CAS Changes

[mommabean]

I hope they do that. It would also mean that people who took extra cruises last minute would not be penalized.

 

Could you imagine what would happen if all those with 100 were invited to be Pinnacle and those with 99 were left back in the same position as those with 24? No, this would never happen. They have something acceptable in mind unless they want to sink the company.

 

Gina

[mommabean]

What if they just say 'ok you made D so now you are D, but you will continue on at lowest D level'? In that case, they wouldn't have to add up anyone's cruise days to date.

 

I would love for them to add up all my days to date, and give me double days for suites. That would be good!

 

And along with that they really should be adding in extra daily credits for the extra cruise credit "gift" they offered in December. To give the credit one month and basically take it back the next would be absurd.

 

Gina

[drarill]

On the new system:

 

Cruiser "A" is on a 10 night cruise in an inside cabin. Fare paid: 495.00 10 points.

 

Cruiser "B" in on a 3 night cruise in a suite cabin. Fare paid: 1020.00 6 points.

 

Who really "earned" their points????????????????

Which one does RCI make more money on????????????????

 

Well, under the current system I got three cc for our 14 nights cruise on the Independence (on a suite), don't remember how much we paid but it was over $13000. While your cruisers A and B get two cruise credits, for less than a $1000. Or, lets make it worst, your cruiser A can get 4 cruise credits if he takes a back to back for a $1000. Under the new system I will get 28 cruise credits for my IOS cruise, while cruiser B gets 6 and cruiser A gets 10. Under the current system we are plain D's (one credit away from D+, which we will get next week after cruising on the Allure), but under the new system we will be D+ already. The new system will reward longer cruises and suite guests.

[Elkhornne]

I'd think they'd have to do a conversion to the daily system or their bookings will plummet.

 

If people with 24 cruise credits and people with 99 cruise credits are left at D+ but beginning counting from ZERO, you can be sure it would be a whole lot worse than kicking the D out of the CL. I would personally wait until the day before final payment is due on my 7 upcoming booked cruises and cancel them just like that. That would be the one thing that would make me really mad and I don't think they'd do it like that.

 

And if they did that, I'd buy a whole lot more Carnival stock before it goes through the roof. :eek: :p

 

Gina

 

That was why I was asking the question. We're Diamonds now and we want to get to Diamond Plus. It looks like with the new changes coming it's going to be days at sea. I'm going to need all my earned days at sea now so I'll have less to go to get to diamond Plus. If I get zero days for these on my Crusie History (the ones that don't show # of days) I'll have to travel more to get to the next level. It isn't mine or anyone elses fault other the RCCL for not keeping their system updated with correct information. I still can't imagine RCCL going into each of their 5 million C&A members Cruise History and manually updating each one with the potential of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of errors. I'm only Diamond, but if Days at Sea is the new way then I want all of my Days at Sea, not just the ones RCCL choose to update properly!

[travelgoddess1]

Seriously though, how many of them are under 70yo. Someone do a poll. Probably have one long bar on it.

 

Seriously, hopefully, with tongue in cheek. Out of the 100+ households with over 100 cruises (whom I personally know), there are many under 70 years old, including myself. We were awarded top cruiser on Oasis last month, and when they announced the number of cruises we had, the couple in front of us said, "They probably can't walk up to the stage." DH leaned over and said, "Sure we can.";)

 

I have no problem with learning to make the rules work for you, whatever the loyalty program might be. Earlier this year, when it became apparent that we would have to pay big $$$ for a business class airfare, I got busy and accumulated miles any way I could. Credit cards, transferring points from other credit cards, bonus miles, you name it. When it came time to book the flight, we had more than enough miles for a free ticket.

[travelgoddess1]

As an elite i would not even consider switching to RCCL i only have 2 cruises for 10 days as I consider the Elite perks on Princess much better as a non drinker i convert all my alcahol on the mini bar perk into Diet sodas the free laundry and dry cleaning is a great perk

 

I never understood why people who have absolutely have no desire to cruise a certain line,feel the need to post elsewhere,just to bash,,:confused:

 

Other lines may not be my first choice,but I wouldn't go over there just to be so ugly..

 

Thank you, that needed to be said. And you were a lot nicer than I might have been.:)

[SpekiTrout]

"They probably can't walk up to the stage." DH leaned over and said, "Sure we can."

 

LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cruislovin]

Does anyone know when we will see the Press Release?

[CptSticky]

On the new system:

 

Cruiser "A" is on a 10 night cruise in an inside cabin. Fare paid: 495.00 10 points.

 

Cruiser "B" in on a 3 night cruise in a suite cabin. Fare paid: 1020.00 6 points.

 

Who really "earned" their points????????????????

Which one does RCI make more money on????????????????

