change of internet benefit for diamond and diamond plus

[actuarian]

She did say, however, that something will have to be done about benefits in general as there simply too many Diamond and up members now.

 

Back when they added the Suite Lounge to the Oasis (the first ship to get one), they briefly released deck plans that showed three lounges: the Diamond Club, the Concierge Club (for D+ and P) and the Suite Lounge (for Suites only). If they had stuck to that original plan, there would be no overcrowding in the lounges. However, they quickly changed the plan, eliminating the planned Diamond Club (which was to be moved from its old location and made larger) and instead renaming the Concierge Club. That decision was obviously designed to increase profits and, IMHO, that decision is the source of the overcrowding on the Oasis class ships. The Oasis-class ships really should have three lounges.

[Merion_Mom]

Back when they added the Suite Lounge to the Oasis (the first ship to get one), they briefly released deck plans that showed three lounges: the Diamond Club, the Concierge Club (for D+ and P) and the Suite Lounge (for Suites only). If they had stuck to that original plan, there would be no overcrowding in the lounges. However, they quickly changed the plan, eliminating the planned Diamond Club (which was to be moved from its old location and made larger) and instead renaming the Concierge Club. That decision was obviously designed to increase profits and, IMHO, that decision is the source of the overcrowding on the Oasis class ships. The Oasis-class ships really should have three lounges.

I do not believe that 3 lounges were EVER the intent. They just didn't update the deck plans.

[Milwaukee Eight]

Back when they added the Suite Lounge to the Oasis (the first ship to get one), they briefly released deck plans that showed three lounges: the Diamond Club, the Concierge Club (for D+ and P) and the Suite Lounge (for Suites only). If they had stuck to that original plan, there would be no overcrowding in the lounges. However, they quickly changed the plan, eliminating the planned Diamond Club (which was to be moved from its old location and made larger) and instead renaming the Concierge Club. That decision was obviously designed to increase profits and, IMHO, that decision is the source of the overcrowding on the Oasis class ships. The Oasis-class ships really should have three lounges.

 

 

 

Loyalty. Right at 2000 Gold, Platinum, Emerald, Diamond, Diamond Plus, and Pinnacle onboard Harmony. More than 6000+ passengers onboard. Where are the loyal members? D, D+, and P short of a qtr on C&A.

 

No overcrowding here. 757 was 3rd P. After seeing the changes on Harmony, really curious to see how they handle the Presidents Cruise in September. The DL on deck 4 is not that big and no view.

 

 

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[ReneeFLL]

What I was told in the D Lounge is that they want to avoid overflow as it is so hard to control. I have seen it when it was used and a "special event" sign was put up in the area. But, folks just walked over and joined in and there was no checking to see if they were eligible to be there or not.

 

I have read this also, but if they don't want people who haven't earned the benefits then they need to start checking seapasses. Sure it will take a little extra time, but it will stop the people who don't belong there.

 

Another one for 5 drinks. Lol

 

You live in another world if you think Royal is going to put 5 drinks on your SeaPass. That is not going to help eliminate crowding in the Lounges. The only way to do that is limit it to 3 drinks period or eliminate the free drinks altogether.

 

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You seem to think everyone lives in another world. :rolleyes: I said it would help some. Why do you think if people would get 5 drinks on their seapass that they would still stay in the lounges? Like I said earlier that SOME would and some would not even go. I was only making a suggestion of what would help with some of the overcrowding, but I know Royal won't do it because it will cost them a few more pennies. Leave it to stockholders like you who want more benefits taken away.

[ReneeFLL]

BS! :rolleyes:

 

They are turning more and more profit every quater...the biggest profits ever!

So your facts are fake!:rolleyes:

 

They could just stop giving status away forever and to everybody in the household....much easier and fair than taking achivements away from pax that earned it!

 

Just another D+ about me me me. Screw the rest.

 

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Talking about me me me. You suggested that they should take away the free drinks in order to eliminate the overcrowding. Eliminating the drinks would earn more profits for shareholders like you so there is your me me me. You need to call out yourself before calling out others. It's not about me me me when others don't want the benefits taken away that they earned by staying loyal.

[grapau27]

BS! :rolleyes:

 

They are turning more and more profit every quater...the biggest profits ever!

So your facts are fake!:rolleyes:

 

They could just stop giving status away forever and to everybody in the household....much easier and fair than taking achivements away from pax that earned it!

That is actually a good idea for the future if they think it is unsustainable and only people who have gained the points get the rewards.

