I got covid on my Hawaii cruise on the Koningsdam, how about you?

[oaktreerb]

3 hours ago, TiogaCruiser said:

The OP was part of the Roll Call for Konigsdam April 10 Vancouver to Hawaii. Context put her onset 4-10-22, and possibly still on the ship, having spoken to someone who’s family is in iso, being she wrote  ( yesterday ) she had met that person (yesterday).
 

 

Koningsdam should be in Seattle today.

[happyglobetrotter]

5 hours ago, CruisinShips said:

The question was specifically about mask wearing at home.

At home (for me) means where I live. Not inside my house.

 

[liketraveling]

2 hours ago, vswan said:

Just got off this ship yesterday. My personal observations - the majority of the passengers were not young. There were a few kids on the ship, but an 18 day cruise in the middle of April does not lean toward families with children. The majority of those sailing - not all - appeared to be over 60 and even when the cruise started masks were very common throughout the ship. Yes, there were some that never wore masks.

 

During early announcements the captain seemed very proud of the fact that we were "green." About the middle of the cruise an announcement was made (during early dining) that there were covid cases among passengers and staff - mostly no symptoms or very mild symptoms. Recommended more mask wearing - but not required. That night there seemed to be a bit of a panic. Staff running around with disinfectant and manning elevators... I told my DH that it must be more than a few cases if announced during dinner and staff behavior.

 

Several days later I found out that the ship was now "red." Masks soon became mandatory in all public spaces and staff were handing out masks throughout the ship. There were those that had light cold symptoms and tested but were negative - so not everyone with a cough or runny nose has covid.

 

We were among the consistent mask wearers. We knew we needed to test negative to get back into the states and did not want to be stuck. We also both had covid in February, so chances of us getting reinfected this soon were slim, but it could happen. During testing at the Pan Pacific - which was easy for us, but did see lines when we finished - we wondered what happened to someone who tests positive. With a "red" ship we expected to have cases. Names were called and results were handed out, until one couple was approached and asked to step to the back of the room. (DH recognized as consistent non-maskers.) We didn't wait around to see what the procedure was.

 

After two years of covid I'm tired of it just like everyone else. But, I love to cruise and will do what I need to do to cruise - vaccinate, wear a mask, social distance, etc.  If there hadn't been any announcements made I probably wouldn't have thought much of it, but once you see staff stepping up sanitizing, spraying hallways, and walking around with hazmat suits on it does change the enjoyment of the cruise.

 

 

I am no cruising but last week but I did have mild cold like symptoms that started with wheezing at first, scratch throat and a day later a runny nose.  I did take the symptoms seariosly.  After I had the symptoms for a day I took a home test that came back negative.  The test instructed me to take another test that was also negative.  I emailed my doctor and asked if he wanted me to go to the testing clinic. That test came back negative.  I never lost taste and only lost taste while I had a runny nose.  I did loose my appetite but that happens when I don’t feel good.

I have been isolating at home even though it is a cold

 

Apparently there is a nasty cold going around.  I wear a mask in places even if it is not required.

 

People with colds should at least be isolating in their cabins.  If positive definitely report to the ships doc.

 

 

 

if I were on a ship I would have reported it to the medical center.  Yes it is crappy to go to isolation

[TheLizardHouse]

5 hours ago, mightycruisequeen said:

I think the same is true of not wearing a mask.  Absolutely no one's business, and to each his or her own.

Not at all.  I asked some people in the retirement complex apartment where my parents are, to put on a mask last week. When you have elderly, immunocompromised or otherwise vulnerable people around, mask use becomes very important. It’s not about your preference or rights, it’s about the well-being of the people around you.  Nothing to do with “each to his or her own”, and really . . . . is it such a big ask?

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by TheLizardHouse

[zhuangcorp]

How do you know you got Covid? Did you bring your own test kits to use onboard? or does the crew test you everyday?

[riverrat]

On 4/28/2022 at 5:57 PM, cccole said:

homercrispy - How did you find room service for all of your meals?   If you found out you had Covid on day 6, you stayed quarantined for how many days before retesting?  Hopefully you had a balcony.  Did you bring self tests on board so that you knew you were positive?   I have a self test in my carry on but have not used it yet. Cherie  

 

Not the OP, but did spend 8 days in Quarantine from March 28-April 6th on the NS. Room service was as well done as possible. Foods were warm but still delicious. If you test positive on day 6 you remain until day 10 when you are released with out further testing. We were moved to a balcony from an inside cabin. We brought self tests and used them when hopeful about getting out of Covid jail.

 

The crew wears protective suits, face shields, gloves and have sprayer packs on their backs when they escort you thru the ship to the Quarantine wing. Everything is served on paper with wooden utensils. 

 

We tested negative three days prior to second sailing of our B2B so everything was great. BUT, Because our in transit group had a high percentage (60 pass) it forced a second testing of all the previously tested in transit guests and this snagged ~30 more of us on our 3rd day of 11 day cruise.

 

Are there positive people unknowingly walking around? I'd venture to say yes.

 

 

[OlsSalt]

2 minutes ago, riverrat said:

 

Are there positive people unknowingly walking around? I'd venture to say yes.

