DeSantis Meets With White House

[KennyFla]

Ron Desantis is taking his case to the White House to get US cruising re-started.

 

https://www.wesh.com/article/cruises-return-florida-governor-white-house/34497947

 

Hopefully he can get ahead of the CDC extending the no-sail order and it will expire this weekend.  Fingers crossed.

[sidari]

Did cruise lines not suspend until the end of November volunterily ? Also Virgin have cancelled theirs to January 3rd.

[KennyFla]

13 minutes ago, sidari said:

Did cruise lines not suspend until the end of November volunterily ? Also Virgin have cancelled theirs to January 3rd.

 

They did.  But until the CDC gives the green light and not this monthly wait until the last minute rollercoaster, that doesn't mean anything.

[Formula280SS]

The most pertinent decisions are based on the most current trend of facts; # of cases is not a reliable indicator of anything other than emotions.  The number of cases that are symptomatic and end in death are a reliable indicator and resources should be the focus on the 'at risk not the 'not at risk.  Whether it is in New Hampshire, Massachusetts here in New England, in the USA or even Sweden, the case counts are revealed to be simply emotional propagations.

 

Cumulative data is not only less reliable, it's totally irrelevant as the March-June period is 'akin to the invasion period.  Also, what happened on the Golden and Diamond Princess back in March is clearly no indicator was to what the protocols in place in October would yield.  The same as March-June for all countries around the world, much has been learned.  The MSC Grandiosa protocol, a conceptual model to inch resumption, with federal, state and local government team involvement, will certainly be different that the 'blindside that hit Golden and Diamond Princess (and the rest of the world).

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/covid-19-by-the-numbers-mortality-rates-in-u-s-decrease-despite-uptick-in-cases/

 

COVID-19 by the Numbers: Mortality Rates in U.S. Decrease, Despite Uptick in Cases

Edited October 28, 2020 by Formula280SS

[Oxo]

COVID-19 by the Numbers: Mortality Rates in U.S. Decrease, Despite Uptick in Cases

Agree with your posting. However, what happens on board if passengers test positive during the cruise? That is a big concern for all as past cruise history shows from the Golden and Diamond Princess. Ships could not dock in ports, people stranded in cabins, etc.

Stay Safe!

[Sunshine3601]

Not good to see that some of the european cruise lines are pausing their sailings due to high cases in various countries.    France and Germany are entering into their 2nd lockdowns and Italy is enforcing stricter regulations and others such as Spain, UK, Poland, the list goes on....again...

  

Guess it is better they pause now then have a problem because we all know bad press about cruise ships is the last thing they need.   

[sidari]

52 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Not good to see that some of the european cruise lines are pausing their sailings due to high cases in various countries.    France and Germany are entering into their 2nd lockdowns and Italy is enforcing stricter regulations and others such as Spain, UK, Poland, the list goes on....again...

  

Guess it is better they pause now then have a problem because we all know bad press about cruise ships is the last thing they need.   

MSC are not pausing cruises in Europe.

[hamrag]

1 hour ago, sidari said:

MSC are not pausing cruises in Europe.

Not yet! 😉

[Oxo]

1 hour ago, sidari said:

MSC are not pausing cruises in Europe.

Would you cruise now out of Europe/US? 

[Tapi]

13 hours ago, KennyFla said:

Ron Desantis is taking his case to the White House to get US cruising re-started.

Desantis is probably feeling under a lot of pressure since being threatened by someone with being fired.  

[rkacruiser]

While I don't agree with what Governor DeSantis has done during this pandemic, this attempt to encourage a permission to try to re-start the hospitality and cruise industry in his State is laudable.  Is it wise from a wellness standpoint for those who work in the industry?  Would it be in the best interests of those who visit the great State of Florida to embark a cruise at this time?  Would such a beginning be in the best interest for the well being of the citizens of Florida?  

 

TBD.  

[Sunshine3601]

1 hour ago, sidari said:

MSC are not pausing cruises in Europe.

I received this last night from a fellow cruiser. 

[mpdog42]

1 hour ago, rkacruiser said:

While I don't agree with what Governor DeSantis has done during this pandemic, this attempt to encourage a permission to try to re-start the hospitality and cruise industry in his State is laudable.  Is it wise from a wellness standpoint for those who work in the industry?  Would it be in the best interests of those who visit the great State of Florida to embark a cruise at this time?  Would such a beginning be in the best interest for the well being of the citizens of Florida?  

 

TBD.  

To me that would be for the citizens of Florida to decide

[Norwich Cruiser]

5 hours ago, sidari said:

MSC are not pausing cruises in Europe.

From my understanding they are pausing them in Europe.

[Bgwest]

13 hours ago, Formula280SS said:

The most pertinent decisions are based on the most current trend of facts; # of cases is not a reliable indicator of anything other than emotions.  The number of cases that are symptomatic and end in death are a reliable indicator and resources should be the focus on the 'at risk not the 'not at risk.  Whether it is in New Hampshire, Massachusetts here in New England, in the USA or even Sweden, the case counts are revealed to be simply emotional propagations.

 

Cumulative data is not only less reliable, it's totally irrelevant as the March-June period is 'akin to the invasion period.  Also, what happened on the Golden and Diamond Princess back in March is clearly no indicator was to what the protocols in place in October would yield.  The same as March-June for all countries around the world, much has been learned.  The MSC Grandiosa protocol, a conceptual model to inch resumption, with federal, state and local government team involvement, will certainly be different that the 'blindside that hit Golden and Diamond Princess (and the rest of the world).

