Carnival needs Judge approval to Sail

[chengkp75]

4 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

By passing systems does have an effect. Such as the A/C filtering systems. So you are only picking certain ones just for the environment? Did not read that way.

Guess what.  If the ship bypassed the A/C filtering system, the environmental auditors, the Court Appointed Monitor, and the Judge would not find that to be a violation of any title of MARPOL, and so outside their jurisdiction.  They could take out all the air filters, fully recirculate the air in the ship, and go blithely on their way as far as Judge Seitz and the DOJ are concerned.

 

But, as you know, I consider HEPA filters on the HVAC system to be 90% window dressing;  something a lay person can "understand" yet doesn't really do anything.  And, how long do you think the more expensive HEPA filters will last, once the pandemic comes under control?

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

2 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

And surface contact transmission has been shown to be a very minor vector of transmission for covid.  I'm in close contact with someone in a grocery store for a few minutes, and everyone in the store for an hour or so, while on a ship, I'm in close contact with someone just about all day.

Maybe you. People are not all the same. We never sit next to others if at all possible. In the theater an hour or less. At dinner. We sit at a table for two or the buffet. At the casino, we do slots and do not sit next to another person unless they sit down after we started playing. Not for hours either. Never sit at the bar. Order a drink or get one and go to a table. So yes there are those that might be next to people all day. The only place you are tested for the covid19 is before you go on the ship. No business on land does that, that I know of. So will we feel safer going on a cruise than to the grocery store. You bet.

[chengkp75]

Not sure what cruise ship you've been on, but notice, again, what I actually said.  I did not say that you are near to the same person all day on a cruise ship, but even sitting at a table in restaurant or bar, or in the theater, someone, sometime is close to you.  Not necessarily the same person, but how do you know who each and every person you are close to has been close to in their travels around the ship.

[Earthworm Jim]

13 hours ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

If cruise ships use double testing I agree probably safe on board. The issue for most cruisers is getting to and from the ship.  Transport, meals, lodging are significant.   Got to remember that it only takes one asymptomatic cruiser to create a big problem.

 

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. You say with double testing it's probably safe, then you go on to say the weakness in double testing that would make it not safe. But I think we're on the same page.

 

Cruise passenger takes Covid test before they leave home. Negative! Great! They go to the airport, wait in the security line, wait at their gate, board the plane while the air circulation system is turned off (while the plane is operating it's claimed the risk isn't really that bad), file slowly out of the plane with air circulation off at their destination, wait with the other passengers at baggage claim, take a taxi or shuttle to their hotel, go it to dinner that evening. Are they still uninfected after all that? Who knows? Will a test at the ship the next morning reveal whether they got infected during travel? No, insufficient incubation time.

 

In the end all the cruise lines can do is reduce the risk of having an outbreak onboard. But sooner or later, there will be a few cases when cruises resume. The question is what will be the CDC reaction to that? If it's handled correctly will that just be an indication that the protocols work, carry on and keep it up? Or will the CDC see that as reason to shut down that ship, or even all cruising again?

Edited October 23, 2020 by Earthworm Jim

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1 hour ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Maybe you. People are not all the same. We never sit next to others if at all possible. In the theater an hour or less. At dinner. We sit at a table for two or the buffet. At the casino, we do slots and do not sit next to another person unless they sit down after we started playing. Not for hours either. Never sit at the bar. Order a drink or get one and go to a table. So yes there are those that might be next to people all day. The only place you are tested for the covid19 is before you go on the ship. No business on land does that, that I know of. So will we feel safer going on a cruise than to the grocery store. You bet.

You’ll be near someone eventually. You can’t deflect from others forever when you’re all stuck on the same ship together. It’s physically impossible unless you self quarantine. Plenty of organizations on land require a Covid test prior to utilizing their services or while working on their behalf.

[ontheweb]

4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

And, again, I am speaking to the subject of this thread: Carnival's environmental compliance probation, not to Covid mediation measures, and to ontheweb's question whether because Mardi Gras is new would it be held to the same standards of environmental compliance as the rest of the fleet.

Actually what I was asking, or at least meaning to ask, was would it be easier to comply on a ship being built. It is often harder to correct problems than it is to do it right from the start.

[sunonfire]

https://cruiseradio.net/judges-ruling-clears-path-for-carnival-december-1-sailing/

[PhillyFan33579]

22 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Maybe you. People are not all the same. We never sit next to others if at all possible. In the theater an hour or less. At dinner. We sit at a table for two or the buffet. At the casino, we do slots and do not sit next to another person unless they sit down after we started playing. Not for hours either. Never sit at the bar. Order a drink or get one and go to a table. So yes there are those that might be next to people all day. The only place you are tested for the covid19 is before you go on the ship. No business on land does that, that I know of. So will we feel safer going on a cruise than to the grocery store. You bet.

Unless you stay in your cabin the entire cruise, you are going to be in the vicinity of other people no matter where you go on the ship. 

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Unless you stay in your cabin the entire cruise, you are going to be in the vicinity of other people no matter where you go on the ship. 

And for many of us meeting other interesting people is one of the perks of being on a cruise. On all but one cruise, I would say there were many pleasant, interesting people to interact with. (My one exception was the NCL Epic, on which I found the least friendly interactions with others. I thought it was because the ship was just too damn BIG. DW thought it was because it was a Mediterranean cruise, but we were also on the Mediterranean with RCL and Princess and those ships were not unfriendly.

[BlerkOne]

I thought everyone washed their hands and food after shopping, but maybe it's just me. Sometimes. But its my responsibility.

 

I think a lot of precautions being taken to mitigate covid will stick because I think they will also help mitigate noro and for that matter normal colds and flu that many people complain about after taken