proof of vaccination

[BirdTravels]

8 minutes ago, hallux said:

This also reads as though those of us that had our vaccine cards copied and the copy laminated are probably out of luck using the laminated card and will need to bring the actual card.  The entire point of laminating the card was to have a copy for "handling" and to bring places so there was less risk of losing the original.

Yes, the protocol requires an original card to be presented at check-in. Just like you are required to present an original passport and not a copy of a passport. 

 

Other cruise lines have explicit statements about laminated original vaccine cards

NOTE: Royal Caribbean will accept a laminated original vaccine card from your country’s health authority as acceptable proof of vaccination, providing it meets all the aforementioned criteria. 

 

Other Cruise Lines have explicit statements about turning you in for falsified vaccine cards to US and foreign governments for prosecution, and to sue people for the costs incurred if a falsified document is found.

 

 

Fraudulent Documentation of Vaccination

We will record all documentation of vaccination and review it for signs of fraud. We routinely provide documentation of vaccination to immigration, health and port authorities in the ports where we call. Falsifying documentation of vaccination is a crime in the U.S. and may lead to criminal prosecution in the various jurisdictions from where we sail, and in our ports of call. We reserve the right to deny boarding or remove from the ship any guest whom we believe has submitted a falsified documentation of vaccination.

 

We further reserve the right to bring a civil action against any guest who submits false documentation of vaccination to recover all costs and damages caused by such fraudulent conduct.

 

 

[ChickonRules]

8 hours ago, armwinder said:

I was one of the unlucky Canadians who had a mixed dose of Pfizer and Moderna. My original document states the fact and gives the lot number and type of vaccine.  If we ever get a official vaccine passport I wonder if it would reflect the same.  As things stand I am not fully vaccinated in the eyes of the FDA and NCL,  along with 2.6 other Canadians. No way around this now. 

This is an unfortunate situation as my husband got mixed doses and I got both Pfizer. Guess he's staying at home, just kidding!

[wetcoast]

9 hours ago, ColeThornton said:

 

That's not very many people.   Was the .6 person just a short guy from Toronto?   😉

I was also one of the unlucky Canadians with mixed doses. At the end of June there were 1.1 million of us

[Peachypooh]

I found out the other day that if I lost my card I could go to the hospital where I

received both doses of the vaccine and they would have it in their computer. Then they

could make me another "original".

[casofilia]

@Peachypooh

 

Interesting.

Our original has the signature of the actual person who did the injection each time and they are different.

 

1)  Will your "copy" have those actual signatures?

2)  Will that "Copy" have the word "COPY" on it?

 

If not the signatures and/or the word "COPY" will they be accepted as "Original"?

[davencl]

1 hour ago, casofilia said:

@Peachypooh

 

Interesting.

Our original has the signature of the actual person who did the injection each time and they are different.

 

1)  Will your "copy" have those actual signatures?

2)  Will that "Copy" have the word "COPY" on it?

 

If not the signatures and/or the word "COPY" will they be accepted as "Original"?

The US CDC card has no place for signatures or a signature requirement.  Only a space to list the provider or clinic which may be printed not necessarily signed. Not sure about other countries.

Edited July 27, 2021 by davencl

[ysolde]

1 hour ago, davencl said:

The US CDC card has no place for signatures or a signature requirement.  Only a space to list the provider or clinic which may be printed not necessarily signed. Not sure about other countries.

Yup.  No signatures (though it does have two big "J" stamps, which seems to indicate where the doses were administered (Javits Center).

[casofilia]

Our NZ one has the following; 

Name and NHI Number which also shows the DHB

Product Name and Batch Number

Date and Time of Injection

"Signature" and Designation of Health Care Professional

[saltsandknit]

2 hours ago, davencl said:

The US CDC card has no place for signatures or a signature requirement.  Only a space to list the provider or clinic which may be printed not necessarily signed. Not sure about other countries.

my vaccination card is signed by the nurse next to each lot number. That is how it was done in my state and county. Everyplace has a method.

[casofilia]

Reading the comments about the differences in vaccination cards I reiterate my suggestion the you scan your document and send to NCL to get confirmation it will be accepted.   I wouldn't like to see anyone denied boarding at the wharf as their card was not acceptable.

