not-enough-cruising Posted March 19, 2023 #26 Share Posted March 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Well almost. They are not Teamsters. The port workers are longshoreman. True 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted March 19, 2023 #27 Share Posted March 19, 2023 What a scam. These guys make good wages, and when you consider the number of cabins that they get $2-5 a cruise, all of this NOT part of their wages- since they would not really be part of the group that has to include tips as wages- the extra thousand or so a week they get is not taxed at all. I'll be carrying on my luggage until I'm not physically able to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basenji56 Posted March 19, 2023 #28 Share Posted March 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Well almost. They are not Teamsters. The port workers are longshoreman. Stream "On the Waterfront." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted March 19, 2023 #29 Share Posted March 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Well almost. They are not Teamsters. The port workers are longshoreman. That’s what I was thinking. but he’s not wrong. It’s hard to sack a teamster. #retiredteamster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted March 19, 2023 #30 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said: Who gets upset about people carrying on their own luggage? I have always carried mine on, and if I am upsetting people by minding my own business, then I guess I am having a better start to my cruises than I thought. 🤣 There are plenty of posts who complain about people dragging their luggage all over the ship when boarding. Or slowing down the lines because of their luggage (and it's not them- there are people who have real issues that slow the security line down- who I very much give a break to). They also complain about the people getting off the ship that their carried luggage takes up so much space (which it doesn't). The issue isn't about being cheap, it's about keeping track of all of my luggage. After we lost two items for 2 weeks from a snowstorm, we just bring carry on's for flying. And when our luggage arrived in our cabin really late, we decided the same thing for cruises. That was about 25 years ago for flights, over 40 cruises ago. Edited March 19, 2023 by alfaeric 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted March 19, 2023 #31 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, alfaeric said: What a scam. These guys make good wages, and when you consider the number of cabins that they get $2-5 a cruise, all of this NOT part of their wages- since they would not really be part of the group that has to include tips as wages- the extra thousand or so a week they get is not taxed at all. I'll be carrying on my luggage until I'm not physically able to. Tips are taxed. Now are they honest about what they say they make a week in tips. I’d say not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted March 19, 2023 #32 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, alfaeric said: since they would not really be part of the group that has to include tips as wages- the extra thousand or so a week they get is not taxed at all. Why is that? I'm not disagreeing...I'm just curious why they wouldn't have to pay income tax on tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted March 19, 2023 #33 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, time4u2go said: Why is that? I'm not disagreeing...I'm just curious why they wouldn't have to pay income tax on tips. He’s incorrect. Tips are taxed. Like every one else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted March 19, 2023 #34 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, time4u2go said: Why is that? I'm not disagreeing...I'm just curious why they wouldn't have to pay income tax on tips. They are not in an industry where it's a normal part of their wages, like food workers. So IF they report it, it's all on them (and I would applaud that). But given the shakedown at the port, I doubt most do- it's cash and there's no receipt to back up that they should get a tip. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loman Posted March 19, 2023 #35 Share Posted March 19, 2023 We bring two pieces of luggage . I hand the porter 5 bucks and ask him to staple the tags onto them. He seems happy when i ask him to hold the fiver while i dig out the tags.🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted March 19, 2023 #36 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Cruise5life said: He’s incorrect. Tips are taxed. Like every one else. Tips are taxed, sure. If there are records and it's expected as part of the industry. But this isn't the restaurant industry where there's any record that they would get any tips. And it's also not an industry where tips are nominally considered part of their income. So if they report it, it's all on them. And given the cash and the lack of records, I doubt most do report it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jean87510 Posted March 19, 2023 #37 Share Posted March 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said: Who gets upset about people carrying on their own luggage? I have always carried mine on, and if I am upsetting people by minding my own business, then I guess I am having a better start to my cruises than I thought. 