New Vessel ordered for the Carnival Group with Fincantieri.

[Despegue]

I expect to see at least one vessel going to Aida Cruises though. Their two sister vessels ( AidaNova and AidaCosma ) of the Carnival Jubilee are always full and Aida is one of the bettter performers within the group. Same for P&O actually.

[stobe1]

11 hours ago, bg2310 said:

All these haters and complainers in here smh it's kinda funny tbh y'all are pressed as hell huh. 😂

 

Don't like it or the size? Don't sail it. 🤷 Simple. Keep the complaints to yourselves though. 

 

I for one am excited for the announcement if indeed it is a new Carnival ship and series of them. I've been wondering when they might order new ones given the completion and delivery of the Jubilee last month.

 

I have often been accused of being a Carnival cheerleader here on CC. It is a rare day that I say anything negative about them. But saying that we prefer smaller ships and not sailing with 7,000 people isnt being a hater or complaining. It is just stating a preference, at least in my case it was. 

 

But why keep complaints to yourself? You have never once complained about anything ever? Do you internalize and keep all your comments to yourself? Of course you don't. You complained about the "complainers". 

Edited January 15 by stobe1

[bg2310]

3 hours ago, stobe1 said:

 

I have often been accused of being a Carnival cheerleader here on CC. It is a rare day that I say anything negative about them. But saying that we prefer smaller ships and not sailing with 7,000 people isnt being a hater or complaining. It is just stating a preference, at least in my case it was. 

 

But why keep complaints to yourself? You have never once complained about anything ever? Do you internalize and keep all your comments to yourself? Of course you don't. You complained about the "complainers". 

I agree that 7,000 pax plus 2,500 crew members is too much and a lot given the size (RCCL Icon has basically the same amount, but is much larger at 250k tonnage), but none of this is official. 

 

Hopefully, if true, they aren't trying to fit or cram that many people into it. But apart from that, I for one find this exciting and am excited for some new ships!

 

Especially at least a couple at over 200,000 tonnage so Carnival isn't one of the big lines left without a ship of that size (MSC has one, Icon sails this month, and Disney Adventure in 2025).

Edited January 15 by bg2310

[dolphinsfan246]

29 minutes ago, bg2310 said:

I agree that 7,000 pax plus 2,500 crew members is too much and a lot given the size (RCCL Icon has basically the same amount, but is much larger at 250k tonnage), but none of this is official. 

 

Hopefully, if true, they aren't trying to fit or cram that many people into it. But apart from that, I for one find this exciting and am excited for some new ships!

 

Especially at least a couple at over 200,000 tonnage so Carnival isn't one of the big lines left without a ship of that size (MSC has one, Icon sails this month, and Disney Adventure in 2025).

The ratio is roughly the same when comparing Carnival’s Excel class to RCI’s Oasis class. They both carry around the same while Excel class is around 40,000 tons less. I never felt like the Mardi Gras was overly crowded, and they announced there was 6,500 pax on our sailing. It felt about the same as any other Carnival

ship. Remember the Oasis/Icon class ships sacrifice a lot of revenue producing space to have those open air split superstructure features. Don’t expect Carnival to do that. They will put cabins in any nook and cranny, that’s how they keep the fares so low. If the Oasis/Icon ships had those open areas filled in, they would easily be 9,000+ capacity, Royal simply chooses to have those impressive architectural features over higher capacity. Like I said, Carnival would not do that, therefore getting the same amount on a smaller/cheaper ship. It’s been their business model since day 1. 

[tidecat]

15 hours ago, Despegue said:

I expect to see at least one vessel going to Aida Cruises though. Their two sister vessels ( AidaNova and AidaCosma ) of the Carnival Jubilee are always full and Aida is one of the bettter performers within the group. Same for P&O actually.

I agree. Royal Caribbean is at war with Carnival Corp on multiple fronts in Europe, in particular the UK and Germany.

 

I'd expect two of these to be Carnival as a response to the Icon class. It's too bad in some ways the order isn't for a total of six ships, as that could give one to Costa and then whatever port between Galveston, Miami, and Port Canaveral doesn't get one from Carnival.

 

I'd also expect no expansion of Carnival's fleet in terms of the number of vessels, although there may be some potential to free up a ship for deployment elsewhere given the sheer size of this new vessel. For example, one of the newbuilds could take over the 6-8 day cruises done by both Magic and Horizon - this would actually be a decrease in capacity for that segment out of Miami but then you augment that with seasonal service from one of the Spirit class each winter. Move Horizon to Norfolk as a replacement for Sunshine. Magic takes over short cruises from Conquest, and then move Conquest to Mobile for year-round service.

[john91498]

I'm looking forward to the new ships.

