Rare Cruise Junky Posted March 27, 2019 #1 Share Posted March 27, 2019 https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/holland-america-line-debuts-james-sucklings-guide-to-great-wines-list-with-an-intricate-collection-of-top-rated-wines-2019-03-27 Looks like a new wine list is going fleet wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted March 27, 2019 #2 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It will be interesting to see how this new selection will be priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted March 27, 2019 #3 Share Posted March 27, 2019 We’ll be on board in just a little over 2 weeks. I’ll certainly report on my LIVE thread 🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #4 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I read the article the OP posted. I have no problem with having a variety of wines to try. If I choose to do so. I know what I like and prefer. I am more likely to purchase more of that which I like and prefer than spend money on "experimenting" with wines unknown to me. There was a new wine list on Nieuw Statendam in January. I wonder if this "new wine list" will be the same one as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfocruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #5 Share Posted March 27, 2019 This is from the Article "Designed to help a wine novice make a selection that pleases their palate, the list presents wine aficionados with a range of cellar-worthy gems. All of the "JS 90+" wines by the glass and all of the bottle options were hand-selected by Suckling and consistently received a rating of at least a 90, which is "outstanding" on his 100-point rating scale. The list also features wines by the glass that are Holland America Line favorites and some of the most popular wines at sea." If they are just referencing the JS90 wines they were already rolled out on the NS in December (attached). The wine packages were unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruzin4us Posted March 27, 2019 #6 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I love an article that says "Holland America Line Debuts 'James Suckling's Guide to Great Wines' List with an Intricate Collection of Top Rated Wines" but fails to give the list....lol All I can say, is it's a long time coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #7 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, sfocruiser said: This is from the Article "Designed to help a wine novice make a selection that pleases their palate, the list presents wine aficionados with a range of cellar-worthy gems. All of the "JS 90+" wines by the glass and all of the bottle options were hand-selected by Suckling and consistently received a rating of at least a 90, which is "outstanding" on his 100-point rating scale. The list also features wines by the glass that are Holland America Line favorites and some of the most popular wines at sea." If they are just referencing the JS90 wines they were already rolled out on the NS in December (attached). The wine packages were unchanged. I hoped this was not the situation. The "new wine list" is designed to raise more revenue. Just one example: in the above wine by the glass list, Cloudy Bay for a 9 oz pour is $25. Before the change, Maria Villa could be purchased for $41/bottle! If I recall correctly, Cloudy Bay's price/bottle was $70+. (Villa Maria was not available on Nieuw Statendam.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfocruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #8 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, rkacruiser said: I hoped this was not the situation. The "new wine list" is designed to raise more revenue. Just one example: in the above wine by the glass list, Cloudy Bay for a 9 oz pour is $25. Before the change, Maria Villa could be purchased for $41/bottle! If I recall correctly, Cloudy Bay's price/bottle was $70+. (Villa Maria was not available on Nieuw Statendam.) Yea I agree about being disappointed with the JS90+ list, seems to be a large (larger than usual) markup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvertoGold Posted March 27, 2019 #9 Share Posted March 27, 2019 This is what was on the MDR tables on the Eurodam in January/February. Lots to choose from by the glass. Pricing was high, certainly higher than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walnut99 Posted March 27, 2019 #10 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sfocruiser said: This is from the Article "Designed to help a wine novice make a selection that pleases their palate, the list presents wine aficionados with a range of cellar-worthy gems. All of the "JS 90+" wines by the glass and all of the bottle options were hand-selected by Suckling and consistently received a rating of at least a 90, which is "outstanding" on his 100-point rating scale. The list also features wines by the glass that are Holland America Line favorites and some of the most popular wines at sea." If they are just referencing the JS90 wines they were already rolled out on the NS in December (attached). The wine packages were unchanged. Edited March 27, 2019 by walnut99 reply not included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walnut99 Posted March 27, 2019 #11 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Sfocruiser, I assume they still had wines that were under $9.00 per glass and between $9.00 and $15.00, If not, there would be no reason to consider purchasing or upgrading to the Elite drink package. John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfocruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #12 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, walnut99 said: Sfocruiser, I assume they still had wines that were under $9.00 per glass and between $9.00 and $15.00, If not, there would be no reason to consider purchasing or upgrading to the Elite drink package. John yes! this was an addition. We were back on the NS in Feb and upgraded to the EBP because of the wine selection. the package probably covered about 80% of the normal wines by the glass (not JS90+) Edited March 27, 2019 by sfocruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walnut99 Posted March 27, 2019 #13 Share Posted March 27, 2019 SfoCruiser, Thank you the the response. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted March 27, 2019 #14 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I'm optimistic. Our last few cruises, we carried four to six bottles aboard for a seven day cruise because we found the ship's wines to be less than drinkable. (Actually, we developed our own rating system for the ship's wines. We categorized each wine by how many martini's were necessary for it to taste good, one martini, two martini, etc.) We've looked at the wines in the Signature and Elite packages and weren't impressed by either. We would be willing to pay these prices for 94+ rated wines. Not happy, but willing. We were thinking of upgrading the signature package we have as a part of a promo on our next cruise. Looking forward to feedback on these wines. We might cancel the signature package instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted March 27, 2019 #15 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, kazu said: We’ll be on board in just a little over 2 weeks. I’ll certainly report on my LIVE thread 🙂 See what you can learn about the James's Rock Star Wines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted March 27, 2019 #16 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, rkacruiser said: I hoped this was not the situation. The "new wine list" is designed to raise more revenue. Just one example: in the above wine by the glass list, Cloudy Bay for a 9 oz pour is $25. Before the change, Maria Villa could be purchased for $41/bottle! If I recall correctly, Cloudy Bay's price/bottle was $70+. (Villa Maria was not available on Nieuw Statendam.) I agree. HAL is certainly gouging here, when a 5 oz pour costs more than a full bottle. Unless there is an increase in the SBP ceiling for wines, there are going to be a lot of unhappy passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted March 27, 2019 #17 Share Posted March 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: See what you can learn about the James's Rock Star Wines. I will indeed. I'll also check to see if the wine packages hae changed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gknep Posted March 27, 2019 #18 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I'm a member of the Sokol Blosser wine club and the Evolution Pinot Noir while being a perfectly drinkable wine is their least expensive and meant to be fun and approachable. It is certainly not worth $16 for a 5oz. pour. Looks like I'll be brining my own wine and paying corkage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted March 27, 2019 #19 Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, kazu said: I will indeed. I'll also check to see if the wine packages hae changed. I would appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 27, 2019 #20 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, RocketMan275 said: We categorized each wine by how many martini's were necessary for it to taste good, one martini, two martini, etc.) LOL! There is a bit of "truth" in your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare VMax1700 Posted March 27, 2019 #21 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Currently on K'dam Wine packages are unchanged from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfocruiser Posted March 28, 2019 #22 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) these were some of the bottle selections from the JS90+ list. Note that again this was in addition to the standard wine list at dinner Edited March 28, 2019 by sfocruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted March 28, 2019 #23 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, sfocruiser said: these were some of the bottle selections from the JS90+ list. Not that again this was in addition to the standard wine list at dinner Thank you. That's certainly something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennybear Posted March 28, 2019 #24 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I can live with the champagne prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare terrydtx Posted March 28, 2019 #25 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, Fouremco said: I agree. HAL is certainly gouging here, when a 5 oz pour costs more than a full bottle. Unless there is an increase in the SBP ceiling for wines, there are going to be a lot of unhappy passengers. I agree, the least expensive 5 oz glasses are a dollar or two higher than the $15 Elite BP limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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