[grapau27]

I think if Royal was really concerned about the overcrowding in the lounges then they would give 5 drinks on the seapass instead of just 3. Why would someone (I know not everyone) just use the 3 drinks when they can drink more in the lounges if they chose to. Some people will only have a drink or two while others will drink more. For me there are days I don't feel like drinking at all and then some days I could drink more than 3 drinks. I have read on here some say they like the lounges because they can talk to like minded cruisers (tier status maybe?). Also when there is an empty connecting lounge why don't they always open it up for the overflow? Sometimes they do and other times they don't. It makes no sense except they want people to leave the lounge. I still think Royal is using the overcrowding as an excuse to reduce benefits again.

I have posted a few times that putting 5 drinks on your seapass would instantly cure overcrowding and on ships with a dungeon DL like Harmony it would be very well accepted.

[grapau27]

(y)

 

 

 

Sure they are greedy, but they want even more so his comment isn't silly. They have high profit margins because of their loyal C & A members which they will be losing because of them changing aka reducing benefits.

 

As for people not "dealing" with it, why should they just go along with it? They stayed loyal because they were promised benefits for being loyal and all Royal does is reduce them. Good way to lose people.

Totally agree.

[grapau27]

That is what makes the world go around!:p

 

Better than claiming poor RCI can not sustain their current top-tier benefits.....:rolleyes:

Good point

[ReneeFLL]

Loyalty......

 

On Harmony now, only 474 loyal Diamond and Pinnacle members out of 6,000+. Where are you? Shopping brisk onboard, most excursions full, huge crowd at Park West, lots of drink packages, lots of photographs, most all the Speciality Dinning booked, casino packed last two nights.

 

Just who do you think Royals market? A few Diamonds and P?

 

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And just how many of the non diamond and up will continue to return? You are also citing 1 ship on 1 cruise.

 

And what was their profit margin? Highest profit ever means nothing without context. They were losing money in some quarters not very long ago.

It's all about where they put the money and the numbers. Do you really think they were losing money yet continuing to build all the mega ships with more coming?

[grapau27]

Another one for 5 drinks. Lol

 

You live in another world if you think Royal is going to put 5 drinks on your SeaPass. That is not going to help eliminate crowding in the Lounges. The only way to do that is limit it to 3 drinks period or eliminate the free drinks altogether.

 

 

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Princess, Carnival,NCL,P&O etc would love it if Royal did that because they would pick up lots of new business.

[grapau27]

Back when they added the Suite Lounge to the Oasis (the first ship to get one), they briefly released deck plans that showed three lounges: the Diamond Club, the Concierge Club (for D+ and P) and the Suite Lounge (for Suites only). If they had stuck to that original plan, there would be no overcrowding in the lounges. However, they quickly changed the plan, eliminating the planned Diamond Club (which was to be moved from its old location and made larger) and instead renaming the Concierge Club. That decision was obviously designed to increase profits and, IMHO, that decision is the source of the overcrowding on the Oasis class ships. The Oasis-class ships really should have three lounges.

Fantastic post and what a shame they didn't carry through with the 3 lounges.

[grapau27]

I have read this also, but if they don't want people who haven't earned the benefits then they need to start checking seapasses. Sure it will take a little extra time, but it will stop the people who don't belong there.

 

 

 

You seem to think everyone lives in another world. :rolleyes: I said it would help some. Why do you think if people would get 5 drinks on their seapass that they would still stay in the lounges? Like I said earlier that SOME would and some would not even go. I was only making a suggestion of what would help with some of the overcrowding, but I know Royal won't do it because it will cost them a few more pennies. Leave it to stockholders like you who want more benefits taken away.

I have received the same negative criticism too when i suggested 5 drinks,but if they did do that for Diamonds in exchange for not using the DL during cocktail hours i would expect a large majority would be happy with that especially if they could still use the DL during the day for tea and coffee.

[grapau27]

Talking about me me me. You suggested that they should take away the free drinks in order to eliminate the overcrowding. Eliminating the drinks would earn more profits for shareholders like you so there is your me me me. You need to call out yourself before calling out others. It's not about me me me when others don't want the benefits taken away that they earned by staying loyal.

Very well said and i totally agree with you.

[Milwaukee Eight]

I have read this also, but if they don't want people who haven't earned the benefits then they need to start checking seapasses. Sure it will take a little extra time, but it will stop the people who don't belong there.

 

 

 

You seem to think everyone lives in another world. :rolleyes: I said it would help some. Why do you think if people would get 5 drinks on their seapass that they would still stay in the lounges? Like I said earlier that SOME would and some would not even go. I was only making a suggestion of what would help with some of the overcrowding, but I know Royal won't do it because it will cost them a few more pennies. Leave it to stockholders like you who want more benefits taken away.

