voljeep Posted June 22, 2022 #101 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Ombud said: FCC on March 2023 cruise is 'Cash Value FCC-voy" does that mean you could actually cash that in and get a refund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted June 22, 2022 Author #102 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, voljeep said: does that mean you could actually cash that in and get a refund? Yes I could cash that 1 of 7 in. But almost all of it will be gone by end of year. Just 73.44 rolling into next year from that in next year, in process of reorganizing so that a little more will roll over. Less than 200 total but that's after 5 cruises after 8/15/21 and only paid out 3 deposits using old gift cards. (All gift cards will also be gone - PCL can't afford too many cruisers like me) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted June 23, 2022 #103 Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 9:27 AM, Ombud said: 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ambassador Ambirnce 11. Sea Princess > Sanya Int Cruise Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara 14. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande 15. AIDAmira -> Ambassador TBD 16. AIDAvita -> ??? Scrapped: 17. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 19. Carnival Inspiration 20. Carnival Fascination 21. Carnival Imagination 22. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 23. Carnival Sensation 1993 POAU Pacific Jewel -> Jaleesh Karnika was not included in the list as that was sold pre-covid (2019) and not as a result of CCL trying to rapidly lighten its debt AIDAmira will be Ambassador Ambition Costa neoRomantica is being scrapped 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted June 24, 2022 Author #104 Share Posted June 24, 2022 This has nothing to do with CCL lightening load (which I why I keep track) but found it interesting: https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27738-13-million-for-crystal-cruises-brand-website-and-more.html So now they bought the ships, name, and passenger list. Crystal Cruises rises again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted August 4, 2022 #105 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) On 6/22/2022 at 10:35 AM, Ombud said: @mtnesterzplease add if you find out AIDAvita's new name Don't have a ship name yet, but a creditable source names Cordelia Cruises of India as the buyer. They are a new startup from 2020 and have one 32 year old ship. Whether buying a second ship or upgrading to something 12 years newer, I don't know. Edited August 4, 2022 by mtnesterz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. B. Posted August 4, 2022 #106 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I would love to cruise on Crystal again IF the quality is still there. Also because they did not charge extra for a Solo cruise guest in the past. No telling if that will survive with the new owners. As for Cordelia Cruises the India market is potentially Huge. Like China those are demographics with specific dining and entertainment preferences. Look at all the new build ships that Were intended to serve the China Market before the Pandemic derailed a lot of that planning. We were on RCCL's Wonder for one of it's first (US) cruises and the enclosed forward Solarium was built as an Enclosed adult area instead of being Open as on the other Oasis class ships because it was originally intended to serve the China market. That was Super with Me as I don't like baking in the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted August 4, 2022 Author #107 Share Posted August 4, 2022 58 minutes ago, D. B. said: I would love to cruise on Crystal again IF the quality is still there. Also because they did not charge extra for a Solo cruise guest in the past. No telling if that will survive with the new owners. As for Cordelia Cruises the India market is potentially Huge. Like China those are demographics with specific dining and entertainment preferences. Look at all the new build ships that Were intended to serve the China Market before the Pandemic derailed a lot of that planning. We were on RCCL's Wonder for one of it's first (US) cruises and the enclosed forward Solarium was built as an Enclosed adult area instead of being Open as on the other Oasis class ships because it was originally intended to serve the China market. That was Super with Me as I don't like baking in the Sun. Same with the Hollywood Conservatory on the Majestic Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted August 18, 2022 #108 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Article from Cruise Industry News on this topic: https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27964-carnival-pandemic-ship-moves-23-ships-have-now-left-the-fleet.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted August 18, 2022 Author #109 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ambassador Ambience 11. Sea Princess > Foresee Cruises Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara Onward 14. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande 15. AIDAmira -> Ambassador Ambition 16. AIDAvita-> left June 2022. Scrapped: 17. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 19. Carnival Inspiration 20. Carnival Fascination 21. Carnival Imagination 22. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 23. Carnival Sensation 1993 24. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 (exiting fleet in October) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted August 20, 2022 #110 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 10:12 AM, Ombud said: 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ambassador Ambience 11. Sea Princess > Foresee Cruises Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara Onward 14. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande 15. AIDAmira -> Ambassador Ambition 16. AIDAvita-> left June 2022. Scrapped: 17. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 19. Carnival Inspiration 20. Carnival Fascination 21. Carnival Imagination 22. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 23. Carnival Sensation 1993 24. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 (exiting fleet in October) I don't mean to be nitpicking but Carnival Ecstasy is on there twice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted August 20, 2022 Author #111 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, CarnivalShips480 said: I don't mean to be nitpicking but Carnival Ecstasy is on there twice.... You're right .... so what is #24?? Corrected: 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ambassador Ambience 11. Sea Princess > Foresee Cruises Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara Onward 14. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande 15. AIDAmira -> Ambassador Ambition 16. AIDAvita-> left June 2022. Scrapped: 17. