Smoking On Your Balcony But Our Vacation!!

[ducklite]

 

 

 

Why? This is like giving up.

 

 

 

Not at all. Just complaining about it on a message board while still giving them your money is a far worse option. Packing up and taking your money elsewhere, it is not giving up, it is being smart.

 

 

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[troykahack]

 

 

 

Not at all. Just complaining about it on a message board while still giving them your money is a far worse option. Packing up and taking your money elsewhere, it is not giving up, it is being smart.

 

 

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We like Royal and Celebrity is more expensive for the same cabin type. Why can't we hope to enjoy our cruise on Royal? Each day, there are less and less smokers.

[ducklite]

 

 

 

We like Royal and Celebrity is more expensive for the same cabin type. Why can't we hope to enjoy our cruise on Royal? Each day, there are less and less smokers.

 

 

 

You can hope all you want. I hope that I will win the lottery. But I am also smart enough to know that the likelihood is slim to none. The difference is that I play mostly my state lottery which helps fund education, so I just consider the $30 or so a year I spend a donation. Big difference between pocket change and the cost of a cruise. Oh, and the lottery follows the rules and jails cheats.

 

 

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[Hoppy2cruise]

Since all policies are clearly listed in the cruise documents, no additional warnings should be required.

[Biker19]

There are 10 times the number of non smokers to smokers.

 

It will eventually get there but as of now it's only about five to one - well, at least in the US.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Biker19

[bvreeland922]

I need to hear from a doctor who can show me where second hand smoke from outside air can cause this. Because I'm disbelieving.

 

Is your partner very obese? If so, it is more likely the ocean/sea distilled water causing fluid retention in the lungs, not second hand outdoor smoke. Talk to a doctor if he's obese because cruising may not be the best idea due to the water on board being desalinated but not 100% salt free. Even the coffee can cause this issue.

 

I took a large buddy on a cruise and he had similar sissies but no medical emergency. He takes a plethora of drugs to control his health issues related to his obesity and two of the pills say no added salt and his doctor told him no cruises due to desalinated water leading to a risk of fluid retention.

 

Smoking in balconies is wrong. Those cruises were a-holes. But I am doubting they put him in a medical situation.

 

Absolutely smoking outdoors can exacerbate any pulmonary problems. I have zero health issues. 110 lb woman, no ashthma, no meds, nothing and if I go into a place with smoke, even passing through it outside I have trouble breathing the next day. Last cruise I went on I played in the casino. I had some trouble breathing the next day but by time I got off the cruise I had full blown bronchitis and was sick for a couple of weeks.

I have one semester left in nursing school and have written a research paper on second hand smoke. The evidence is overwhelming.

[ducklite]

It will eventually get there but as of now it's only about five to one - well, at least in the US.

 

 

 

You assume that only adults cruise. I believe it is now one in six adults, closer to one in 10 total population.

 

Either way, if 80% of adult cruisers walked to another line...

 

 

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Edited December 11, 2016 by ducklite

[Biker19]

You assume that only adults cruise.

 

I didn't assume anything, I was strictly talking about smoker to non-smoker ratio - the smoking population in the US is about 17% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_tobacco_consumption), leaving 83% non-smokers. 83/17 is about 5.

[Royal2464]

There is an ambulance chasing attorney that is mentioned on CC frequently. Find out their name and explore suing the smokers for your medical bills, ruining your vacation and anything else the attorney can dream up. Royal may also be liable for failing to properly address the issue. The smokers should have been kicked off the ship, and there is no justification for them being allowed to stay. Without enforcement, rules mean nothing and it is sad that even faced with your partners health issues that Royal failed to act responsibly.

[Roce48]

Exactly. If people want to smoke in a designated area (which the ship should make sure it is an area others don't need to pass through or smell smoke drifting from) and dispose of butts in a safe manner, it's not my problem. But when it does affect me, particularly when they are breaking written policy, it becomes my business.

