ProgRockCruiser Posted June 30, 2023 #26 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 hours ago, cxr133 said: quick question.... if one was to fall off and it was a witnessed event. approx how long does it take to 1. either stop the ship and turn around 2. launch a rescue/crew vehicle. my heart broke for that teenager who jumped on a dare but he was lost immediately? 14 hours ago, rolloman said: Yeah, lost immediately, once you fall off a ship, you and the ship separate quickly due to current. It takes a today's cruise ship 10 nautical miles to do a complete turnaround. That's why the crew will throw flares/smokers and other markers overboard as soon as they can - those objects will float in the current the same as a body (generally). If the ship can slow reasonably quickly, it might be easier/faster to launch a lifeboat than try to turn the ship around. Then the ship can turn around using the azipods, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crdtrnr Posted June 30, 2023 #27 Share Posted June 30, 2023 20 hours ago, cxr133 said: quick question.... if one was to fall off and it was a witnessed event. approx how long does it take to 1. either stop the ship and turn around 2. launch a rescue/crew vehicle. my heart broke for that teenager who jumped on a dare but he was lost immediately? The teenager that jumped was not on a cruise ship...it was a pirate ship in the Bahamas...like an excursion ship.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted June 30, 2023 #28 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Why is this even a post?🤔 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare joe/jack Posted June 30, 2023 #29 Share Posted June 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, FastShip24 said: Why is this even a post?🤔 Inquiring minds are asking the same questions Silly post ya but it’s all good 🤓 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WhaleTailFlCruiser Posted June 30, 2023 #30 Share Posted June 30, 2023 Or ya know just don't climb the railings and or jump off of the ship..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eli_6 Posted June 30, 2023 Author #31 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, FastShip24 said: Why is this even a post?🤔 You know, if you see a post you disagree with or think is pointless, you can just keep scrolling... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted June 30, 2023 #32 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Eli_6 said: You know, if you see a post you disagree with or think is pointless, you can just keep scrolling... Yes, there is no requirement you read every thread. If it is not of interest to you, or you think it is a stupid topic, just scroll on by. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted June 30, 2023 #33 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 hours ago, rolloman said: Yeah, lost immediately, once you fall off a ship, you and the ship separate quickly due to current. It takes a today's cruise ship 10 nautical miles to do a complete turnaround. The bigger problem is the impact with the water from what will be anywhere from 20 to 170 feet above - and presumably while not using good diving form. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 30, 2023 #34 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 6:22 PM, cxr133 said: approx how long does it take to 1. either stop the ship and turn around 2. launch a rescue/crew vehicle. As stated, it would take about 6-8 miles to slow the ship enough to make a tight turn around. Going any faster than 6-8 knots will cause the ship to heel over to the point where dishes will fly, and passengers will skid across the deck. You cannot launch a lifeboat or rescue boat at any speed above about 2 knots ( for a lesson in this, there is an episode of "Whale Wars" where the inexperienced crew tried to launch a RIB boat while the ship was moving, and it ended up spilling the boat crew into the Antarctic sea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 30, 2023 #35 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 hours ago, ProgRockCruiser said: That's why the crew will throw flares/smokers and other markers overboard as soon as they can - those objects will float in the current the same as a body (generally). If the ship can slow reasonably quickly, it might be easier/faster to launch a lifeboat than try to turn the ship around. Then the ship can turn around using the azipods, maybe. Even better than flares and smoke floats (though those raise visibility), is the ability to mark the ship's exact position at the time the overboard is reported, and then the ship can return to that exact spot and start the search from there. This is done on the ship's electronic chart system, it has a special button just for this. Again, you have to be virtually stopped to launch either a lifeboat or rescue boat, and you also need to be heading in the right direction to protect the boat being launched from wind and waves. So, at that point, the azipods would turn the vessel in place (after launching the boat), but whether a ship has azipods or rudders, trying to make a turn of more than 1-2* of heading while at full speed will result in damage to the ship and injuries to the passengers from "turn induced heel". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted June 30, 2023 #36 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, ontheweb said: Yes, there is no requirement you read every thread. If it is not of interest to you, or you think it is a stupid topic, just scroll on by. It's not specific to carnival, so it doesn't belong here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted June 30, 2023 #37 Share Posted June 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, FastShip24 said: It's not specific to carnival, so it doesn't belong here No one forced you to read it, or to post any response. Also, that is up to the mods to determine if it should be moved to a different forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD64 Posted July 1, 2023 #38 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) No offence to the OP but I don’t understand how this topic can even be a thread. I would think that the majority of cruise passengers would have the common sense to not just “fall off”. The Darwin Awards exist for a reason. Edited July 1, 2023 by RD64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolloman Posted July 1, 2023 #39 