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[BlerkOne]

3 hours ago, dolphinsfan246 said:

The ratio is roughly the same when comparing Carnival’s Excel class to RCI’s Oasis class. They both carry around the same while Excel class is around 40,000 tons less. I never felt like the Mardi Gras was overly crowded, and they announced there was 6,500 pax on our sailing. It felt about the same as any other Carnival

ship. Remember the Oasis/Icon class ships sacrifice a lot of revenue producing space to have those open air split superstructure features.

The "tonnage" refers to volume, not weight or square footage. Having high ceilings nets more tonnage, but not really more room per passenger. It does give pigeons more room to fly around.

[dolphinsfan246]

25 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

The "tonnage" refers to volume, not weight or square footage. Having high ceilings nets more tonnage, but not really more room per passenger. It does give pigeons more room to fly around.

What is your point? I’m saying a ship doesn’t have to have a tonnage of 250,000 to accommodate 7,000 passengers when you use your available square footage the way Carnival does. 

[BlerkOne]

5 minutes ago, dolphinsfan246 said:

What is your point? I’m saying a ship doesn’t have to have a tonnage of 250,000 to accommodate 7,000 passengers when you use your available square footage the way Carnival does. 

Not directed at you, but those who think bigger is better when it comes to gross tonnage. You correctly pointed out high volume spaces.

[CruiseHealing]

On 1/14/2024 at 2:01 PM, BlerkOne said:

Yes. That was the only market where I saw a potential 208,000 ton ship, until this article which appears to be a supersized Princess design.

The China ship is based on the Carnival Vista Class.   The Adora Magic City ship launched recently, with another Vista Class ship in 2025.

[BlerkOne]

16 minutes ago, CruiseHealing said:

The China ship is based on the Carnival Vista Class.   The Adora Magic City ship launched recently, with another Vista Class ship in 2025.

I think I was thinking of Global Dream which Disney ended up buying 

[tidecat]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

The "tonnage" refers to volume, not weight or square footage. Having high ceilings nets more tonnage, but not really more room per passenger. It does give pigeons more room to fly around.

Pigeons aren't a suitable replacement for human crew to make stateroom deliveries, though.

[BlerkOne]

39 minutes ago, tidecat said:

Pigeons aren't a suitable replacement for human crew to make stateroom deliveries, though.

Maybe they'll lease some drones?

[Illbcruzn4life]

8 hours ago, dolphinsfan246 said:

The ratio is roughly the same when comparing Carnival’s Excel class to RCI’s Oasis class. They both carry around the same while Excel class is around 40,000 tons less. I never felt like the Mardi Gras was overly crowded, and they announced there was 6,500 pax on our sailing. It felt about the same as any other Carnival

ship. Remember the Oasis/Icon class ships sacrifice a lot of revenue producing space to have those open air split superstructure features. Don’t expect Carnival to do that. They will put cabins in any nook and cranny, that’s how they keep the fares so low. If the Oasis/Icon ships had those open areas filled in, they would easily be 9,000+ capacity, Royal simply chooses to have those impressive architectural features over higher capacity. Like I said, Carnival would not do that, therefore getting the same amount on a smaller/cheaper ship. It’s been their business model since day 1. 

Why does Carnival want to keep fares low? Shouldn’t they want to charge more to maximize revenues?

[BlerkOne]

24 minutes ago, Illbcruzn4life said:

Why does Carnival want to keep fares low? Shouldn’t they want to charge more to maximize revenues?

Two words. Price elasticity.

[staceyglow]

If building a couple of megaships lowers the price on the smaller ones and frees them up from the Bahamas and Western Caribbean ports to go to more interesting places, I am all for it!

[Joebucks]

On 1/14/2024 at 2:27 PM, stobe1 said:

 

I agree with you 100%. If this is accurate, 7,000 passengers is way too much for me. I will gladly stick with Vista class and smaller. Besides, these ships get so big that the only ports that can accomodate them are the Nassaus, Cozumels and San Juans of the Caribbean. Lots of people visiting the same ol' ports.

 

What's the point of drawing this line in the sand? I have never been on a more crowded ship than the Vista class. 

 

Honestly, I don't care how big a ship is. They can hold 10,000 for all I care. As long as it has the right flow in the right areas. Give Lido/serenity, theater, punchliner, etc enough seating, and I'm good. 

Edited January 16 by Joebucks

[dolphinsfan246]

1 hour ago, Joebucks said:

 

What's the point of drawing this line in the sand? I have never been on a more crowded ship than the Vista class. 

 

Honestly, I don't care how big a ship is. They can hold 10,000 for all I care. As long as it has the right flow in the right areas. Give Lido/serenity, theater, punchliner, etc enough seating, and I'm good. 

My thoughts exactly , the most crowded ships I have been on were Dream and Sunshine. And those are so called smaller ships in today’s world. Mardi Gras was NOT crowded with 6500 people on our sailing. I don’t know why people won’t give them a chance. 

[stobe1]

1 hour ago, Joebucks said:

 

What's the point of drawing this line in the sand? I have never been on a more crowded ship than the Vista class. 

