On Marina now...

[LHT28]

An epidemic ????? WE do not know and it seems that they will not tell us since by U.S. law they don't have to. They have tried deep cleaning in the past on Rivera and that did not work.. Delayed our embarkation for a few hours in Feb. but still had to take the ship out of service for 2 days before the next cruise to solve the problem. And it seemed to work. No Noro after that. Totally perfect last July and no talk about this until a few days ago. They need to get out in front of this very fast or it can go downhill and affect the ship for months like it did Riviera last year. :(:(

 

So the outbreak on the Riviera they had approx 8% that were reported

what about those that did not report they were ill just as I suspect is happening now on Marina

Maybe people on the B2B cruise got the bug but did not know they were infected then a couple of days into the new cruise suddenly became ill & by now have passed it on

 

As reported in the winter cruises some passengers seemed to think even if they were quarantined they could still go to the casino, the shops & who knows where else before O took their cruise card from them

 

It is not pleasant to have to put up with the cleaning & getting sick

I am sure if you have suggestions to get it under control or avoid people from bringing onboard in the 1st place the cruise lines would love to hear from you

JMO

Edited November 6, 2016 by LHT28

[Iamthesea]

EWWWW then you pull that hankie out for the next sneeze & the germs go airborne :eek:

Even the CDC recommends tissues

 

LOL, yes, I agree that a disposable tissue is best. And best not used twice. :rolleyes: With the handkerchief, I was referring to sneezing into something more solid. However, the following video proves me wrong. :cool:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/best-sneeze-22258478

 

I don't know if I believe this, but I do know that I rarely have a tissue handy when I am about to sneeze (unless I have an active cold. Then they are stuffed all over my body.:D ) Even so, I find it quicker to sneeze into my elbow than to fish out a tissue.

 

Anyway, those were my thoughts and mainly about what DH and I do to avoid getting sick. The important thing at the moment is to wish all those on the Mariner a healthy ship so that they can enjoy the rest of their cruise. ;)

[LHT28]

The important thing at the moment is to wish all those on the Mariner a healthy ship so that they can enjoy the rest of their cruise. ;)

Hope all those on MARINA will also stay healthy

[alidor]

I think you are right about the under reporting. I did not report my illness because I thought it was food poisoning after having lunch in Split. THey asked me if I wanted to see the doctor, ut thinking it would be over shortly, I declined. I realized that 2 days in, that it was the noro virus. I hear other people asking one another if they are feeling better a lot as well.

[joan24]

I find the part of your post that pretty much implies that the elderly passengers onboard are clueless as to basic hygiene, is offensive. I am 73 and know what to do to keep from spreading and try to avoid contacting illness. I don't know how old you are, but there are a lot of "elderly" people on the ship who are at least as knowlegable as the younger passengers.

[Tansy Mews]

They offered a free consultation with medical staff. I heard it on the captain's announcement.

They are trying.

No self-serve laundromats, no library. No salt and pepper shakers. No bread basket in the GDR - they serve you what you want. They are printing up menus - so no menu covers. Wine list is newly printed and plasticized. Table is set when you sit down.

No coffeee in the concierge lounge. Public restroom doors are propped open so you don't have to touch them with your clean hands.

Staff are constantly cleaning with wipes from a large pull canister in the GDR.

Really, if people are not quarantined for a few days as soon as they realize they are sick, we'll all get it!

 

Frances

[Tansy Mews]

I think you are right about the under reporting. I did not report my illness because I thought it was food poisoning after having lunch in Split. THey asked me if I wanted to see the doctor, ut thinking it would be over shortly, I declined. I realized that 2 days in, that it was the noro virus. I hear other people asking one another if they are feeling better a lot as well.

 

Puzzled you would think it food poisoning when there is noro around. "Stomach flu"is usually noro, I believe.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Tansy Mews

[Goldmann]

... Delayed our embarkation for a few hours in Feb. but still had to take the ship out of service for 2 days before the next cruise to solve the problem. And it seemed to work. No Noro after that...

 

That was not the case. We were on Mar. 20th fourteen day. We had one day before Riviera went Code Red Level 2 and remained there for the duration. Friends on cruises between the out of service experience and this one also had Level 2 protocols enacted. Not at all suggesting it was a problem of O's doing. O was not the only line/ship with the issue. The staff efforts where beyond admirable. Herculean in our view. Unfortunately the organism did as it damn well pleased.

[RJB]

So the outbreak on the Riviera they had approx 8% that were reported

what about those that did not report they were ill just as I suspect is happening now on Marina

Maybe people on the B2B cruise got the bug but did not know they were infected then a couple of days into the new cruise suddenly became ill & by now have passed it on

 

As reported in the winter cruises some passengers seemed to think even if they were quarantined they could still go to the casino, the shops & who knows where else before O took their cruise card from them

 

It is not pleasant to have to put up with the cleaning & getting sick

I am sure if you have suggestions to get it under control or avoid people from bringing onboard in the 1st place the cruise lines would love to hear from you

JMO

Wish that I had the solution. I would be a rich man. Sometimes I think that the CDC has no clue either. I remember from last winter how many times they were on Riviera and still people kept getting sick. Maybe they need to hire some private company's and give a big bonus if there is no sickness after their cleaning. Don't have a lot of faith in the government these days. Hope this outbreak is over soon and we all can back to eating and having fun on Oceania as usual. :):):)

[ORV]

I find the part of your post that pretty much implies that the elderly passengers onboard are clueless as to basic hygiene, is offensive. I am 73 and know what to do to keep from spreading and try to avoid contacting illness. I don't know how old you are, but there are a lot of "elderly" people on the ship who are at least as knowlegable as the younger passengers.