[hallux]

After reading the most recent posts I went and verified what my card looks like.  I was then reminded that when I got my first dose they (the facility where my GP practices) had run out of official cards so I only received a copy of a card with the info filled in for that dose.  When I returned for the second dose they had official cards so I got one of those and in the spot for the 'signature' for the first dose they simply abbreviated the facility name.  In all fairness, it DOES say "Healthcare professional or Clinic site' in the header for that column.  For the record - because I didn't get an official card the first time my official card has no second appointment info on the back.

 

That said - I likely COULD return to that facility to get a new official card if I lose or mutilate my first one and they would simply abbreviate the facility name in the far right column for both injections.

[ChiefMateJRK]

1 hour ago, hallux said:

When I returned for the second dose they had official cards so I got one of those and in the spot for the 'signature' for the first dose they simply abbreviated the facility name.  In all fairness, it DOES say "Healthcare professional or Clinic site' in the header for that column. 

Has any poster here received a CDC card with a "signature" of the healthcare professional?  These things are all over the map.  They rushed the vaccine out (thankfully) and the cards were a bit of an afterthought.  I used a major national pharmacy, and they had their computer print out stickers for each dose.  That was it.  The sticker contained name, DOB, loc (I assume location) and date.  The sticker also contained mfg/lot information, but for my first dose the printer was misaligned and it only shows the top half of that line, so worthless.  When I returned for the second dose, I had them write in the lot# info in the column @halluxmentioned above.  I have a friend who works in healthcare and was involved in administering the very first vaccines in our County.  I don't think there were any formal instructions on how to fill these cards out.  If those folks didn't know what constituted "official," there isn't any way that the cruise lines will know.  I would think that if a person has an original cardstock card, with name, DOB, date of vaccinations, manufacturer and some type of lot # info they should be good to go.  Tell me why I am wrong.

[hallux]

41 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

Has any poster here received a CDC card with a "signature" of the healthcare professional?

My card has a signature (and title) of the person that administered the second dose.  That person may actually have been the person that administered the first dose, but as I noted that column was filled in with the facility name abbreviation because of the circumstances.

[Yesimapirate]

All of this would be a moot point if the vaccines actually microchipped you like Bill Gates wanted!

[twentyknots]

I'd like to know how departures from Florida are being handled regarding proof of vaccination for other cruise lines.  I realize NCL hasnt departed from Florida yet.  I assume if they dont win the law suit they will do pretty much the same as the other lines.  What if a passenger answered yes on the health questionarre but didnt volunteer the proof at the pier?  The staff cant insist.  Would they be presummed to be unvaccinated and be counted in the 5%?

[MemawP]

41 minutes ago, twentyknots said:

I'd like to know how departures from Florida are being handled regarding proof of vaccination for other cruise lines.  I realize NCL hasn't departed from Florida yet.  I assume if they don't win the law suit they will do pretty much the same as the other lines.  What if a passenger answered yes on the health questionnaire but didn't volunteer the proof at the pier?  The staff cant insist.  Would they be presumed to be unvaccinated and be counted in the 5%?

Good question. We were feeling very confident to cruise with NCL's vaccination requirements. With this more contagious variant & all the non-sensical Florida push-back, we're now wondering if we need to reconsider 😞

[graphicguy]

5 hours ago, twentyknots said:

I'd like to know how departures from Florida are being handled regarding proof of vaccination for other cruise lines.  I realize NCL hasnt departed from Florida yet.  I assume if they dont win the law suit they will do pretty much the same as the other lines.  What if a passenger answered yes on the health questionarre but didnt volunteer the proof at the pier?  The staff cant insist.  Would they be presummed to be unvaccinated and be counted in the 5%?

Yes!  On Celebrity, and what they are reporting on the first few cruises sailing out of FL, that vaccinated number is between 98%-100%.  And, it looks like that's what they will continue to sail with given the only passengers allowed to sail unvaccinated are passengers under 12 years old.

 

You can't even get past the health questionnaire portion (which you have to fill out the day BEFORE checking in) if you don't provide your vaccine status as having both doses within two weeks of sailing.

 

This is their official position that they have sent to all of us who made reservations with Celebrity (and is also available on their WEB site)....

 

HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF VACCINATION READY TO SHOW AT THE TERMINAL

Acceptable documentation must be in the form of the original document issued by the country’s health authority or healthcare provider that administered the vaccination. Proof of vaccination will be recorded and reviewed for signs of fraud. Please be aware that falsification of vaccination records is a federal crime subject to prosecution and will result in denial of boarding or removal from the voyage. Additionally, it may:

•Be a violation of state and local laws, exposing you to criminal prosecution in places we visit.