 

The Wind Surf had a smoking area in the top deck at the rear of the ship. No one needed to go up there for any reason except to smoke. The smoke drifted off into the breeze behind the ship. They supplied an adequate place to dispose of butts. It was a win-win. For the two smokers among the 212 passengers, it worked.

 

If smokers would follow the rules and be considerate, we could all generally get on. Of course some heavy smokers leave a PigPen like trail of stench all around them. I was in CVS an hour ago and could smell the stench of stale smoke over six feet from the guy at the counter. It was disgusting. But that type of odor on a smoker is usually the exception to the rule.

 

 

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He probably needed to wash his clothes and take a good hot shower with soap. lol

[Roce48]

 

I agree with Merion Mom, there is no IF

 

Smoking should be banned at the Casino Bar. IF your not playing, NO SMOKING. Nobody needs to provide any smokers with any area out of the elements. The pool deck area for smokers is plenty.

 

So you don't think smokers should be offered a place out of the rain? Too bad for you! With your nasty attitude I hope smoke always blows your way! I smoked outside, but when it was cold and rainy I went into the casino. The Anthem has a nice covered smoking area on it away from the main areas, therefore I did not have to go inside to the casino.

[rajju077]

Although the medical bill was hefty, it's great that the team managed to get your partner's symptoms under control. That episode would have scared me senseless.

 

I do not understand why people refuse to follow the smoking rules. I'm a smoker and, sure, I loved being able to smoke on my balcony but it's been banned so up to the upper deck or down to the promenade we go. If we can follow the rules, so can everybody else. It seems like Royal should take a more aggressive stance on this since I'm hearing more and more incidents of people ignoring the rules.

 

It was more than just symptoms. It was life threatening.

 

Addicts are hard to reason with sometimes.

 

I often wonder about the logic/mentality of people who completely disregard or ignore or break rules. Behind every rule or policy, is a bad event that probably ended up hurting people. It is very hard to establish and enforce a rule.

If it exists, there is a really good reason behind it.

Edited December 11, 2016 by rajju077

[rajju077]

I need to hear from a doctor who can show me where second hand smoke from outside air can cause this. Because I'm disbelieving.

 

Is your partner very obese? If so, it is more likely the ocean/sea distilled water causing fluid retention in the lungs, not second hand outdoor smoke. Talk to a doctor if he's obese because cruising may not be the best idea due to the water on board being desalinated but not 100% salt free. Even the coffee can cause this issue.

 

I took a large buddy on a cruise and he had similar sissies but no medical emergency. He takes a plethora of drugs to control his health issues related to his obesity and two of the pills say no added salt and his doctor told him no cruises due to desalinated water leading to a risk of fluid retention.

 

Smoking in balconies is wrong. Those cruises were a-holes. But I am doubting they put him in a medical situation.

 

Only a doctor dealing with this particular person could give you a non-biased, purely scientific evidence of this. Since this is not allowable, you may not get your 'evidence'.

 

Whether you are convinced of it or not, does not matter. But external/internal triggers for an already sick person with prexisting pulmonary issues can expedite complications.

 

I doubt obesity had anything to do with it, but i don't know their medical history and neither do you.

 

Regarding evidence for exposure to smoking for extended periods, plenty of articles on pubmed.

Edited December 11, 2016 by rajju077

[rajju077]

No Jim is not obese. He is carrying maybe an extra 10-15 lbs but over all in good health. He works out 5 days a week for a min of 90 minutes.

 

We cruise experienced cruisers, this was our third cruise this year and we are Diamond.

 

Jim only drinks bottled water on board because we know about the salt contributing to the pulmonary problems. He also takes care to stay away from the soups and salty dishes. He eats mostly salads, veggies, and fruit while we are sailing.

 

Like I said, we cruise a fair amount and this is the first time we have had problems with flash pulmonary edema while cruising. This is also the first time we have had a continued problem with smokers. We did have a flash issue one time before when where were in NOLA. That case was caused by the food.

