Vlogging on cruise ships

[gerryuk]

As you will be aware, a couple of vloggers from the UK, stormed off a cruise ship with MSC after they were told to stop filming. The incident is discussed at length on the MSC board, please go over there, for that topic.

I would be interested to hear your comments on vloggers generally. Personally I believe in general, vloggers have been good for the cruise industry, but it seems to me that there are so many of them now, its at saturation point.

For me i don't mind people filming and taking pictures on the ship, as long as they don't film me. I do not want people filming on the next table to me in the restaurant or buffet, even if they are not filming me. I think filming in those areas should be banned. 

I think the time has come for the cruise lines to come up some rules and regulations regarding filming on their property. 

Will be interested to hear your take on this, but please don't discuss the vloggers from the UK, go over to the MSC boards for that discussion. 

 

 

Edited March 15 by gerryuk

[leaveitallbehind]

26 minutes ago, gerryuk said:

As you will be aware, a couple of vloggers from the UK, stormed off a cruise ship with MSC after they were told to stop filming. The incident is discussed at length on the MSC board, please go over there, for that topic.

I would be interested to hear your comments on vloggers generally. Personally I believe in general, vloggers have been good for the cruise industry, but it seems to me that there are so many of them now, its at saturation point.

For me i don't mind people filming and taking pictures on the ship, as long as they don't film me. I do not want people filming on the next table to me in the restaurant or buffet, even if they are not filming me. I think filming in those areas should be banned. 

I think the time has come for the cruise lines to come up some rules and regulations regarding filming on their property. 

Will be interested to hear your take on this, but please don't discuss the vloggers from the UK, go over to the MSC boards for that discussion. 

 

 

I'm confused - are you in favor of the vloggers and upset with MSC, or support their actions with telling them to stop filming?

 

You list a number of reasons that honestly I would agree with regarding not wanting to be filmed at all, not wanting to film people next to you while dining, and banning areas and times on the ship that filming can be allowed.  You basically paint a clear picture of all of the valid reasons why they were asked to stop filming.  And as mentioned, I agree.  IMO vloggers who film openly in crowds of passengers and without regard to their fellow passengers are doing so for their own agenda and should not be allowed to interfere with the times and activities of other passengers.

Edited March 15 by leaveitallbehind

[Hlitner]

I think vloggers should be banned on cruise ships.  Folks have an expectation of reasonable privacy, on a cruise.  While we do not personally care about the privacy thing, we do not appreciate the annoyance.  It is bad enough having to deal with official ship photographers/videographers on mass market cruise lines (one more reason why we prefer small ship luxury lines where this is not an issue).

 

Hank

[gerryuk]

1 hour ago, leaveitallbehind said:

I'm confused - are you in favor of the vloggers and upset with MSC, or support their actions with telling them to stop filming?

 

 

I would support any cruise line that asks people that are continually filming to stop.

 

[Essiesmom]

I object because their reason for filming is to put it out on their blog and YouTube to make money.  Easy money?  The same reason I object to people making a Perfect Guide to…posting it here with a link to YouTube….and making money through hits.  I seldom look at videos, occasionally if someone is looking for cabin pics, occasionally one in a Live from.  Many are so poorly done they are painful to watch.  EM

[SbbquilterUT]

I do enjoy watching videos from a variety of sources (they range from very good to poor).  I have always enjoyed B&D videos and they rarely film with people around.  More annoying would be the folks who walk around busy decks or film from the hot tub.  It would be very difficult to separate the casual folks filming for private reasons and those doing it for a job.  Also I find it not nice to see folks post pictures on Facebook that do not blur out faces of other passengers.  

[mom says]

Seems to me that if you are going to ban vloggers, then by the same token you need to ban any photography of any kind (video or still) by anyone while in any public area of the ship. 

 

And I would argue that legally there is no expectation of personal privacy while in any public area.

 

I could certainly forsee rules placing limits on filming with equipment like tripods and lights which would physically interfere with activities in that area. 

 

There are some cruise vloggers who produce quality videos that provide excellent information. I wouldnt want to see that disappear. As for the ones who have an inferior product - they tend to disappear due to lack of views. A kind of natural selection. 

[MacMadame]

2 hours ago, Hlitner said:

I think vloggers should be banned on cruise ships. 