 

 

 

I’m not saying it wouldn’t help. It may. But Royal doing it, not a chance.

 

 

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[Milwaukee Eight]

Princess, Carnival,NCL,P&O etc would love it if Royal did that because they would pick up lots of new business.

 

 

 

Please detail the loyalty perks those lines provide now and compare to Royal please.

 

 

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[Milwaukee Eight]

I have received the same negative criticism too when i suggested 5 drinks,but if they did do that for Diamonds in exchange for not using the DL during cocktail hours i would expect a large majority would be happy with that especially if they could still use the DL during the day for tea and coffee.

 

 

 

Again, NOT a chance. I’ll buy you a drink package if they do. Not saying it wouldn’t help. Royal is not going to do it. What they are likely to do is give you a discount on the drink packages. Maybe better than today’s current offerings. That would be our choice. Their reasoning, if you want to drink, buy the package.

 

 

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[Ocean Boy]

Loyalty......

 

On Harmony now, only 474 loyal Diamond and Pinnacle members out of 6,000+. Where are you? Shopping brisk onboard, most excursions full, huge crowd at Park West, lots of drink packages, lots of photographs, most all the Speciality Dinning booked, casino packed last two nights.

 

Just who do you think Royals market? A few Diamonds and P?

 

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First there are too many of us and now there are just a few. Which way is it? And unless you can show that there is less shopping, empty excursions, no drink packages, little specialty dining, and empty casinos on cruises where there are more upper C&A members your observations mean little.

[Milwaukee Eight]

So, many of you seem to indicate that Royal and Royal Caribbean International shouldn’t make a profit? Or give a good return to the Shareholders knows nothing about running a business or company. It’s the Shareholders that VOTE, not the loyalty members. So, let’s just cruise without regard to the viability to sustain the company. See how that works.

 

 

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[Ocean Boy]

BS! :rolleyes:

 

They are turning more and more profit every quater...the biggest profits ever!

So your facts are fake!:rolleyes:

 

They could just stop giving status away forever and to everybody in the household....much easier and fair than taking achivements away from pax that earned it!

 

Just another D+ about me me me. Screw the rest.

 

 

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Another post I don't quite get. How is Thorben just looking out for himself when he is trying to come up with a way for no upper tier people to lose their benefits. That post was not just looking out for himself. He was including everyone who sailed their way into their C&A level. If the issue is crowding then it certainly makes reasonable sense to consider not conveying status to people in a household who have not achieved it on their own merit.

[Ocean Boy]

So, many of you seem to indicate that Royal and Royal Caribbean International shouldn’t make a profit? Or give a good return to the Shareholders knows nothing about running a business or company. It’s the Shareholders that VOTE, not the loyalty members. So, let’s just cruise without regard to the viability to sustain the company. See how that works.

 

 

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Where did someone say that?

[Milwaukee Eight]

Where did someone say that?

 

 

 

Read post 693. The entire post.

 

 

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[topnole]

Yeah like 10 years ago.....you must be quite old....:rolleyes:

 

Actually I’m not old. But you still haven’t answered my questions. Another example. They had a 5% ROA recently which is good but it certainly isn’t anything obscene. You put up billions of your money to build the biggest most innovative ships in the world and see if you dont want a solid return on your investment. investors expect a return on their investment just like with any company. You do realize they are a for profit compnay and not a charity.

 

If you cruise on them just for a few drinks each night we’ll then what can I say. Most if not nearly all cruise on royal because they like the product and find good value in it. If they didn’t they would go elsewhere. This whole royal is an evil robber Barron is ridiculous. It is a competitive market, not a monopoly. They just have one of the best products and can command streams of revenue you don’t like or they seek to control costs as all companies do. That doesn’t make them greedy. It makes them smart.

[Ocean Boy]

Read post 693. The entire post.

 

 

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Where in that post does it say that RCI should not make a profit?

[Milwaukee Eight]

Where in that post does it say that RCI should not make a profit?

 

 

 

It was a slam directed at me regarding Shareholders profits. What wrong with that? Without Shareholders you have nothing. Quit taking care of us and watch how long it takes for Royal to plummet. What does anyone have against profitability of a Public company. Royal is not private. MB and Mr Fain report to us. Not C&A members. I just said the likelihood of Royal giving D and above 5 drinks on SeaPass is Zero. The likelihood of taking away a Revenue Space for a Diamond Lounge or Concierge is Zero.

 

As a loyalty member and a shareholder, I would like Royal to offer packages and deals for loyal. Better discounts on DX. Better discounts on VOOM. Discounts on Excursions.

 

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