🤣 As long as you don't block places to walk in the WJ, I'm cool with that. I think that's what people object to. Hard to steer scooters, wheelchairs and strollers around suitcases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted March 19, 2023 #38 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 minute ago, alfaeric said: Tips are taxed, sure. If there are records and it's expected as part of the industry. But this isn't the restaurant industry where there's any record that they would get any tips. And it's also not an industry where tips are nominally considered part of their income. So if they report it, it's all on them. And given the cash and the lack of records, I doubt most do report it. Actually it is an industry that tips are involved. People have been tipping bell men, porters, valet drivers and others not in the Resturant industry for years. No records there. If you tip a waiter cash it’s the same thing. just because they don’t claim the tips doesn’t mean they shouldn’t and aren’t taxed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDawg Posted March 19, 2023 #39 Share Posted March 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Well almost. They are not Teamsters. The port workers are longshoreman. What's in a name; "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted March 19, 2023 #40 Share Posted March 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Cruise5life said: He’s incorrect. Tips are taxed. Like every one else. Jokingly, if declared. The question how many do declare. In restaurants most of the time the grats are part of the bill being charged to a CC and there is some sort of a trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted March 19, 2023 #41 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) Hard to argue that when "mob" families ran things, there was a little more efficiency. Some things were tolerated, some things were dealt with immediately. Las Vegas was better for the little guy, Allied forces invasion of Sicily, prohibition ended because of these folks, luggage made it onto the ship quicker. Edited March 19, 2023 by klfrodo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise5life Posted March 19, 2023 #42 Share Posted March 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, nelblu said: Jokingly, if declared. The question how many do declare. In restaurants most of the time the grats are part of the bill being charged to a CC and there is some sort of a trail. Not jokingly at all for sure not everyone declares there tips. My point is it’s not just the Resturant industry and not everyone pays with a CC but many do. The IRS for sure knows what industry tips and which don’t. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted March 19, 2023 #43 Share Posted March 19, 2023 My Father was a Longshoreman (ILA) and was forced to retire due to illness. A couple of years after he retired, the Union in the new contract won a guaranteed annual wage due to the introduction of containers. The initial amount was nothing to sneeze about. He also, had to pay $1,000 to be recognized by the Stevedores that basically ran the ports. Remember being quite upset as that was basically the entire family savings. However, the payback was rewarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SbbquilterUT Posted March 19, 2023 #44 Share Posted March 19, 2023 So sorry that happened. This is just another issue I am happy to avoid by packing carry on for travel - not a choice for everyone but works for us. Additionally makes travel by train in Europe easier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Scottdalfonso Posted March 19, 2023 #45 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, time4u2go said: Why is that? I'm not disagreeing...I'm just curious why they wouldn't have to pay income tax on tips. 1 hour ago, Cruise5life said: He’s incorrect. Tips are taxed. Like every one else. Oh you guys are funny, You think these guys are reporting these tips? They already make a good salary and pay tax on that, I can assure you they are not reporting tips handed to them at the dock. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyqueasy Posted March 19, 2023 #46 Share Posted March 19, 2023 I doubt the porters report their tips as income. But the IRS certainly wants it. Excerpt from an article: According to IRS Publication 525, taxpayers are legally required to report the value of whatever property they stole during the tax year. "If you steal property, you must report its FMV (Fair Market Value) in your income in the year you steal it, unless in the same year you return it to its rightful owner," the rule reads. The same rule applies to bribery, drug deals and other income-earning crimes. https://www.irs.gov/publications/p525#en_US_2022_publink1000229086 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted March 19, 2023 #47 Share Posted March 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Scottdalfonso said: Oh you guys are funny, You think these guys are reporting these tips? They already make a good salary and pay tax on that, I can assure you they are not reporting tips handed to them at the dock. I never said I thought these guys are reporting tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobydobe7 Posted March 19, 2023 #48 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Cruise5life said: He’s incorrect. Tips are taxed. Like every one else. Tips are taxed only on what they claim. Unlike restaurants sales (8% of sales) and credit cards tips...there is no way to track what each individual porter makes on tips.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted March 19, 2023 #49 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, Scoobydobe7 said: Tips are taxed only on what they claim. Unlike restaurants sales (8% of sales) and credit cards tips...there is no way to track what each individual porter makes on tips.. The government does get records of of bank deposits over a certain amount. If someone has large income not reported it could get noticed unless they keepit in a mattress. Probably the porters report some of the tip income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARandomTraveler Posted March 19, 2023 #50 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, alfaeric said: That was about 25 years ago for flights, over 40 cruises ago. I bet you hold a really good grudge 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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