So vloggers can't go on vacation? Also, what counts as a vlogger? I have a YouTube channel but I don't think anyone would call me a vlogger. I think I have 2 subs. LOL (I have 26 on TikTok - whee!) These days lots of people take photos and make videos while on vacation and often post them on social media. That doesn't make them vloggers.

 

11 minutes ago, mom says said:

And I would argue that legally there is no expectation of personal privacy while in any public area.

I don't think legally a cruise ship is considered a public space but it probably depends on the laws where you are.

 

I had heard about those vloggers being told not to film but I didn't hear they flounced off the ship like a bunch of drama queens. 🤣 MSC has every right to tell people what to do including not filming if they don't want that. Plus, I follow at least two YouTubers who have taken videos on MSC and not gotten in trouble so it makes me wonder what exactly was going on in this situation.

 

I guess I'll have to pop into the MSC form to find out.

[leaveitallbehind]

29 minutes ago, mom says said:

Seems to me that if you are going to ban vloggers, then by the same token you need to ban any photography of any kind (video or still) by anyone while in any public area of the ship. 

 

And I would argue that legally there is no expectation of personal privacy while in any public area.

 

I could certainly forsee rules placing limits on filming with equipment like tripods and lights which would physically interfere with activities in that area. 

 

There are some cruise vloggers who produce quality videos that provide excellent information. I wouldnt want to see that disappear. As for the ones who have an inferior product - they tend to disappear due to lack of views. A kind of natural selection. 

Big difference between people taking family pictures on their cell phones and vloggers wandering around all over the ship filming people who may not wish to end up on a YouTube video. Legal or not, that is an invasion of my privacy and I would certainly not want to find myself on some internet video as a result. 

 

IMO the best and most valid use of these videos are those shot on port days when the ship is mainly empty with the intent of showing different ship venues. Typically these vloggers try to avoid people in their filming out of respect for their privacy and their goal to focus on venues.

 

The other problem is there is no way to know which is a quality video v the inferior product as it is being produced on board.  One's opinion of that can only be determined after it appears on the internet.  I'm all for restricting this practice.

[gerryuk]

39 minutes ago, mom says said:

And I would argue that legally there is no expectation of personal privacy while in any public area.

 

 

A cruise ship is private property, the owners have every right to stop people filming on their property.

[gerryuk]

11 minutes ago, MacMadame said:

So vloggers can't go on vacation?

If your vlogging you are working. If you are a vlogger and go on a cruise without filming then you are on vacation, there is a big difference. 

Remember every click you get on YouTube equals payment. I read some ware that the inland revenue (tax office) in the UK are starting to look into payments to vloggers who are not paying tax on this money.   

[leaveitallbehind]

21 minutes ago, MacMadame said:

So vloggers can't go on vacation? 

Sure they can, as long as they are vacationing and don't stick their cameras in my face.  Different points altogether and not IMO the point of this thread.

Edited March 15 by leaveitallbehind

[1025cruise]

2 hours ago, Essiesmom said:

I object because their reason for filming is to put it out on their blog and YouTube to make money.  Easy money?  The same reason I object to people making a Perfect Guide to…posting it here with a link to YouTube….and making money through hits.  I seldom look at videos, occasionally if someone is looking for cabin pics, occasionally one in a Live from.  Many are so poorly done they are painful to watch.  EM

For any new subjects posted here on these forums that just contain a YT link, I report them as SPAM.

[MacMadame]

3 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

Sure they can, as long as they are vacationing and don't stick their cameras in my face.  Different points altogether and not IMO the point of this thread.

My point is that many times you can't tell if someone is a vlogger or a regular vacationer so just banning them isn't practical.

[klfrodo]

I support vloggers. I have zero expectation of privacy in the common areas of a cruise ship or cruise port.

Edited March 15 by klfrodo

[mammajamma2013]

1 hour ago, mom says said:

I could certainly forsee rules placing limits on filming with equipment like tripods and lights which would physically interfere with activities in that area. 

 

I agree.

[navybankerteacher]

6 hours ago, gerryuk said:

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For me i don't mind people filming and taking pictures on the ship, as long as they don't film me. I do not want people filming on the next table to me in the restaurant or buffet, even if they are not filming me. I think filming in those areas should be banned. 

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6 hours ago, gerryuk said:

 

 

If you do not want to be filmed, wouldn’t you understand that others probably would not like it as well?  As long as they do it to others you feel it’s OK ?  

