Smoking or Not

[EmmasNana]

I smell smoke on my balcony nearly every cruise. Nothing is ever done unless the smoker is right next to me. I am just told they will look for evidence, but it doesn't stop. 

[HBE4]

25 minutes ago, davekathy said:

For my own curiosity and since we are on a cruise forum, please provide your source showing what cruise lines are losing money due to having smoke free casinos on their ships. Has there been revenue lost by the cruise lines not allowing inside smoking at the bars?  I have no reason to doubt you, but...

 

Post #20 of this thread. About as good of a source as you are going to find.

[HBE4]

42 minutes ago, davekathy said:

Perfect. RC going above others for the smokers on that ship or class of ship.

 

I don't understand this comment. How is Royal going about others for smokers any more than they are going above others by providing FlowRiders and Rock Climbing Wall or loyalty lounges?  95% of the ship is already dedicated non-smoking while the percentage of population that smokes is about 15%.  If anything, they should do more for smokers, such as a dedicated indoor smoking lounge that would allow people to smoke in places other than the casino. Then maybe the casino could be made smoke-free.

 

I'd think that would make you happy.

 

48 minutes ago, davekathy said:

IMO most smokers don't want to be around non smokers. Speaking from personal experience. 

 

Obviously, not knowing your experiences and I don't expect you to share personal information, but I'd summarize it's a case of a few bad apples ruining it for the rest.  Sorry to hear that. The smokers in my family are nothing but extremely courtous to non-smokers.....sometimes too much.

 

 

[Milwaukee Eight]

39 minutes ago, Tatka said:

 

Why?

It was Anthem which sails out of NJ. Now you figure it out. Lol

 

In my opinion 

[Missusdubbya]

5 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

Of course they still make money, People love to gamble. 

 

They would make even more money if they allowed smoking.

 

This is incorrect, casinos on cruise ships out of Australia would not make more money if they allowed smoking.

 

All casinos in Australia (and all public places) are non-smoking since 2004, this is part of our culture and our expectation. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

25 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

Post #20 of this thread. About as good of a source as you are going to find.

I posted #20. On face value Royal conceived it as a 30% loss of revenue and probably was. It was an experiment. The smokers did not know the cruise they had booked would prohibit smoking on the days they were on. They protested for sure. The Casino was nice and not nearly as full as usual and great to play. I spoke to many non smokers who were unaware of the smoking prohibition. Most said if they had known that, they would have played. 

I cruise with MANY NON SMOKERS who say they would play if smoking was PROHIBITED. 

 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Milwaukee Eight

[ryano]

On 11/3/2019 at 4:29 PM, lovelife said:

Pot smokers on each side of balcony cabin. Security would  do nothing. Stateroom attendant also reported them and they still did nothing. Cabin smell was disgusting.

 

My kinda neighbors 

[Tatka]

It was Anthem which sails out of NJ. Now you figure it out. Lol
 
In my opinion 

We sail on her every year. This Thanksgiving will be #4. Haven’t noticed anything special about her in this regard.
I thought you would share... :)

[HBE4]

9 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I posted #20.

 

I know and I thank you for it. 🙂

 

9 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

On face value Royal conceived it as a 30% loss of revenue and probably was. It was an experiment. The smokers did not know the cruise they had booked would prohibit smoking on the days they were on. They protested for sure. The Casino was nice and not nearly as full as usual and great to play. I spoke to many non smokers who were unaware of the smoking prohibition. Most said if they had known that, they would have played. 

 

Royal owns Celebrity and seems to know it's target market.  If you want a non-smoking casino, sail Celebrity. if you smoke or don't mind sharing a casino with smokers, sail Royal.

 

12 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I cruise with MANY NON SMOKERS who say they would play if smoking was PROHIBITED. 

 

They should get behind my idea of air tight, well ventilated indoor smoking lounge dedicated to smokers, thus enabling the casino to become smoke-free and enjoyed by all.

 

[HBE4]

8 minutes ago, Tatka said:

23 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

It was Anthem which sails out of NJ. Now you figure it out. Lol
 
In my opinion 

 

We sail on her every year. This Thanksgiving will be #4. Haven’t noticed anything special about her in this regard.
I thought you would share... 🙂

 

 

I think the implication is there are a lot of pot heads within driving distance of New Jersey.

[Tatka]

Ah... good to know. Thankfully we haven’t noticed this “activity” on Anthem, Adventure or Summit )))

[Milwaukee Eight]

13 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

I think the implication is there are a lot of pot heads within driving distance of New Jersey.

I didn’t think of that. It was more in the line with people who do or do not follow rules. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

19 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

They should get behind my idea of air tight, well ventilated indoor smoking lounge dedicated to smokers, thus enabling the casino to become smoke-free and enjoyed by all.

I disagree Vehemently. At least outside the STENCH and smell of smoke is less likely on ones person. It’s disgusting to us when a smoker comes out of the Casino and Reeks of smoke and hops on the elevator we are on. I don’t believe it’s possible to rid the air of smoke in an indoor area without invading a NON Smokers space. 
 

In my opinion 

[mcgore83]

I am much more bothered by people who use the public restrooms and leave, without washing their hands!