 

It may not be the only cause but I truly believe the smoking at least contributed to the problem. The doctor also believed it did to, he just couldn't say diffidently.

 

Thank you for sharing that. It does seem from your narrative that the continued exposure to smoking made it worse.

[Clarea]

 

It is hard to avoid the Casino when sometimes one must walk through it to get somewhere else. ...

I can't think of an RC ship where you cannot avoid the casino no matter where you want to go.

[rajju077]

I agree. The first warning includes a fine. Second warning they should be escorted off the ship at the next port. Everyone knows the rules pertaining to smoking. Its rude and inconsiderate.

 

And injurious to health.

 

I can be slightly patient with rude and inconsiderate behavior.

The moment it affects my health, its a whole another level.

[rajju077]

Please don't crucify me but...

 

I do think that if there is a non-smoking policy on balconies, that it should be enforced.

 

But...

 

I am a smoker that does not smoke on our balconies, and do understand that cigarette smoke is not pleasant to most non-smokers. But just because there is the smell of smoke coming from somewhere, I have to wonder just how much of that smell actually carries the carcinogenics that hurt people. If you smell cigarette smoke on me doesn't mean carcinogens will jump off me. :p

 

I feel bad that the OP's husband has such a critical health problem that is set off by just the smell of smoke.

 

Smoking is not illegal, and we pay good money, therefore feel we should have an area to smoke in decent out of the elements designated areas.

Second hand smoking is injurious to health. Check out pubmed for plenty of evidence. Plenty of US bills have such evidence to back their bills sponsoring banning of smoking in public because second hand smoking has been proven to hurt.

 

Its not the smell. Its smoke.

[moopetguy]

And injurious to health.

 

I can be slightly patient with rude and inconsiderate behavior.

The moment it affects my health, its a whole another level.

 

Agreed. Some smokers seem to forget that their rights end where the rights of others begin (generally that maxim applies to any situation). Non-smokers have the right to smoke-free air. IMO, second-hand smoke is tantamount to assault.

 

If you are only affecting yourself...do whatever you want, go nuts. But you should not be affecting others with your choices and actions. To keep insisting on your "right" to break the rules and/or negatively impact others is selfish.

[rajju077]

I was not being curt, so why must you be. Even if you don't like my statement, you should still show some class. Thank you.:)

 

He/she was being factual and succinct. Nothing to do with liking or disliking your post.

 

A poorly researched post of multiple paragraphs has less class than a factual statement.

 

That is my humble opinion /s :D:D

Edited December 11, 2016 by rajju077

[lucymorgan]

 

So you don't think smokers should be offered a place out of the rain? Too bad for you! With your nasty attitude I hope smoke always blows your way! I smoked outside, but when it was cold and rainy I went into the casino. The Anthem has a nice covered smoking area on it away from the main areas, therefore I did not have to go inside to the casino.

 

Who is the person being nasty? hhhhmmmm :(:confused:

[troykahack]

 

Who is the person being nasty? hhhhmmmm :(:confused:

 

That is not my quote. Not sure how it ended up tagging me as the poster.

[Aquahound]

I can't think of an RC ship where you cannot avoid the casino no matter where you want to go.

 

I was thinking the same thing. On RCI ships, you just go up or down 1 story. Carnival, on the other hand, it's a significant detour to bypass the casino.

[Aquahound]

That is not my quote. Not sure how it ended up tagging me as the poster.

 

It starts with 1 person messing up the quote box, then everyone else seems to follow suit. When that happens, you have to delete the second

to get it back on track.

[troykahack]

It starts with 1 person messing up the quote box, then everyone else seems to follow suit. When that happens, you have to delete the second

to get it back on track.

 

Thanks. Will pay attention to that in future. The quote for Bob above was my post, regarding passing through the Casino. Or at least I posted something similar.

Edited December 11, 2016 by troykahack

[John&LaLa]

Oops

 

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Edited December 11, 2016 by John&LaLa