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Even better than flares and smoke floats (though those raise visibility), is the ability to mark the ship's exact position at the time the overboard is reported, and then the ship can return to that exact spot and start the search from there. This is done on the ship's electronic chart system, it has a special button just for this. Again, you have to be virtually stopped to launch either a lifeboat or rescue boat, and you also need to be heading in the right direction to protect the boat being launched from wind and waves. So, at that point, the azipods would turn the vessel in place (after launching the boat), but whether a ship has azipods or rudders, trying to make a turn of more than 1-2* of heading while at full speed will result in damage to the ship and injuries to the passengers from "turn induced heel". As you know, typically, a call will go out to trailing ships in the vicinity to begin a search. There are a few documented cases where a trailing cruise ship launched a successful recovery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdr69 Posted July 1, 2023 #40 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 10:12 AM, NewCruiser09/09 said: Do not try to swim. This would not be a big issue with me since i cant swim lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Cruise till you drop Posted July 1, 2023 #41 Share Posted July 1, 2023 14 hours ago, FastShip24 said: It's not specific to carnival, so it doesn't belong here Well that’s arguable don’t you think … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eli_6 Posted July 1, 2023 Author #42 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Some of you get way too worked up over really silly things... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eli_6 Posted July 1, 2023 Author #43 Share Posted July 1, 2023 As an aside, I posted this half-way tongue-in-cheek but also because I did think it made some good points...especially the one about using trash as a signaling method. My family and I occasionally do off-shore fishing and a boat capsizing or other issues while not common also isn't unheard of. My grandfather was a professional fisherman/shrimper in the gulf...even built his own boat in his back yard. So, I was honestly just trying to be helpful in the 0.00000000001 percent chance someone ever found themselves floating in the gulf or any other body of water. I know that I have also heard of divers left by excursion crews before...although, again, this is rare. I didn't expect so many people to get so worked up over a post. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canes20 Posted July 1, 2023 #44 Share Posted July 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, Eli_6 said: As an aside, I posted this half-way tongue-in-cheek but also because I did think it made some good points...especially the one about using trash as a signaling method. My family and I occasionally do off-shore fishing and a boat capsizing or other issues while not common also isn't unheard of. My grandfather was a professional fisherman/shrimper in the gulf...even built his own boat in his back yard. So, I was honestly just trying to be helpful in the 0.00000000001 percent chance someone ever found themselves floating in the gulf or any other body of water. I know that I have also heard of divers left by excursion crews before...although, again, this is rare. I didn't expect so many people to get so worked up over a post. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted July 1, 2023 #45 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Cruise till you drop said: Well that’s arguable don’t you think … No it's not. It's the same protocols for all cruise vessels. Is it different if I fall off NCL? Royal? Princess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted July 1, 2023 #46 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Eli_6 said: As an aside, I posted this half-way tongue-in-cheek but also because I did think it made some good points...especially the one about using trash as a signaling method. My family and I occasionally do off-shore fishing and a boat capsizing or other issues while not common also isn't unheard of. My grandfather was a professional fisherman/shrimper in the gulf...even built his own boat in his back yard. So, I was honestly just trying to be helpful in the 0.00000000001 percent chance someone ever found themselves floating in the gulf or any other body of water. I know that I have also heard of divers left by excursion crews before...although, again, this is rare. I didn't expect so many people to get so worked up over a post. . Because the post wasn't funny nor of any use. Now it's tongue in cheek after the backlash 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 1, 2023 #47 Share Posted July 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, FastShip24 said: Because the post wasn't funny nor of any use. Now it's tongue in cheek after the backlash The backlash seems to be coming only from you. Do you see the three dots in the upper right corner next to the post number? You can report the post if you wish. Make your point to the mods and see if they either move it or delete the thread. But that is their call, not yours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted July 1, 2023 #48 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ontheweb said: The backlash seems to be coming only from you. Do you see the three dots in the upper right corner next to the post number? You can report the post if you wish. Make your point to the mods and see if they either move it or delete the thread. But that is their call, not yours. Hahaha enjoy your day. There is a location for general information. Edited July 1, 2023 by FastShip24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 1, 2023 #49 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, FastShip24 said: Hahaha enjoy your day I shall. The same to you. I hope this thread and the need to criticize it does not ruin your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastShip24 Posted July 1, 2023 #50 Share Posted July 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, ontheweb said: I shall. The same to you. I hope this thread and the need to criticize it does not ruin your day. Not at all. But you taught me how to report bad posts. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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