[HBE4]

12 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I disagree Vehemently. At least outside the STENCH and smell of smoke is less likely on ones person. It’s disgusting to us when a smoker comes out of the Casino and Reeks of smoke and hops on the elevator we are on. I don’t believe it’s possible to rid the air of smoke in an indoor area without invading a NON Smokers space. 

 

 

Understandable.

 

Similar to the washy-washy stations outside WJ,  the lounge would need to provide something like this.  Seems to work most of the time.  Not sure if the below link will cause the post to be deleted.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Smoke-Blaster-Natural-Cigarette-Clothing/dp/B01N1X2RXX

 

There are many similar products whose effectiveness ranges widely.  The biggest stumbling block will be getting people to use it.

 

16 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

In my opinion 

 

LOL, of course.

 

As is mine.

 

 

[HBE4]

28 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I didn’t think of that. It was more in the line with people who do or do not follow rules. 

 

ahh, got'cha.

[davekathy]

3 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

Post #20 of this thread. About as good of a source as you are going to find.

Fair enough. I'm in no position to doubt the bean counters. 

[davekathy]

3 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

I don't understand this comment. How is Royal going about others for smokers any more than they are going above others by providing FlowRiders and Rock Climbing Wall or loyalty lounges?  95% of the ship is already dedicated non-smoking while the percentage of population that smokes is about 15%.  If anything, they should do more for smokers, such as a dedicated indoor smoking lounge that would allow people to smoke in places other than the casino. Then maybe the casino could be made smoke-free.

 

I'd think that would make you happy.

 

 

Obviously, not knowing your experiences and I don't expect you to share personal information, but I'd summarize it's a case of a few bad apples ruining it for the rest.  Sorry to hear that. The smokers in my family are nothing but extremely courtous to non-smokers.....sometimes too much.

 

 

 

I was commenting on your post concerning what the Anthem provides smokers.  Not all ships or cruise lines provide smokers what you posted the Anthem does. I respectfully disagree with you that RC should do more for smokers. IMO RC should take Celebrity's lead. I wonder why the RCCL bean counters aren't concerned with Celebrity losing casino dollars based on post #20. We cruise with both RC and Celebrity. For us their smoking policies have nothing to do why we cruise with either of them. The many good reasons out weigh the very few bad reasons. 

Not all non smokers are courteous of smokers like not all smokers are not courteous of non smokers. It goes both ways. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by davekathy

[island lady]

16 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

I remember those days.  The non-smoking sections were a joke.  The tables would be less than 2 feet away from the smoking tables.  Even my 2+ pack-a-day parents wouldn't light up even though they were allowed at the time. They couldn't understand how someone couldn't wait to finish their meal before lighting up.

 

Yup, I think that was where most of it came from.  Once they finished, they lingered over coffee after dinner and lit them up.  Was not conducive to turning tables when they did that either.  😉 

[island lady]

15 hours ago, Missusdubbya said:

 

This is incorrect, casinos on cruise ships out of Australia would not make more money if they allowed smoking.

 

All casinos in Australia (and all public places) are non-smoking since 2004, this is part of our culture and our expectation. 

 

And is another reason I am so looking forward to my cruises out of Sydney!  🙂 

Edited November 6, 2019 by island lady

[island lady]

12 hours ago, davekathy said:

 

I was commenting on your post concerning what the Anthem provides smokers.  Not all ships or cruise lines provide smokers what you posted the Anthem does. I respectfully disagree with you that RC should do more for smokers. IMO RC should take Celebrity's lead. I wonder why the RCCL bean counters aren't concerned with Celebrity losing casino dollars based on post #20. We cruise with both RC and Celebrity. For us their smoking policies have nothing to do why we cruise with either of them. The many good reasons out weigh the very few bad reasons. 

Not all non smokers are courteous of smokers like not all smokers are not courteous of non smokers. It goes both ways. 

 

Agree...as usual my DS friend.  🙂 

 

It's like the many that swore off RCI when they eliminated smoking from balconies.  They insisted they would never sail with Royal again...and then it was obvious that many came back (and we all know of one well known reviewer that did that ....Choo-Choo! 😉  ).  

 

So many new and larger ships coming on board, and none of them are sailing empty.  I think the casinos would eventually gain more customers, IMHO.  I know the smoke keeps me out of there...but that is probably a good thing. $$$  😄 

[BopRN]

I always bring a medical mask with me because there are people who will smoke on the balcony at night when no one can see them. My DH laughs at me but I refuse to let some jerk ruin my balcony time. Can't stand the stink. And when the ship is sailing, the backwind often carries the smoke.

We have also reported smokers that we could see and security was there quickly.

[jstraw20]

On 11/3/2019 at 1:30 PM, Floridastorm said:

 Does this also refer to things like Vaping?

 

You'll never know for sure if someone has vaped in your stateroom.

[grapau27]

On 11/5/2019 at 3:17 PM, davekathy said:

Celebrity doesn't allow inside smoking ,anywhere no matter where they sail from. 👍 They are still afloat and the casinos are always busy. And don't smell. I asked my Magic 8 Ball why RC doesn't follow Celebrity's lead and it' says, "reply hazy (from all the smoke), try again". 😂

No indoor smoking from Southampton which is fantastic.

 

[davekathy]

2 hours ago, grapau27 said:

No indoor smoking from Southampton which is fantastic.

 

Sounds good to me.