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/covid-19-by-the-numbers-mortality-rates-in-u-s-decrease-despite-uptick-in-cases/

 

COVID-19 by the Numbers: Mortality Rates in U.S. Decrease, Despite Uptick in Cases

Very intelligent post. Clearly you are not of the Chicken Little mindset and you are to be commended for that. 

[crazyank]

2 hours ago, Norwich Cruiser said:

From my understanding they are pausing them in Europe.

The sale of cruises on Grandiosa and Magnifica has been suspended.  No word yet on cruises due to sail in the near future.  Germany has restricted travel to Italy and we expect to see border closings shortly

[sidari]

 

3 hours ago, crazyank said:

The sale of cruises on Grandiosa and Magnifica has been suspended.  No word yet on cruises due to sail in the near future.  Germany has restricted travel to Italy and we expect to see border closings shortly

 “In response to recent misleading posts on social media, #MSCCruises wishes to make it clear that any suggestions of a halt to its Mediterranean operations are completely false and have no basis in fact. MSC Cruises continues to operate successfully in the Mediterranean thanks to a protocol that has evolved and strengthened since the August restart in response to the evolution of the pandemic ashore. As a result guests, crew and the communities they visit are better protected by ever more stringent measures.”

 

The sale of cruises to those in the Netherlands had been halted due to the rise in cases in Italy, 

Edited October 29, 2020 by sidari

[sidari]

10 hours ago, Oxo said:

Would you cruise now out of Europe/US? 

Currently we in the UK do not have a choice so any answer would be pointless.

[Formula280SS]

6 hours ago, Bgwest said:

Very intelligent post. Clearly you are not of the Chicken Little mindset and you are to be commended for that. 

 

It's been an evolution. 

 

I'm a pre-virus serious germaphobe (flying, hotels, resorts, cruises) that is not bothered by the C19 protocols.  IMO, masks in public, hygiene hand cleaning and enhanced facilities cleaning is real plus to prevent the spread of colds and the flu so I like the benefits of such.

 

IMO, the virus has been highjacked and weaponized in so many ways it's too much to enumerate.  The data does not support any governmental over reach to all age groups and all personal health categories.  It's a waste of existing resources (medical and financial) and an economic extinction sentence on individuals, families, business and entire local, state and national entities.

 

If one is in the at-risk for death age/health categories, secure, isolate and support them with the resources.  If one is not, conduct life under enhanced protocols until vaccines and therapeutics are demonstrably and successfully introduced and do not interact with those identified as at risk in a manner that threatens infection.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Formula280SS

[sidari]

https://www.cruisehive.com/carnival-owned-cruise-line-temporarily-pauses-operations/43003?fbclid=IwAR3xbWhG8RF3dwFgNI2lZLOFwWQF0jzTnKmRx_vCMYopwgJTHiUNC25uNZo

[DCGuy64]

Tui is taking a different approach.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23774-tui-cruises-will-go-ahead-despite-german-lockdown.html

[Bgwest]

5 hours ago, Formula280SS said:

 

It's been an evolution. 

 

I'm a pre-virus serious germaphobe (flying, hotels, resorts, cruises) that is not bothered by the C19 protocols.  IMO, masks in public, hygiene hand cleaning and enhanced facilities cleaning is real plus to prevent the spread of colds and the flu so I like the benefits of such.

 

IMO, the virus has been highjacked and weaponized in so many ways it's too much to enumerate.  The data does not support any governmental over reach to all age groups and all personal health categories.  It's a waste of existing resources (medical and financial) and an economic extinction sentence on individuals, families, business and entire local, state and national entities.

 

If one is in the at-risk for death age/health categories, secure, isolate and support them with the resources.  If one is not, conduct life under enhanced protocols until vaccines and therapeutics are demonstrably and successfully introduced and do not interact with those identified as at risk in a manner that threatens infection.

 

 

Another incredibly intelligent and insightful post. Bravo!!

[crazyank]

20 hours ago, sidari said:

 “In response to recent misleading posts on social media, #MSCCruises wishes to make it clear that any suggestions of a halt to its Mediterranean operations are completely false and have no basis in fact. MSC Cruises continues to operate successfully in the Mediterranean thanks to a protocol that has evolved and strengthened since the August restart in response to the evolution of the pandemic ashore. As a result guests, crew and the communities they visit are better protected by ever more stringent measures.”

 

The sale of cruises to those in the Netherlands had been halted due to the rise in cases in Italy, 

Thanks for the update. MSC customer service in Munich told us a few minutes ago that they expect the same pause in sales for Germany for the same reason.

[Formula280SS]

On 10/29/2020 at 6:33 AM, sidari said:

 

 “In response to recent misleading posts on social media, #MSCCruises wishes to make it clear that any suggestions of a halt to its Mediterranean operations are completely false and have no basis in fact. MSC Cruises continues to operate successfully in the Mediterranean thanks to a protocol that has evolved and strengthened since the August restart in response to the evolution of the pandemic ashore. As a result guests, crew and the communities they visit are better protected by ever more stringent measures.”

 

The sale of cruises to those in the Netherlands had been halted due to the rise in cases in Italy, 

 

Again, thanks for sharing the information.

 

Hopefully it is clear, from this and other informative posts, the cause is noted as "negative travel advice" (about the virus 'cases on the ground in) for Italy and have not been, and are not because of, any outbreak of consequential virus cases on MSC ships that have been cruising since August.