Thank you for that. It was getting a little lopsided with all the "only longer cruises are fair". Often the short cruises cost much more per night. I just finished a run on Monarch (B2B's) and it cost me over 7k. For that I could have booked a whole lot of 7 day inside cabins.

[LBcruzman]

Thank you for that. It was getting a little lopsided with all the "only longer cruises are fair". Often the short cruises cost much more per night. I just finished a run on Monarch (B2B's) and it cost me over 7k. For that I could have booked a whole lot of 7 day inside cabins.

 

Yes this has always been the argument. But no one side is right as far as spending for the actual cabin or suite whether it is a 3 night or 14 night. Prices for accommodations vary widely from ship to ship depending on length of cruise and time of year sailed.

 

Now if they want to go for how much is spent with Royal Caribbean in total, I would be all over that. For us we generally don't get the deals because we are limited (for the most part) to sailing Holiday weeks and summer when the fares are generally higher. Also, the amount of $$ a person spends on board and for excursions, casino, etc varies widely and is not necessarily dependent on what they paid for their accommodations.

 

So a person in an inside vs a person in a suite could spend much more on board and vice versa. There could be ways to track spending.

 

I would love to see loyalty based on total spending. But for now it looks like the rewards will be for days at sea. Before, it was based on number of cruises. Wanna bet how long before they change it up again?

[yj_eugene]

I'd think they'd have to do a conversion to the daily system or their bookings will plummet.

 

If I were RCCL, I'd just multiply everyone's current number of cruise credits by 7 and have that be their number of days to start with in the new system, but in no case does anyone lose a level they've already earned. That way someone who's close to a next level under the old system will still be about the same closeness to that level under the new. If someone can provide documentation that they actually have more days than that method would give, then update the entry in the system to that proven number. That way there's no need for RCCL to go back and figure out everyone's days, and extra credits for suites or December events don't require any special handling. They're instantly worth 7 days each.

[Mark_K]

On the new system:

 

Cruiser "A" is on a 10 night cruise in an inside cabin. Fare paid: 495.00 10 points.

 

Cruiser "B" in on a 3 night cruise in a suite cabin. Fare paid: 1020.00 6 points.

 

Who really "earned" their points????????????????

Which one does RCI make more money on????????????????

Who they made more money on depends on a lot of factors, including how you define "made". Considering that a lot of their profits, averagely, comes from on board spending, it could easiliy be Cruiser "A".

[newsier]

"They probably can't walk up to the stage." DH leaned over and said, "Sure we can."

 

LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Me too! Well said Pete....

 

g

[marci22]

Seriously, hopefully, with tongue in cheek. Out of the 100+ households with over 100 cruises (whom I personally know), there are many under 70 years old, including myself. We were awarded top cruiser on Oasis last month, and when they announced the number of cruises we had, the couple in front of us said, "They probably can't walk up to the stage." DH leaned over and said, "Sure we can.";)

 

I have no problem with learning to make the rules work for you, whatever the loyalty program might be. Earlier this year, when it became apparent that we would have to pay big $$$ for a business class airfare, I got busy and accumulated miles any way I could. Credit cards, transferring points from other credit cards, bonus miles, you name it. When it came time to book the flight, we had more than enough miles for a free ticket.

 

yeah, jk. The hilarity factor was high yesterday.

 

Honestly though, if I had Pinnacle as my personal goal, I'd give myself until at least 94 yo to make it.

 

If people are making it in their 40s, props to them. It takes a lot of free time and discretionary income to be able to do it at any age.

[nydiana]

If I were RCCL, I'd just multiply everyone's current number of cruise credits by 7 and have that be their number of days to start with in the new system, but in no case does anyone lose a level they've already earned. That way someone who's close to a next level under the old system will still be about the same closeness to that level under the new. If someone can provide documentation that they actually have more days than that method would give, then update the entry in the system to that proven number. That way there's no need for RCCL to go back and figure out everyone's days, and extra credits for suites or December events don't require any special handling. They're instantly worth 7 days each.

 

Actually, I think that makes the most sense. And it would be simple for RCCL to update every ones records by the same formula. I know RCCL is willing to update your record if you can identify the errors. I had them add my cruises from prior to the current record keeping which got that Nov 05 1970 date. I know I would actually lose out by multiplying 10 cruise credits times 7. We tend to take 9-14 night cruises. I have clear records and even all my sea pass cards.

On the other point of family members, being brought up to your level it makes sense for spouses. Otherwise, my DH would not be able to go to the welcome back parties with me. I can understand a different rule for children especially when they are on their own. They do show his completed cruise as actual and his cruise credits brought up to mine. Therefore, they could split them apart if we ever separated.