 

I was waiting for someone to mention that. That is such a fallacy. While there is an occasional really aged senior citizen or two on Oceania most people are squarely in the 55-75 age range, which is not elderly at all.

 

Yes, there are people on board that don't practice proper hygiene for a cruise ship, but it's usually not age related.

 

FWIW, I'm on the younger side of the age range.

[LHT28]

I find the part of your post that pretty much implies that the elderly passengers onboard are clueless as to basic hygiene, is offensive. I am 73 and know what to do to keep from spreading and try to avoid contacting illness. I don't know how old you are, but there are a lot of "elderly" people on the ship who are at least as knowlegable as the younger passengers.

 

Well said Joan

I have seen younger women leave the W/C without using the soap & water provided

[RJB]

I was waiting for someone to mention that. That is such a fallacy. While there is an occasional really aged senior citizen or two on Oceania most people are squarely in the 55-75 age range, which is not elderly at all.

 

Yes, there are people on board that don't practice proper hygiene for a cruise ship, but it's usually not age related.

 

FWIW, I'm on the younger side of the age range.

I think that age has nothing to do with proper hygiene. Has to do with having concideration for your fellow passengers. And having a few brains would help. There really is no downside to washing your hands and using a little gel. Takes about 30 seconds extra.

[Tansy Mews]

The CDC says Norovirus can be found in your stool (feces) even before you start feeling sick. The virus can stay in your stool for 2 weeks or more after you feel better.

You are most contagious

when you are sick with norovirus illness, and

during the first few days after you recover from norovirus illness.

 

People can easily spread it without realizing it. More info and then people believing it!

I sympathize with those who got it.

 

Frances

Edited November 6, 2016 by Tansy Mews

[Tidalmist]

Can anyone on board provide me an update on the virus. We are scheduled to board in Rome and really concerned.

[bitob]

I find the part of your post that pretty much implies that the elderly passengers onboard are clueless as to basic hygiene, is offensive. I am 73 and know what to do to keep from spreading and try to avoid contacting illness. I don't know how old you are, but there are a lot of "elderly" people on the ship who are at least as knowlegable as the younger passengers.

 

 

73 is not elderly

 

 

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[Iamthesea]

Hope all those on MARINA will also stay healthy

 

Thank you for that! It's my husbands fault. :D He keeps saying Mariner (I guess because of our HAL status) and I keep correcting him. Guess it's rubbed off.

 

Now the question...Is it pronounced Marina, like a boat dock, or Ma-ren-a?

 

I find the part of your post that pretty much implies that the elderly passengers onboard are clueless as to basic hygiene, is offensive. I am 73 and know what to do to keep from spreading and try to avoid contacting illness. I don't know how old you are, but there are a lot of "elderly" people on the ship who are at least as knowlegable as the younger passengers.

 

That's not at all what I implied.

 

I believe that another problem is the amount of elderly that cruise on Oceania. Most are not on these forums and have not read about these viruses that can strike at any time. They don't know about using the best hygiene to avoid the virus.

 

What I was suggesting is that it is unlikely that the older generation are members of Cruise Critic. And therefore not aware of the problems that cruise ships have with this virus or any other illnesses. And they are not aware of some of the precautions that are mentioned on this forum. They go their merry way without realizing they need to take extra precautions. Something that all of us know and most hopefully abide by. ;)

 

I remember when we first starting cruising with my parents (then in their late 70's), I would make sure that they (experienced cruisers) were doing everything they could to prevent picking up germs from other passengers. I would watch someone sneeze into their hands, and then grab a utensil in the buffet. My dad would be right behind them and grab that same utensil without a thought.:rolleyes: That age generation is not as germ conscious (or phobic) as we are. And DH and I probably would not be so phobic if it were not for Cruise Critic and trying to travel healthy. LOL

 

And as for the age range on Oceania, on our shortened 10 night cruise, there were many more over the age of 80. Some even had nurses with them. But age aside, before the Code Red, I rarely saw anyone using the hand sanitizers. Even when they became mandatory, we saw many trying to refuse them. And because the doors were open, we saw people walking out of the bathrooms without washing their hands. I even saw an attendant do so. :eek:

 

So I hope you understand what I meant and so sorry that you felt offended with my post.

 

BTW - I do not consider age 73 as elderly. DH and I are not far behind you in age. ;)

[RJB]

Thank you for that! It's my husbands fault. :D He keeps saying Mariner (I guess because of our HAL status) and I keep correcting him. Guess it's rubbed off.

 

Now the question...Is it pronounced Marina, like a boat dock, or Ma-ren-a?

