is the true cost. Go on the cruise and enjoy yourself and not obsess over how the cruise line and the the workers deal with the tipping system. You will know that you contributed to that system and provided your share even if you may not agree with it, it is really none of our business. You probably don’t obsess over how employees get paid at the supermarket, doctors office, AC technicians, car mechanics etc. why stress over it for your vacation, it is what it is. If someone provides services that are over and above, you can reward them with some additional cash. I'm not stressing over it and never have. I don't care. At all. LOL. I tip who I see who actually does something for me (like on land) after that I move on. The rest is not my problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #220 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Vibe said: The crew member is made aware of what, how and when they are bring paid. They accepted the job on those terms, just like people do when accepting a job on land. The tips are part of the system the cruise industry came up with to use cruise passengers' money to pad their employee's salary. Just like restaurants in the US It would be less stressful for all of us, if your add the cost of the automatic tips to the cost of the cruise determine that is the true cost. Go on the cruise and enjoy yourself and not obsess over how the cruise line and the the workers deal with the tipping system. You will know that you contributed to that system and provided your share even if you may not agree with it, it is really none of our business. You probably don’t obsess over how employees get paid at the supermarket, doctors office, AC technicians, car mechanics etc. why stress over it for your vacation, it is what it is. If someone provides services that are over and above, you can reward them with some additional cash. It really is none of your business how and when others tip. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted February 28, 2023 #221 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Ryder101 said: I'm not stressing over it and never have. I don't care. At all. LOL. I tip who I see who actually does something for me (like on land) after that I move on. The rest is not my problem. Doing that still disrupts the tipping system that it in place. Someone is getting screwed out of compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted February 28, 2023 #222 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Ryder101 said: It really is none of your business how and when others tip. LOL. It kinda is my business because the cheap people that remove their tips cause the cruise line to raise that daily tip amount for the people that go with the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #223 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said: I’d like that those who remove auto tips to do it on embarkation day VS the last night. I’ve seen it noted here on CC that they are concerned because they are concerned that they will get lesser quality service. If one is removing it preemptively in their minds before boarding the ship, then do it on boarding day. Go right to GS before the line is long. Instead of waiting to the last day. Do it on day one, and own it. Maybe RC will learn something from this action as well. I truly believe more remove on day one to begin with. Probably because they don't ever want it on their credit card for even a few days. For crew to than give less service would be shooting themselves in the foot. Up until the last day there is the chance of getting cash tips out of people's pockets, and they are fully aware of that possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted February 28, 2023 #224 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Biker, who wonders if Thor is grinning at all these tipping threads or returned under a new name. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder101 Posted February 28, 2023 #225 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vibe said: Doing that still disrupts the tipping system that it in place. Someone is getting screwed out of compensation. I don't care. LOL. It's not my problem. And it's set up with the expectation that a certain % won't be participating. It disrupts nothing. They know it will happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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