Diana

[cruisegirl1]

OK – Can’t keep of with this thread and all the proposed calculations. Is all this speculation, or does anyone have GOOD knowledge of the changes. If so, can you post the best guess of the changes.

Thanks,

M

[island lady]

They are mass market, so all customers are important to their bottom line. You can't really say that a suite cruiser or a longer cruiser is more important because they have to fill insides and shorter cruises as well.

 

Thanks...that was kind of my point!! :)

 

I am not fond of the bashing some give those of us that may like to cruise from a local port on a favorite ship that just happens to offer those short 3/4 cruises. I am cruising for fun, and since I am spoiled with balconies, I have to cruise in a suite on the Monarch.

So my "cheap" cruises are not so cheap.

 

I feel I earned my 9 points and should earn that last Diamond making point I would have made on the Jewel on 1/14 for my 10 night cruise.

I am, however according to popular rumour, will not recieve that status now as it is 2 days after the new "supposed rules effective date", and in fact will miss even making Emerald by one point.

 

I will still have a great time and looking forward to the cruise....but so much for new anticipated Diamond status when I complete that cruise...... :(

[island lady]

Yes this has always been the argument. But no one side is right as far as spending for the actual cabin or suite whether it is a 3 night or 14 night. Prices for accommodations vary widely from ship to ship depending on length of cruise and time of year sailed.

 

Now if they want to go for how much is spent with Royal Caribbean in total, I would be all over that. For us we generally don't get the deals because we are limited (for the most part) to sailing Holiday weeks and summer when the fares are generally higher. Also, the amount of $$ a person spends on board and for excursions, casino, etc varies widely and is not necessarily dependent on what they paid for their accommodations.

 

So a person in an inside vs a person in a suite could spend much more on board and vice versa. There could be ways to track spending.

 

I would love to see loyalty based on total spending. But for now it looks like the rewards will be for days at sea. Before, it was based on number of cruises. Wanna bet how long before they change it up again?

 

 

Yup...also my point.

Hotel bonus points? $$$ spent at the hotel.

Frequent Flyer points? Total miles flown.

Frequent Flyer/hotel points earned via credit card? $$$ spent with card.

[island lady]

Who they made more money on depends on a lot of factors, including how you define "made". Considering that a lot of their profits, averagely, comes from on board spending, it could easiliy be Cruiser "A".

 

Good point and I agree.

How about points given for total purchase, much like most other reward systems?

 

Easily tracked with fare paid and sea pass account.

[havebagswilltravel]

How about an exception for everyone past final payment date; would (probably) push final effective date out to March 14-24th? - 60-70

days from January 12. In the end I'd think they'd have to compromise

at that, since too late to choose cancellation.

[island lady]

How about an exception for everyone past final payment date; would (probably) push final effective date out to March 14-24th? - 60-70

days from January 12. In the end I'd think they'd have to compromise

at that, since too late to choose cancellation.

 

And I sure hope you are right!! :D

[Debde]

OK – Is all this speculation, or does anyone have GOOD knowledge of the changes. If so, can you post the best guess of the changes.

Thanks,

M

 

I'm thinking it's been 35 pages of guess, speculation and wish lists.

I'm also guessing enough has been allowed to be leaked to prepare folks for what some may think will be bad news. No one really needs to be prepared for good news!! ;)

 

Seems the only real proof is the sign. Two new levels.

[PeterPan]

Would anyone actual cancel their cruise due to changes in C&A? That boggles my mind!

 

As pointed out previously - This is a program conducted by RCI. It is clearly stated on the form you filled out to join, the website you used to join, the website you use to check your benefits, and probably a number of other places that the program can be changed, or even cancelled by RCI at any time without any required notice prior to the changes.

 

You paid NOTHING to become a member of this group. You are owed NOTHING for being a member of the group.

 

Yes, I am a member, currently just a couple of credits short of Diamond. We will achieve Diamond in April, assuming no changes.

[CruiseLover15]

If I were RCCL, I'd just multiply everyone's current number of cruise credits by 7 and have that be their number of days to start with in the new system, but in no case does anyone lose a level they've already earned. That way someone who's close to a next level under the old system will still be about the same closeness to that level under the new. If someone can provide documentation that they actually have more days than that method would give, then update the entry in the system to that proven number. That way there's no need for RCCL to go back and figure out everyone's days, and extra credits for suites or December events don't require any special handling. They're instantly worth 7 days each.

 

I totally agree with this. All of my cruises have always been 7 days except for the two I did this month to get to diamond before the changes.

[marci22]

I totally agree with this. All of my cruises have always been 7 days except for the two I did this month to get to diamond before the changes.

 

Why multiply by 7? If the information has been entered into their computers each time, shouldn't they be able to compute the exact number of days (barring that 1970 cruise) that everyone has accumulated?