Lots of Carnival ships at CDC GREEN!

[BlerkOne]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

including Panorama and now Horizon...

[stellarose]

what about Mardi Gras?????

 

[MeganGC1983]

3 minutes ago, stellarose said:

what about Mardi Gras?????

 

Mardi Gras hasn’t entered US waters yet, so I don’t believe it has started the process to turn green. 

[stellarose]

it should automatically be green. no one has been on it. fingers crossed. 

[cruisingguy007]

Oh boy! Panorama Green! Hope this is a good sign! Still hopeful for April and hope to see a cruise line resurrection by Easter.  😃 

[sailingships]

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

 

What about the Legend ? She was due to leave Tampa March 26 for a 15 day TA to Barcelona arriving April 10, then dry dock and then starting cruising May 17 around the Med. Now that the March 26 cruise has been cancelled she has just been south of The Bahamas and now around St Maarten. Theres no mention of her in that list.

[jperry2011]

In simple terms what does this mean? The ships being green now?

I thought there was a no sail order from the cdc? 

I don't see us cruising for atleast 3 more months until most of the US population has access to the vaccine..

[MeganGC1983]

23 minutes ago, jperry2011 said:

In simple terms what does this mean? The ships being green now?

I thought there was a no sail order from the cdc? 

I don't see us cruising for atleast 3 more months until most of the US population has access to the vaccine..

 

[Cruiseboy06]

Green means CREW only transportation and transfers.......  It's not for Actual passengers......... 

[BlerkOne]

58 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

Green means CREW only transportation and transfers.......  It's not for Actual passengers......... 

 

As a condition of obtaining or retaining permission to engage in any cruise ship operations in U.S. waters, the Framework for Conditional Sailing Orderpdf icon, published in the Federal Registerexternal icon on November 4, 2020, requires that cruise ship operators take adequate safeguards for crew, as demonstrated through laboratory testing for SARS-CoV-2 infection and other measures, to prevent, mitigate, and respond to the risk of COVID-19 on board cruise ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ProgRockCruiser]

7 hours ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

Green means CREW only transportation and transfers.......  It's not for Actual passengers......... 

 

6 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

As a condition of obtaining or retaining permission to engage in any cruise ship operations in U.S. waters, the Framework for Conditional Sailing Orderpdf icon, published in the Federal Registerexternal icon on November 4, 2020, requires that cruise ship operators take adequate safeguards for crew, as demonstrated through laboratory testing for SARS-CoV-2 infection and other measures, to prevent, mitigate, and respond to the risk of COVID-19 on board cruise ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right.  This particular chart showing ships going green means those ships are now one step closer to sailing, not that they have full approval to start sailing.

 

"As a condition..." not "As the only condition..."

 

So it is a good sign, but AFAIK we are not privy to the additional detailed steps that the CDC is requiring for each particular cruise line or ship.

[jsglow]

As Prog said, it's the first necessary step and allow them to get crew via commercial flights.  At some point each and every ship will need to do a 'test sail' without passengers prior to resuming operations.  But you can't get to step 10 until you do step 1.

[BlerkOne]

4 hours ago, jsglow said:

As Prog said, it's the first necessary step and allow them to get crew via commercial flights.  At some point each and every ship will need to do a 'test sail' without passengers prior to resuming operations.  But you can't get to step 10 until you do step 1.

without revenue passengers, aka volunteers.

[kdr69]

On 12/30/2020 at 5:38 PM, MeganGC1983 said:

Am wondering why if the below conditions are listed as the reasons a ship will be listed as Green then how are ships that were Green going to Provisional Green?  I can see going from Red to Provisional to Green but if you are listed as Green meaning youve met these two conditions how do you go backwards?  Just curious.

 

[chengkp75]

On 12/30/2020 at 4:38 PM, MeganGC1983 said:

Mardi Gras hasn’t entered US waters yet, so I don’t believe it has started the process to turn green. 