 

 

 

Who are also certified to be fully vaxxed,  boosted and tested.

What is the next threshold to add?

[Mary229]

I am on a 21 day cruise and I can say with certainty that at least 60% of the passengers are not following the guidance of their personal physicians.  If you have multiple comorbidities it is doubtful you should be traveling for extended periods.  It chaps me to have a finger wagged at me from someone who clearly should have stayed home.  Sorry to be so blunt but it needs to be said.

 

2 key take aways, don’t discuss Covid on the ship with fellow passengers and follow the rules ordered by your captain.  I don’t wear masks at home but the captain says I must, no problem, I wear a mask.  A mask is not coming between me and living a full life .  It is simply a dirty, chemically impregnated piece of cloth/fiber/paper, I can deal with that for a while. There are worse things 

[HappyInVan]

As I suspected all along. And, confirmed by the mass outbreaks on the Princess ships. There are pax who don't care that they are infected. 

 

IMO, cruising can be safe. But, we can't trust the cruise companies. Each pax has to take the necessary steps to stay infection-free.

 

No, we are not back to the old 'normal'.

[CruisinShips]

4 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

No, we are not back to the old 'normal'.

I wonder when people will come to accept that we will likely never be, and that this IS the new normal.  It’s not going away.  If you’re highly vulnerable, then unfortunately cruising may no longer be the ideal vacation for you.  If you’re relatively healthy, vaxxed and boosted, then you accept that getting Covid is a possibility as are other transmissible illnesses.  And Paxilovid (sp?) will be available hopefully as well.  
 

People still seem to believe we are still in 2020 and we are not, IMO. We are just better equipped to accept it and live with it. 

[Florida_gal_50]

7 hours ago, Mary229 said:

I am on a 21 day cruise and I can say with certainty that at least 60% of the passengers are not following the guidance of their personal physicians.  If you have multiple comorbidities it is doubtful you should be traveling for extended periods.  It chaps me to have a finger wagged at me from someone who clearly should have stayed home.  Sorry to be so blunt but it needs to be said.

 

2 key take aways, don’t discuss Covid on the ship with fellow passengers and follow the rules ordered by your captain.  I don’t wear masks at home but the captain says I must, no problem, I wear a mask.  A mask is not coming between me and living a full life .  It is simply a dirty, chemically impregnated piece of cloth/fiber/paper, I can deal with that for a while. There are worse things 

More confusion  coming.  Some will think you wear your mask inside your house 🙄.  It’s pretty easy to understand what home means but it seems some struggle with the concept.  I referred yesterday to wearing a mask at home yesterday and some were so perplexed as to why I would wear it in my house.  A question though, why is your mask so dirty?  I change mine often.  They are not meant to be worn until they fall apart.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Florida_gal_50

[Junonia]

17 hours ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

Just some food for thought, let's step back 4 or 5 years when there was the frequent Cruise Crud. How many times were people coming home with the terrible cough, basically having severe bronchitis. I often wonder if that was not an early version/strain of covid. Look at all the people who were infected and no one really cared. The ships were not quarantining people. Passengers self medicated. I know of many that came home from a cruise far more sick and some hospitalized after returning home. How was that any different than current time. I would venture to say the numbers of passengers with what we called Cruise Crud were far higher than those testing positive for covid now. But here's another secret your going to catch it at any place with numerous people, Las Vegas, Disney World, Sports games etc....

Like some have said I think we need to learn to live with this, it will not be going away. If some one has health issues they should not be doing this type of travel. Same as they should not have been doing that previously but still did. If one is vaccinated and boosted they have done what they need to do to protect themselves.

Completely agree with this! I was on a November transatlantic from Civitavecchia in Nov 2019 and there was a viral pneumonia outbreak on the ship with people everywhere sounding like they were dying. People reported bills from the ship’s medical center of 4-6k! They were going for daily steroid breathing treatments and other things. How interesting that it was just 8 weeks before cv officially hit the scene. I bet all those sick people would have tested positive, if there were tests available. Wash your hands, fortify your immune system and go on your way. Germs are everywhere!

[Mary229]

43 minutes ago, Florida_gal_50 said:

house.  A question though, why is your mask so dirty?  I change mine often.  They are not meant to be worn until they fall apart.

I find any mask nasty.  They are not pure. They have micro fibers and chemical preservatives.  Yes the at home discussion is silly, I understood 

[Florida_gal_50]

10 minutes ago, Mary229 said:

I find any mask nasty.  They are not pure. They have micro fibers and chemical preservatives.  Yes the at home discussion is silly, I understood 

I know someone that wears a disposable mask for months 🤮.  I just wonder if others do this as well. I often see people pulling dirty masks out of pockets of clothes that don’t look too clean either.  I was just wondering if that’s normal.

[*Miss G*]

3 minutes ago, Florida_gal_50 said:

I know someone that wears a disposable mask for months 🤮.  I just wonder if others do this as well. I often see people pulling dirty masks out of pockets of clothes that don’t look too clean either.  I was just wondering if that’s normal.

 

There is no limit to the nasty things people will do.

