clo Posted August 20, 2019 #101 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Icon901 said: cargo pants While out of style, they should, if worn at all, be ironed so those stupid pockets on the side don't bulge out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacruise804 Posted August 20, 2019 #102 Share Posted August 20, 2019 13 hours ago, RocketMan275 said: What I don't understand is this: why do you let another person's apparel affect your 'ambiance'? If you're sitting with two gentlemen, one wearing slacks and the other blue jeans, does their apparel change your appreciation of their company? Do you let their clothing affect your judgement? I surprisingly agree with you. I was surprised how comfortable I was made to feel at Skylon (referenced in my earlier post) which is an upscale restaurant, despite being very casually dressed. I did notice the Maitre 'D being impeccably dressed, but really wasn't aware of other customers. We follow posted dress codes, but it was very nice to find a practical dress code for a tourist area. 9 hours ago, clo said: While out of style, they should, if worn at all, be ironed so those stupid pockets on the side don't bulge out. Those "stupid" pockets will likely bulge out if they are being used to carry anything. I know people who have to carry certain medications with them (epi pens, inhalers, etc) that are more secure in a side pocket with a closure vs. a front pocket where items can slide out when you sit down. Most men don't carry purses/bags so the pockets can be quite functional - not necessarily a style choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 20, 2019 #103 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Icon901 said: Your “tennies” are unacceptable for main dining room (and other lounges/bars) on Celebrity as well as several other lines. The cargo pants (while horribly out of fashion) are suitable.... as is the polo shirt... so you’re good to go there. 🙂 Is that your opinion that 'tennies' are unacceptable? I see no mention in the dress code for Celebrity. Is it terrible to be 'horribly out of fashion'? Isn't 'fashion' just another way of letting others tell you how to dress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 20, 2019 #104 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, pacruise804 said: I surprisingly agree with you. I was surprised how comfortable I was made to feel at Skylon (referenced in my earlier post) which is an upscale restaurant, despite being very casually dressed. I did notice the Maitre 'D being impeccably dressed, but really wasn't aware of other customers. We follow posted dress codes, but it was very nice to find a practical dress code for a tourist area. Those "stupid" pockets will likely bulge out if they are being used to carry anything. I know people who have to carry certain medications with them (epi pens, inhalers, etc) that are more secure in a side pocket with a closure vs. a front pocket where items can slide out when you sit down. Most men don't carry purses/bags so the pockets can be quite functional - not necessarily a style choice. Thank you. The point is this. Why let others decide how you will dress? Why let the opinions of others run your life? Dress as you like (within reasonable limits) and let other dress as they like. I follow the dress codes too but I still question whether they should exist. I wonder which is more 'fashionable'? Cargo pants or a man purse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon901 Posted August 20, 2019 #105 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RocketMan275 said: Is that your opinion that 'tennies' are unacceptable? I see no mention in the dress code for Celebrity. Is it terrible to be 'horribly out of fashion'? Isn't 'fashion' just another way of letting others tell you how to dress? “For shoes, pack flip-flops or waterproof slides for wearing back and forth from the pool and spa. You’ll also want a pair of dressier shoes for Evening Chic nights and your smart casual clothing.” From Celebritycruises.com “how to dress”. Edited August 20, 2019 by Icon901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 20, 2019 #106 Share Posted August 20, 2019 52 minutes ago, Icon901 said: “For shoes, pack flip-flops or waterproof slides for wearing back and forth from the pool and spa. You’ll also want a pair of dressier shoes for Evening Chic nights and your smart casual clothing.” From Celebritycruises.com “how to dress”. The actual dress code doesn't even mention shoes. https://www.celebritycruises.com/company/customer-support/help-and-faqs/during-your-cruise/onboard-dress-code That's one of the problems in these 'how to dress' threads. People insert their opinions of what is 'acceptable' rather than the actual dress code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted August 20, 2019 #107 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, pacruise804 said: Those "stupid" pockets will likely bulge out if they are being used to carry anything. I guess "bulge" was an exaggeration. But when the whole thing is obviously unironed that inverted pleated or whatever sticks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sft429 Posted August 20, 2019 #108 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, clo said: I guess "bulge" was an exaggeration. But when the whole thing is obviously unironed that inverted pleated or whatever sticks out. Oh.... the horror 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted August 20, 2019 #109 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If people are that worried over how I may dress, then I have to wonder, is the problem how I may dress? Or is it something with the person tut tutting? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted August 20, 2019 #110 Share Posted August 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, klfrodo said: If people are that worried over how I may dress, then I have to wonder, is the problem how I may dress? Or is it something with the person tut tutting? The “problem” is generally with the person creating the problem: such as refusing to comply with suggested dress code or, on the other hand, inappropriately “tut tutting”. Nobody really gives a damn about how you dress, but if you pointedly snub your fellow passengers by ignoring requested dress code, is it really unreasonable for them to snub you back? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted August 20, 2019 #111 Share Posted August 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said: such as refusing to comply with suggested dress code or Key word being "Suggested" My BIL is an over the road trucker. His home is his truck. All he owns is what's on his back. There is no way in hell that he's going to buy a jacket and tie. He's got his blue jeans, work boots, some sneakers, and a couple of nice shirts. Yes, he eats in the MDR on formal nights and goes with us into Specialty Restaurants. I'm proud to have him sit with us and enjoy dinner. If he's not welcome at your table,,, well, that says more about you than it does him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare c-boy Posted August 20, 2019 #112 Share Posted August 20, 2019 HUMPH ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon901 Posted August 21, 2019 #113 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, klfrodo said: Key word being "Suggested" My BIL is an over the road trucker. His home is his truck. All he owns is what's on his back. There is no way in hell that he's going to buy a jacket and tie. He's got his blue jeans, work boots, some sneakers, and a couple of nice shirts. Yes, he eats in the MDR on formal nights and goes with us into Specialty Restaurants. I'm proud to have him sit with us and enjoy dinner. If he's not welcome at your table,,, well, that says more about you than it does him. I certainly am not averse to sitting down with folks in jeans and work boots. Most of my best friends are blue collar types, and when the atmosphere/occasion doesn't call for it I'm a jeans/T-Shirt kinda guy 🙂 Love camping, hiking, etc. I just try to be respectful of decorum at certain events/locations. Out of curiosity, what does he wear to weddings or funerals? Edited August 21, 2019 by Icon901 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 21, 2019 #114 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Icon901 said: I certainly am not averse to sitting down with folks in jeans and work boots. Most of my best friends are blue collar types, and when the atmosphere/occasion doesn't call for it I'm a jeans/T-Shirt kinda guy 🙂 Love camping, hiking, etc. I just try to be respectful of decorum at certain events/locations. Out of curiosity, what does he wear to weddings or funerals? One of my former in-laws was married and buried in camo overalls. Realtree Hardwoods IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted August 22, 2019 #115 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Icon901 said: 🙂 Out of curiosity, what does he wear to weddings or funerals? That made me laugh. You obviously don't know my family. I've got family members who live off the land. They have a well on the property but no running water in the house. No indoor toilet. Still using an outhouse. When my parents passed, they showed up to show their respect. My wife had never met them. She thought she was in a Duck Dynasty episode. They cleaned up to the best of their ability, but the most important thing was they were their for their aunt and uncle. THAT's what was important. What they were wearing had no bearing on the love and respect they were showing the family. Regarding my BIL, what would he wear? What he wears on the outside means nothing to what he is on the inside. I can tell you that if you needed his shirt because you were cold or needed it for a tourniquet, he'd give it to you in a heartbeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueSeraSera Posted August 22, 2019 #116 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, klfrodo said: They have a well on the property but no running water in the house. No indoor toilet. Still using an outhouse. I'm not sure I could enjoy a cruise if I had immediate family members needing these things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 22, 2019 #117 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, QueSeraSera said: I'm not sure I could enjoy a cruise if I had immediate family members needing these things Imagine they would be insulted if you tried to change the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted August 22, 2019 #118 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: Imagine they would be insulted if you tried to change the situation. Exactly They are living the life they wanted. They want for nothing. They have a car to get them into town. They barter or work for their neighbors if they need cash, they charge exorbitant fees so city slickers can come hunt on their property. They’re doing okay. I couldn’t survive in their world, nor could they survive in mine. Edited August 22, 2019 by klfrodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted August 22, 2019 #119 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, klfrodo said: What he wears on the outside means nothing to what he is on the inside Of course not. No one is saying that. At least I don't think they are. For his birthday/Christmas/whatever why not give him a pair of Docker-style pants. With his tennies and nice shirt wouldn't he like that look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueSeraSera Posted August 22, 2019 #120 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Well, they are your kin, so none of my business, but running water in the house makes a big difference for some folks, won't say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare brillohead Posted August 22, 2019 #121 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, QueSeraSera said: Well, they are your kin, so none of my business, but running water in the house makes a big difference for some folks, won't say no more. Lots and lots of Amish people live amazingly happy and fulfilling lives without running water, indoor toilets, central heating, electric lights, etc. If people are happy with their choices and it's not hurting anyone else, why should anyone else judge them or try to change them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted August 22, 2019 #122 Share Posted August 22, 2019 12 hours ago, clo said: Of course not. No one is saying that. At least I don't think they are. For his birthday/Christmas/whatever why not give him a pair of Docker-style pants. With his tennies and nice shirt wouldn't he like that look? He would probably prefer a new hunting knife or new blue jeans. My former in-laws lived in a trailer that had been once condemned. They drive 15 year old pickups. I doubt they own a tie. Funny thing, they're probably worth over a million. They could live a different life style but they prefer the one they have. I would never considered trying to change their clothing styles. They would have thought it to be insulting by implying what they had wasn't good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon901 Posted August 22, 2019 #123 Share Posted August 22, 2019 15 hours ago, klfrodo said: Regarding my BIL, what would he wear? What he wears on the outside means nothing to what he is on the inside. I can tell you that if you needed his shirt because you were cold or needed it for a tourniquet, he'd give it to you in a heartbeat. This has taken a bizarre twist... wow 🤣 I'm happy for your and your BIL. I hope you guys have an amazing time on your cruise. Cheers 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldubs Posted August 22, 2019 #124 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 hours ago, brillohead said: If people are happy with their choices and it's not hurting anyone else, why should anyone else judge them or try to change them? Why? Because of dress codes. 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted August 23, 2019 #125 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ldubs said: Why? Because of dress codes. 😀 On another thread someone commented along the lines of 'well, it's just a recommendation.' My reply was something like 'well, when you were a teen and your mother said 'I recommend that you be home by 11' did you really think that was discretionary?' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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