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 19. Carnival Inspiration 20. Carnival Fascination 21. Carnival Imagination 22. Carnival Sensation 1993 23. Carnival Ecstasy 1991 leaving October 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted September 30, 2022 Author #112 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Time to sell a few more?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisingrob21 Posted September 30, 2022 #113 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ombud said: Time to sell a few more?? Sure seems like it. Might actually get more than they did in the past - during covid everything was a fire sale I would imagine. Then again, a tough time to push forward with expansion for a new cruise line or small operators. Margaritaville could sure take advantage of some deals - they seem to be fine with picking up second hand ships. Alternatively, cruise lines could pick up some older ships to bridge the time until newbuilds come along, but the operational cost of older ships is significant. I could also see some "milk run" itineraries being shortened in distance and speeds being slowed to allow ships to allow longer casino opening hours, more onboard bar service, and more onboard revenue. These might also blend well into close to home cruises to match customers desire to save money on long distance flights. Princess sailing out of Galveston might be a really smart move to reach the western caribbean and pull from Texas. Princess and HAL have started offering some shoulder season itineraries between Seattle and Vancouver with a stop in Victoria and or Astoria. Add in Nanaimo and a day or two at sea and there are very short cruises that are reasonably scenic and good to build a stronger base of passengers on the west coast. These voyages would be relatively calm, and if ran in summer replacing one or two week long alaska voyages, might be real winners if they sell. I think there are still issues with too many big new ships. Although the cost to operate is less per passenger than smaller ships, that assumes the ships sail near full and that can't be easy in the offseasons or shoulder seasons. Edited September 30, 2022 by cruisingrob21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted October 1, 2022 #114 Share Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/30/2022 at 1:09 PM, Ombud said: Time to sell a few more?? Sorry, but don't understand your reasoning. Interested in your thoughts in more detail. Why and which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted October 1, 2022 Author #115 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Some debt will evaporate end of year as unused Goodwill FCC will expire but leaves them debt heavy / extremely low fares (my next 10 day balcony cruise is 1325 & EZAIR is 614. No way those fares should be that close with current fuel costs) / 2nd wallets were wide open last summer but not so much now. My thoughts: > Not Diamond, Sapphire, or Coral. Not really small ships at 2k capacity but close. Not oldest in fleet So with shifting 2 Costa vessels into Carnival Cruise Lines, does that free up Carnival Elation & Paradise for the auction block?? Ages of oldest still in fleet: 1997: POAU Explorer 1998: Carnival Elation & Paradise 1999: HAL MS Volendam 2000: HAL MS Zaandam 2000: PO Aurora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted October 4, 2022 #116 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) Not Elation and Paradise! 😰 Edited October 4, 2022 by CarnivalShips480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted October 4, 2022 #117 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I don't want any more ships to be sold. I think that Ecstasy is good for Margaritaville but everyone else might disagree, including Margaritaville. I don't get why they have only 2 night cruises to the same place over and over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NownZen Posted October 4, 2022 #118 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, CarnivalShips480 said: I don't want any more ships to be sold. I think that Ecstasy is good for Margaritaville but everyone else might disagree, including Margaritaville. I don't get why they have only 2 night cruises to the same place over and over again If the ship is the destination, it does not matter where you go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted October 4, 2022 Author #119 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Soon what's this chatter about major changes coming re: Costa?? I mean more than shifting a few ships to CCL to beef them up. The Saudi wanted Seaborn but are they now talking Costa name & remaining 10 ships? (2 already Costa by Carnival Cruises) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ldtr Posted October 4, 2022 #120 Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 10:02 AM, Ombud said: Same with the Hollywood Conservatory on the Majestic Princess Makes one wonder if the same feature on the new Sun Princess might be an indicator of where that ship will go once the Asian markets gets back to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted October 4, 2022 Author #121 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, CarnivalShips480 said: I don't want any more ships to be sold. I think that Ecstasy is good for Margaritaville but everyone else might disagree, including Margaritaville. I don't get why they have only 2 night cruises to the same place over and over again Carnival Ecstasy is supposed to leave fleet October 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted October 4, 2022 #122 Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 hours ago, Ombud said: Carnival Ecstasy is supposed to leave fleet October 15, 2022 Yes, I was saying that Ecstasy should go there after it leaves the fleet on October 15, 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarnivalShips480 Posted December 21, 2022 #123 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Carnival to Sell Three More Ships, Two From Costa - Cruise Industry News | Cruise News More ships sold, the Costa ones have to be Magica and Fortuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted December 21, 2022 Author #124 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) Wow. Costa line is depleting fast!! Selling 2 / transferred 3 to Carnival Costa neoRomantica -> gone Costa Victoria -> gone Costa Magica -> laid up Costa Serena -> 'laid up until Dec 2023' Costa Luminosa -> Carnival Luminosa Costa Venezia -> Carnival Venezia Costa Firenze -> Carnival Firenze Costa Fortuna -> same as Carnival Triumph & Carnival Victory so transfer?? Edited December 21, 2022 by Ombud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ombud Posted December 21, 2022 Author #125 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Costa Magica -> laid up cannot find a return date Costa Serena -> 'laid up until Dec 2023' Costa Deliziosa is their smallest ship so who knows?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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