Migrant rescue this afternoon on Beyod

[miched]

34 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

It concerns me as well. I certainly don’t advocate not helping them, but this is happening quite frequently lately.  Call me cynical but it seems like a good way for someone with bad intentions to find their way onto a cruise ship fairly easily to do heaven knows what to thousands of people.  I don’t know what the answer is. It wouldn’t be right to leave them stranded, but I just think one day this will not end well. I would be very happy to be wrong. 

I think that it would be best to Inform the Coast Guard and then monitor them until the Coast Guard arrives.  With the resources that the Coast Guard have it shouldn’t take the very long. Assuming it is in the Caribbean the Coast guard is probably within 1 hour.    I seen pthe US Coast Guard sailing around Aruba and St Lucia, plus there stations at the US territories.  
 

They can also deploy helicopters with armed rafts to check them out and them allow them to board a cruise ship as being safe.  
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅 

Edited January 8, 2023 by miched

[miched]

2 hours ago, DaKahuna said:

 It is a great thing that these people were given add and saved from a life threatening situation.  However, it is unfortunate that they stand a good change of being returned to Cuba where there is no telling what will happen to them as a result of their trying to escape.  Hopefully, some, if not all of them, will be able to safely obtain political asylum in the US. 

 

 I also feel for those people.   We don’t know how geeat we have it especially when our greatest concern on CC is about having to pay for room service,  increase in the bev package,  additional cost for a extra lobster and etc.    

 

Cruising is a privilege and not a right.  There are more important issues going on today.

 

We take for granted all of the freedoms that we have and forget about those that gave their lives for it. 
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅

Edited January 8, 2023 by miched

[zitsky]

1 hour ago, phoenix_dream said:

It concerns me as well. I certainly don’t advocate not helping them, but this is happening quite frequently lately.  Call me cynical but it seems like a good way for someone with bad intentions to find their way onto a cruise ship fairly easily to do heaven knows what to thousands of people.  I don’t know what the answer is. It wouldn’t be right to leave them stranded, but I just think one day this will not end well. I would be very happy to be wrong. 

Well as long as they’re not wearing an eye patch it’s all ok.

[jean87510]

7 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

It concerns me as well. I certainly don’t advocate not helping them, but this is happening quite frequently lately.  Call me cynical but it seems like a good way for someone with bad intentions to find their way onto a cruise ship fairly easily to do heaven knows what to thousands of people.  I don’t know what the answer is. It wouldn’t be right to leave them stranded, but I just think one day this will not end well. I would be very happy to be wrong. 

I agree.  I think the coast guard should help.  Not the cruise ships.  

 

Edited:  Just read up on the procedure.  The refugees are not just released into the US. I just love the story of Virgin Voyage rescues some, Carnival rescues some.  And Captain Kate rescues some.  Good PR by Celebrity.  

Edited January 8, 2023 by jean87510

[chengkp75]

Okay, a few things.  A ship is required to give aid to persons in distress, unless the Captain feels that he/she is jeopardizing the safety of the ship, passengers, cargo, crew, or environment.  So, if things don't look kosher when the ship's boat goes to look at the refugees, they don't have to be taken onboard.  Also, they are not allowed to bring any items with them.  When something like this happens (and its been happening for the 40 plus years I've been going to sea on a regular basis), the Captain will notify the USCG and the USCG will ask the Captain if the persons are in a life threatening situation (is the boat/raft sinking).  Based on where the instance occurs, and whether the USCG has assets available (boats), they will either tell the Captain to maintain the refugees in sight and await the arrival of a cutter, or to take the refugees on the ship.  If the ship takes the refugees onboard, they are fed and housed in cabins with security standing by, and at the first port are turned over to the authorities.  In this case, the USCG will take them into detention, and return them to Cuba or their home country at the first opportunity.

 

The USCG does not have "armed rafts" (I'm assuming you mean the RHIB boats that escort cruise ships frequently in port, not rafts) that can be deployed from helicopters.

 

Since they were intercepted before they reached US soil, there is no possibility that they will even be given an opportunity to apply for asylum, let alone have it granted.