•Expose you to civil liability for costs and damages caused.

ALL UNVACCINATED GUESTS 6 MONTHS TO 15 YEARS OLD (6 MONTHS TO 11 YEARS OLD AS OF AUGUST 1) WILL REQUIRE A COMPLIMENTARY COVID-19 TEST AT THE TERMINAL

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR UNVACCINATED GUESTS 16 + 

•You will need to arrive for embarkation with a negative RT-PCR taken within 3 days in advance of arrival to the terminal.

•You will be required to take a Covid-19 test at the terminal, mid cruise onboard, and again at the end of the cruise.

•Please do not make early travel plans on the day of debarkation to allow time for the required testing process.

•The per person costs for these tests is $178 and will be applied to your onboard folio. 

•Masks will be required at all times onboard except while eating or drinking.

•Unvaccinated guests are required to book a Celebrity curated tour, and depending on local government requirements, unvaccinated guests may be further restricted from going ashore.

•Unvaccinated guests will have designated seating areas in some venues such as the dining rooms, casino, theatre, etc.

Guests that do not meet the testing and health screening policy requirements will be denied boarding.

[ChiefMateJRK]

26 minutes ago, graphicguy said:

•Please do not make early travel plans on the day of debarkation to allow time for the required testing process.

Well that makes things clear.  What the heck is "early?"

[graphicguy]

31 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

Well that makes things clear.  What the heck is "early?"

I think what they're saying, if you're planing to be one of the first ones off the ship to catch an early flight, you ain't gonna make it.  Matter of fact, you should probably schedule a later flight or tell Grandma you're going to be home late.

[Gabriele73]

22 hours ago, casofilia said:

Our NZ one has the following; 

Name and NHI Number which also shows the DHB

Product Name and Batch Number

Date and Time of Injection

"Signature" and Designation of Health Care Professional

In Germany we have the handwritten yellow „Impfpass“. It has the Date, Product Name, Date of Injection, Sticker of the Injection and the doctors name and signature. 
 

We also have the EU Digital Vaccination Certificate. 

It has an QR-Code and you can add it to an app. 
It contains all dates like Name, First name, Vaccine Type, Manufacturer, Date of vaccination etc. 
All this is shown for shot 1 and shot 2. If you got a mixed dose like Astra Zeneca and Pfizer it can be seen in the digital certificate. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[classy_cruiser]

You can also request a copy of your vaccination record from your state. 

[Fisical1]

I am also worried about what I was given.  I received my vaccine early on as part of a clinic at the facility which I work  and there was no CDC card.  It was a vaccine record and they put the sticker of the pfizer vaccine NO lot number, but date.  2nd vaccine they added the pfizer sticker and lot number and date.  I checked with my insurance and they send me both claims that showed when my vaccine was given, the type and the dates.  I also uploaded the information and received a Digital COVID-19 Vaccine Record from the state once they verified the information.   Im hoping that is enough verification to sail.   Thoughts?

[All-ready2cruise]

So, for us, we would use the information we rec'd from our Provincial Medical Health Office for our scheduled vaccine 1 & 2 and it would include verification from our Provincial Medical Health Office :

 

It will include: Name

                       Health card number

                       DOB

                       Agent/Agent: COVID-19_mRNA

                      Product Name: PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 mRNA PB

                      Diluent Product: PFIZER Diluent 0.9% Sodium Chloride

                      Lot/Lot: EW3344

                      Dosage/Dosage: 0.3ml Route: Intramuscular / Site: Left deltoid

                      You have received 1 valid dose(s) Vaccine Administered By: G, Medical Doctor Authorized                        Organization: Niagara Health System

                      Your next dose is scheduled for (NA since the date changed)                    

[casofilia]

@All-ready2cruise

 

That is even better than ours.

[All-ready2cruise]

27 minutes ago, casofilia said:

@All-ready2cruise

 

That is even better than ours.

I'm still not sure if it will be adequate at the NCL terminal though.  To me, it still seems as though they could easily find it less than what is expected of their (US) Vaccine Card.  

No worries though,  I'm double jabbed with the pfizer (p fire), LOL.  I've also booked a hotel for the full 7 days of the cruise I've booked... cancellation is ok 2 days prior to the cruise date. 

 

I really want to cruise though.