 

 

 

That's not at all what I implied.

 

 

 

What I was suggesting is that it is unlikely that the older generation are members of Cruise Critic. And therefore not aware of the problems that cruise ships have with this virus or any other illnesses. And they are not aware of some of the precautions that are mentioned on this forum. They go their merry way without realizing they need to take extra precautions. Something that all of us know and most hopefully abide by. ;)

 

I remember when we first starting cruising with my parents (then in their late 70's), I would make sure that they (experienced cruisers) were doing everything they could to prevent picking up germs from other passengers. I would watch someone sneeze into their hands, and then grab a utensil in the buffet. My dad would be right behind them and grab that same utensil without a thought.:rolleyes: That age generation is not as germ conscious (or phobic) as we are. And DH and I probably would not be so phobic if it were not for Cruise Critic and trying to travel healthy. LOL

 

And as for the age range on Oceania, on our shortened 10 night cruise, there were many more over the age of 80. Some even had nurses with them. But age aside, before the Code Red, I rarely saw anyone using the hand sanitizers. Even when they became mandatory, we saw many trying to refuse them. And because the doors were open, we saw people walking out of the bathrooms without washing their hands. I even saw an attendant do so. :eek:

 

So I hope you understand what I meant and so sorry that you felt offended with my post.

 

BTW - I do not consider age 73 as elderly. DH and I are not far behind you in age. ;)

73 is not elderly. Not even a little bit. Play tennis and golf 7 days a week and am on cruise critic at least 5 days a week. Some people are very stupid no matter what age they are. Don't try to say that because we are over 70 that we don't care. Our health is very important to us. Maybe more than younger people.

[joan24]

Thanks to those of you that said that 73 is not elderly. I don't feel one bit elderly, but I used to think thirty was very old.

[RJB]

Thanks to those of you that said that 73 is not elderly. I don't feel one bit elderly, but I used to think thirty was very old.

that's when I was 20.

[Iamthesea]

73 is not elderly. Not even a little bit. Play tennis and golf 7 days a week and am on cruise critic at least 5 days a week. Some people are very stupid no matter what age they are. Don't try to say that because we are over 70 that we don't care. Our health is very important to us. Maybe more than younger people.

 

:eek::confused: I didn't say that!

 

UPDATE?

[TUCHIK]

:eek::confused: I didn't say that!

 

UPDATE?

 

Of course you did!! Here is your exact comment.

 

"I believe that another problem is the amount of elderly that cruise on Oceania."

 

Politicians are expected to lie, CC posters are expected to be truthful.

 

Lets be realistic, the age group that has the least awareness of health issues are the under 5's, and of course their parents. We know this because we are parents.

 

As RJB said "Our health is very important to us. Maybe more than younger people"

 

I don't have the 11,000 plus comments that you have, but (I think) I have more Oceania cruises.

 

Less than 6 weeks before our Buenos Aires to Valparaiso to Miami cruise.

 

Here's hoping the noro issue is resolved - I'm confident it will be.

[LHT28]

:eek::confused: I didn't say that!

 

I think you should quit while you are behind :D

[Iamthesea]

Of course you did!! Here is your exact comment.

 

"I believe that another problem is the amount of elderly that cruise on Oceania."

 

Please read post #91 from me. I believe that there has been a lot of misunderstanding about my post. Perhaps I am not explaining very well.:(

 

I think you should quit while you are behind :D

 

I think I will! :eek:

[Baandb]

73 is not elderly. Not even a little bit. Play tennis and golf 7 days a week and am on cruise critic at least 5 days a week. Some people are very stupid no matter what age they are. Don't try to say that because we are over 70 that we don't care. Our health is very important to us. Maybe more than younger people.

 

According to the World Health Organisation:

"Most developed world countries have accepted the chronological age of 65 years as a definition of 'elderly' or older person"

 

Then we have the Wikipedia definition:

 

Gerontologists have recognized the very different conditions that people experience as they grow older within the years defined as old age. In developed countries, most people in their 60s and early 70s are still fit, active, and able to care for themselves. However, after 75, they will become increasingly frail, a condition marked by serious mental and physical debilitation.

 

Therefore, rather than lumping together all people who have been defined as old, some gerontologists have recognized the diversity of old age by defining sub-groups. One study distinguishes the young old (60 to 69), the middle old (70 to 79), and the very old (80+). Another study’s sub-grouping is young-old (65 to 74), middle-old (75–84), and oldest-old (85+). A third sub-grouping is “young old” (65-74), “old” (74-84), and "old-old" (85+). Delineating sub-groups in the 65+ population enables a more accurate portrayal of significant life changes

 

As they say - "Actions speak louder than words...."

 

:)

[RJB]

Please read post #91 from me. I believe that there has been a lot of misunderstanding about my post. Perhaps I am not explaining very well.:(

 

 

 

I think I will! :eek:

I think we need to get back to the thread at hand and try to see what is going on now with Marina. This nit picking about age is doing us no good. Does not sound line anyone is trying to be insulting, but sometimes our words come out a little bit different than intended. Lets all stay safe and healthy. :):):)