[deepcman]

12 hours ago, DaKahuna said:

 It is a great thing that these people were given add and saved from a life threatening situation.  However, it is unfortunate that they stand a good change of being returned to Cuba where there is no telling what will happen to them as a result of their trying to escape.  Hopefully, some, if not all of them, will be able to safely obtain political asylum in the US. 

 

With the help of the internet searches you should be able to determine how to open your house and sponsor citizenship for these individuals or others in the same boat.(excuse the pun)

We sponsored a Ukrainian family but that is different.

Let us know how it works out.

[SeaWatch12]

3 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Okay, a few things.  A ship is required to give aid to persons in distress, unless the Captain feels that he/she is jeopardizing the safety of the ship, passengers, cargo, crew, or environment.  So, if things don't look kosher when the ship's boat goes to look at the refugees, they don't have to be taken onboard.  Also, they are not allowed to bring any items with them.  When something like this happens (and its been happening for the 40 plus years I've been going to sea on a regular basis), the Captain will notify the USCG and the USCG will ask the Captain if the persons are in a life threatening situation (is the boat/raft sinking).  Based on where the instance occurs, and whether the USCG has assets available (boats), they will either tell the Captain to maintain the refugees in sight and await the arrival of a cutter, or to take the refugees on the ship.  If the ship takes the refugees onboard, they are fed and housed in cabins with security standing by, and at the first port are turned over to the authorities.  In this case, the USCG will take them into detention, and return them to Cuba or their home country at the first opportunity.

 

The USCG does not have "armed rafts" (I'm assuming you mean the RHIB boats that escort cruise ships frequently in port, not rafts) that can be deployed from helicopters.

 

Since they were intercepted before they reached US soil, there is no possibility that they will even be given an opportunity to apply for asylum, let alone have it granted.

Thank you very much for the informed and thoughtful response. I feel we can rest comfortably after reading your post if we are ever passengers on a ship that winds up doing a rescue. 
Again, thank you. 

[mom says]

16 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

It concerns me as well. I certainly don’t advocate not helping them, but this is happening quite frequently lately.  Call me cynical but it seems like a good way for someone with bad intentions to find their way onto a cruise ship fairly easily to do heaven knows what to thousands of people.  I don’t know what the answer is. It wouldn’t be right to leave them stranded, but I just think one day this will not end well. I would be very happy to be wrong. 

Do you think the Captain and his/her Security officers are stupid? Do you actually think they would allow them on board without thoroughly frisking them first, and then confining their movements once on board?

[Homosassa]

19 hours ago, DaKahuna said:

Hopefully, some, if not all of them, will be able to safely obtain political asylum in the US. 

 

Well established procedure to be transported from Florida to Texas to Martha's Vineyard....

[cyntil8ing]

We had this happen on Reflection a few years ago. A launch went out to the raft, picked up the people and brought them back on board. Coast Guard showed up a little while later and took them. They waved goodbye as they left. We continued on our way.

 

 

 

[phoenix_dream]

1 hour ago, mom says said:

Do you think the Captain and his/her Security officers are stupid? Do you actually think they would allow them on board without thoroughly frisking them first, and then confining their movements once on board?

A pretty insulting reply. Of course I don’t think they’re stupid, far from it. But there are many terrorists who aren’t stupid either.  Somehow they managed to work their way onto airplanes and killed thousands of people. That’s only one example of many. I think it’s naive to think they couldn’t find a way to terrorize if they really wanted to. I’m sure by far the vast majority of these situations are desperate people wanting a better life and I sympathize with them. But thinking it could never happen is wishful thinking IMHO.

[horseymike]

I agree.

[eas2225]

We were on the Edge last February when we felt the ship slow down, then turn completely around.  There was a raft with 16 people floating nearby.

 

Our captain said that the Coast Guard had been contacted and we would wait until they came.  It was about an hour and a half later that the Coast Guard came and took control of the raft.  We then continued on our way.

[zitsky]

3 minutes ago, eas2225 said:

We were on the Edge last February when we felt the ship slow down, then turn completely around.  There was a raft with 16 people floating nearby.

 

Our captain said that the Coast Guard had been contacted and we would wait until they came.  It was about an hour and a half later that the Coast Guard came and took control of the raft.  We then continued on our way.

Any idea where they came from?  Cuba?