Doesn't matter whether the ship is in US waters or not, if they are planning on entering US waters, they need to have submitted the EDC (enhanced data collection) form for crew health 28 days prior to obtaining a "green" status.

On 12/30/2020 at 4:54 PM, stellarose said:

it should automatically be green. no one has been on it. fingers crossed. 

Nope, a "green" status relates only to crew, and crew health.  As noted, the crew needs to be free from covid symptoms, or active cases, and this needs to be documented with weekly data forms 28 days in advance of obtaining the "green" status.

On 12/30/2020 at 7:15 PM, jperry2011 said:

In simple terms what does this mean? The ships being green now?

I thought there was a no sail order from the cdc? 

I don't see us cruising for atleast 3 more months until most of the US population has access to the vaccine..

"Green" status allows the ships to crew change using commercial transportation, that's all.  It is, however a precursor to obtaining the Conditional Sailing Certificate which would allow the ships to start their training and "simulated" cruises to test the protocols and procedures.  The "no sail order" was lifted in October.

[chengkp75]

36 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

 

Sorry, the quote didn't copy.  Anyway, I'm not sure how a ship goes from green to "provisional", unless the company has changed their plan, and resubmitted it, and CDC has not approved the plan.  Ships can go backwards and forwards on the color code, going from green to yellow if there is one case of covid among the crew, or green to red if they forgot to submit the crew health data for the week.

[kdr69]

15 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Sorry, the quote didn't copy.  Anyway, I'm not sure how a ship goes from green to "provisional", unless the company has changed their plan, and resubmitted it, and CDC has not approved the plan.  Ships can go backwards and forwards on the color code, going from green to yellow if there is one case of covid among the crew, or green to red if they forgot to submit the crew health data for the week.

thanks chengkp75

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

Just posted this, but not on this topic. Last evening Jan 1st. on the news cruise lines must do trial cruises with voluntary passengers and then get approved after that. Then 60 days later before resuming regular cruises. So far from Florida. No trial cruises have started.

[chengkp75]

3 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Just posted this, but not on this topic. Last evening Jan 1st. on the news cruise lines must do trial cruises with voluntary passengers and then get approved after that. Then 60 days later before resuming regular cruises. So far from Florida. No trial cruises have started.

That's been known since October when the Conditional Sailing Order replaced the No Sail Order.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

18 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

That's been known since October when the Conditional Sailing Order replaced the No Sail Order.

Guess you missed the update. (What you are referring to is old news. Trial cruises are required) What I posted is not.

As of January 1st 2021, No trial cruises YET from any port in Florida. Once that happens and approved they are saying it will be 60 days later before cruising will resume.

[chengkp75]

44 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Guess you missed the update. (What you are referring to is old news. Trial cruises are required) What I posted is not.

As of January 1st 2021, No trial cruises YET from any port in Florida. Once that happens and approved they are saying it will be 60 days later before cruising will resume.

Where did you get this information?  There has been no update of the "Framework for Conditional Sailing Order for Cruise Ships" on the CDC website since Oct 30.  Is this a Carnival announcement/decision?

[quattrohead]

Pretty sure that 60 day gap was always in the CDC guidance.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

1 hour ago, quattrohead said:

Pretty sure that 60 day gap was always in the CDC guidance.

The CDC guidance had nothing to do with the 6o days. That is what the cruise lines estimated time line to start cruises after approval.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

5 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Where did you get this information?  There has been no update of the "Framework for Conditional Sailing Order for Cruise Ships" on the CDC website since Oct 30.  Is this a Carnival announcement/decision?

Guess you missed it in my first post. The Friday evening NEWS covering Florida

[Gin-soaked bar-room queen]

The 60 days were referred to at the bottom of page 28 of the CDC order from October where it discussed applying for a Conditional Sailing Certificate (which happens after the test sailings). It sounds like the news report on January 1was just using that October document as its source of information and perhaps adding that no test cruises have happened yet.