[Florida_gal_50]

5 minutes ago, *Miss G* said:

 

There is no limit to the nasty things people will do.

True that 😛😀. 

[Homosassa]

On 4/28/2022 at 11:14 PM, lyannea said:

When my cousin's family had caught Covid in February, I researched where Omicron spores attach to-

 

Covid is caused by a virus.  Viruses do not form spores.

 

In any case, here is accurate information on fomite (surface) transmission of the covid virus.

 

It may help some of you understand the reasons behind certain protocols on board ship.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

Edited April 30, 2022 by Homosassa

[BermudaBound2014]

7 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

IMO, cruising can be safe. But, we can't trust the cruise companies. Each pax has to take the necessary steps to stay infection-free.

 

I agree that cruising can be safe.

 

I disagree that cruising can be covid free. It's a virus and eventually will make it onboard every ship.

 

If I had a comorbidity I would reconsider any form of travel with high population density.

 

 

[syesmar]

1 hour ago, Junonia said:

…I was on a November transatlantic from Civitavecchia in Nov 2019 and there was a viral pneumonia outbreak on the ship with people everywhere sounding like they were dying. People reported bills from the ship’s medical center of 4-6k! They were going for daily steroid breathing treatments and other things. How interesting that it was just 8 weeks before cv officially hit the scene. I bet all those sick people would have tested positive, if there were tests available….

Could well have been the case, based on later findings.

[lyannea]

14 minutes ago, Homosassa said:

Covid is caused by a virus.  Viruses do not form spores.

 

In any case, here is accurate information on fomite (surface) transmission of the covid virus.

 

It may help some of you understand the reasons behind certain protocols on board ship.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

Since we’re most likely in a phase where people are catching Omicron, here’’ds some additional more findings,

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/omicron-survives-longer-on-plastic-surfaces-and-skin

[PACD_JG]

32 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

I agree that cruising can be safe.

 

I disagree that cruising can be covid free. It's a virus and eventually will make it onboard every ship.

 

If I had a comorbidity I would reconsider any form of travel with high population density.

 

 

 

This.  Which is why I condemned the OP - not for not disclosing, but more for attempting to find a scapegoat for catching Covid.

 

FWIW, I understood the mask at home comment, but I couldn't help to laugh at the discussion because my stereotypes came true...why do old people take things so literally?

[bcummin]

20 hours ago, OlsSalt said:

 

My sister has been debating about the 71 day Grand Africa - October 2022, and even was going to spring for a Neptune Suite if she could, but decided to hold off simply because of all the ongoing "covid craziness".  

 

There will be no future for cruising until this gets settled.  Asking everyone to follow strict guidelines and still find people get "covid" which throws them into quarantine or off the ship who knows where is just no a sustainable business plan. Sad to say. I want cruising to continue but not under these highly variable and erratic demands.  

 

"Case numbers" and "test results" are too variable and even meaningless at this time to allow any solid future guidelines for passengers to risk both vacation time and the cash. Sounds like the large majority of passengers are doing just fine, until they get the dreaded and random test results or minor symptoms.  

 

Yet, the entire industry is held in this prison of daily uncertainty. I can only hope once they analyze the ongoing data from the past few months in this remarkable closed-system experiment, they will find more stable  footing.

 

Please tell your sister that I decided this is a good year to enjoy the Grand Africa.  The ship is smaller, and the great Roll Call group has been anxious to sail for several years.  It is an extraordinary group.

Barbara 

[Florida_gal_50]

7 minutes ago, PACD_JG said:

 

This.  Which is why I condemned the OP - not for not disclosing, but more for attempting to find a scapegoat for catching Covid.

 

FWIW, I understood the mask at home comment, but I couldn't help to laugh at the discussion because my stereotypes came true...why do old people take things so literally?

There worst thing was people were losing their mind because I wasn’t replying fast enough.  I have a very busy job and I barely have enough time to use the bathroom.  If it’s not before or after work or at lunchtime I’m not sitting on cruise critic. 

[BermudaBound2014]

9 minutes ago, PACD_JG said:

FWIW, I understood the mask at home comment, but I couldn't help to laugh at the discussion because my stereotypes came true...why do old people take things so literally?

 

That's funny. My stereotype/observation is that it is largely old people who are still wearing masks in places it is optional. We both read the same text and our "stereotypes" lead us to entirely different conclusions.

 

Don't get me wrong, I support any person wearing a mask because I just assume they have a comorbidity or are working closely with someone who does. I would too in that position. 

 

[schag001]

On 4/28/2022 at 7:14 PM, PoppyBanks said:

I have reserved 2 staterooms with extended verandas on Koningsdam deck 4, embarking the end of next week. Is deck 4 a quarantine deck? I am now concerned after reading this thread, and for the 8 months since I booked this sailing I have felt comfortable with the ship. 😔

Just got off the Konigsdam today. 

Also stayed on deck 4 aft. 

Was all good, yes there are cabins which are locked off thru big doors but all is fine. 

I feel way more exposed when going grocery shopping than I felt on the ship. 

Have a happy voyage!

Don't stress! @PoppyBanks