 

Honestly, I don't care how big a ship is. They can hold 10,000 for all I care. As long as it has the right flow in the right areas. Give Lido/serenity, theater, punchliner, etc enough seating, and I'm good. 

 

It's just a preference. Not all of us are in the "bigger is better" camp.  If that's your cup of tea, I say go for it. Whatever blows your hair back.

[dolphinsfan246]

14 hours ago, Illbcruzn4life said:

Why does Carnival want to keep fares low? Shouldn’t they want to charge more to maximize revenues?

Carnival will always stay the cheapest option. It’s how they have made their niche in the cruise industry since their inception. As long as they can fill the ship at any cost, they can make their fortune from on board revenue. It’s why they prioritize casino guests above all others. Their next priority after that is blue cards, as long as they can get them on cheap, they can impress them because they have nothing else to compare it to. It’s a solid business model that has worked for 50 years. Just fill the ship no matter what, then extract all the on board revenue you can out of them. 

[Nathan Graveson]

Hi all,

 

I want to cover a few things I have been thinking about after I found out about this news the other day...

I must say, these are my personal opinions, I do have mixed feelings when it comes to Carnival Corp, both in good and bad ways, but that's besides the point.

 

Now, firstly, the shipyard... It must be said that Fincantieri are not a BAD shipyard by any means, however, they lack the experience of building larger, 200,000+ gross ton vessels, something only 2 shipyards in the world have mastered, that being Chantiers De L'Atlantique (Oasis-Class and World-Class) in St. Nazaire, France and Meyer Turku (First 2 Oasis-Class vessels, Excel-Class & Icon-Class) in Turku, Finland. This means that Fincantieri simply do not have either the space/facilities to construct them over that size, or they like to overcomplicate the designs, making it difficult to construct anyways.

 

Then, we have to look back at the failed Pinnacle-Project of the 2000s. A project as ambitious as ever, but was lost to the financial issues facing the Euro currency trade. From what I have though about, we could very well see a new design inspired by that project, with the large promenade deck that wraps around the whole ship above the lifeboat deck, to the top-deck attractions - which it must be said a new, longer version of Bolt would be installed. Also, talking of the Pinnacle-Project, we need to cover size... cause it matters.

 

208,000 gross tons is what is being reported here. That so happens to be the exact same tonnage of the new Disney Adventure (formerly Global Dream), but no, its not a coincidence. Also mentioned in one of the articles is that this new ship class will be based on Princess Cruises new Prototype ships, the Sphere-Class, which is 180,000 gross tons. What we can expect from this ship is for it to carry much of the same hull design - only enlarged and modified to meet the demands of the increase in tonnage on the main superstructure. No, there won't be a large sphere in the middle, however we can expect a large ocean-view window on each side of the superstructure.

 

Then the competition. Icon of the Seas, is the comparison most people are making, but remember, Royal can do anything and do it well, Carnival can't. Royal could build a 300,000 gross ton vessel any day and it wouldn't even shock us cause they know how to perfect a product, again, Carnival just can't. If Carnival really want to shock the industry, they are gonna have to really push themselves to be bold and different cause the Excel-Class played it safe, nearly identical across the four brands that got them, only few changes. So whatever this new ship class is, it better be different and unique, or else Carnival will fall flat on their faces and Royal will coast on with the majority Market Share....

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, Nathan Graveson said:

Now, firstly, the shipyard... It must be said that Fincantieri are not a BAD shipyard by any means, however, they lack the experience of building larger, 200,000+ gross ton vessels, something only 2 shipyards in the world have mastered, that being Chantiers De L'Atlantique (Oasis-Class and World-Class) in St. Nazaire, France and Meyer Turku (First 2 Oasis-Class vessels, Excel-Class & Icon-Class) in Turku, Finland.

You do know that Fincantieri owns 50% of Chantiers?

[BlerkOne]

3 hours ago, Nathan Graveson said:

 

 

Then the competition. Icon of the Seas, is the comparison most people are making, but remember, Royal can do anything and do it well, Carnival can't. Royal could build a 300,000 gross ton vessel any day and it wouldn't even shock us cause they know how to perfect a product, again, Carnival just can't. If Carnival really want to shock the industry, they are gonna have to really push themselves to be bold and different cause the Excel-Class played it safe, nearly identical across the four brands that got them, only few changes. So whatever this new ship class is, it better be different and unique, or else Carnival will fall flat on their faces and Royal will coast on with the majority Market Share....

Not buying any of that, but Royal is better at paying more per lower bunk, and with unique designs having a disadvantage at economies of scale as well.

[longhorn2004]

More info from different sources.

 

https://www.cruisehive.com/are-huge-new-carnival-owned-cruise-ships-coming/120990

 

https://cruiseradio.net/carnivals-plan-for-more-mega-cruise-ships/

 

https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/shipbuilding-refurb-equipment/carnival-signals-cruise-newbuild-orders-cards-probable-2027-delivery