[Kristelle]

I think it is unethical to take videos or pictures of other people without their consent -  I'm not a vlogger but I don't take my own photos of others without their consent- other than as faces i n a crowd, say, a picture of a footy crowd or panoramic shot of a beach

Take and post on social media photos of yourselves, your companions who consented, your cabin, your meals, etc, taking the photos, videos doing  in a way that doesnt impact on others -eg  don't block the entrance to the dining room

 

I think any ship has the right t o ask people to stop filming it if is likely doing any of the above..

[leaveitallbehind]

3 hours ago, MacMadame said:

My point is that many times you can't tell if someone is a vlogger or a regular vacationer so just banning them isn't practical.

I also never said ban - I said restrict.  For instance, limiting their filming time to early morning, or late evening, or on port days when the passenger load would be lowest so as not to infringe on their privacy.  Not filming where large groups are involved or venues where numerous passengers would be present. Seeking permission from any passenger who may be filmed to be certain they would be OK with an internet presence.  Etc. 

 

In other words IMO they should be limited to activates and times when they would be the least intrusive with other passengers.  Their point as I understand it is to show the venues and provide a pictorial representation of the ship.  This IMO does not require random passenger involvement. And certainly never mine.

Edited March 16 by leaveitallbehind

[gerryuk]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

 

 

If you do not want to be filmed, wouldn’t you understand that others probably would not like it as well?  As long as they do it to others you feel it’s OK ?  

Absolutely not, its not ok. 

[ilikeanswers]

6 hours ago, Essiesmom said:

I object because their reason for filming is to put it out on their blog and YouTube to make money.  Easy money?  

 

I'm curious why do you think it is a bad thing that they are doing it to make money?

 

And I wouldn't call it easy money. I have a friend who is a travel blogger specialising in the Balkans region and she spends hours a day of social networking to get her content viewed while having to create a constant stream of new content to keep subscribers engaged. Unless you're in the top 1% you're usually not making a fortune. 

Edited March 16 by ilikeanswers

[navybankerteacher]

3 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said:

 

I'm curious why do you think it is a bad thing that they are doing it to make money? 

Good question:  whether or not an activity makes money for the person who performs has next to nothing to do with its being detrimental to others.  
 

And, when you get right down to it, what is wrong with earning “Easy money”?   That is what intelligent people prefer over hard- earned dollars.

[ilikeanswers]

The reality is anyone and everyone can put photos of you online. They may not be running a business but anyone can put their holiday pics on FB make it public and then everyone has access to photos you might incidentally be in. Especially if you visit a really touristy place it is almost impossible not to be photographed, all you can hope is you just blend in with the crowd🤷‍♀️. 

 

Just look at all the gifs and memes online and how many are just random photos someone took because they thought someone looked funny at the time. Rarely the subjects of those viral photos or videos gave their permission (some have even gone to court 🙄) so I don't really think a professional blogger or vlogger is any worst. If anything they at least edit their photos so you might come out better looking 😂. 

Edited March 16 by ilikeanswers

[klfrodo]

I'm researching and watching tons of YouTube videos on NYC.

I've never been to NYC. I'm apprehensive about the experience. I'm glad people have taken the time to video NYC. How to best use the subway. What is Uptown vs. Downtown vs. Midtown. What are the latest scams I have to be aware of? Best way to buy theatre tickets. Can I get in to see a late-night show be taped?  These people spend thousands of dollars learning how to video, how to edit, how to produce, purchase expensive equipment.... why shouldn't they make a buck? and yes, there are people in the background who didn't give their permission.

 

I do the same thing when researching cities I'm cruising into, visiting for the day, and sailing out of. Hell, I even used YouTube to learn how to remodel my bathroom.

Edited March 16 by klfrodo

[MacMadame]

5 hours ago, leaveitallbehind said:

For instance, limiting their filming time to early morning, or late evening, or on port days when the passenger load would be lowest so as not to infringe on their privacy.  Not filming where large groups are involved or venues where numerous passengers would be present. Seeking permission from any passenger who may be filmed to be certain they would be OK with an internet presence.  Etc. 

The vloggers involved did that. According to Ben & David's video on the subject, MSC said that only influencers who had registered with them ahead of time (and agreed to certain things?) were allowed to video. So it had nothing to do with their behavior and everything to do with MSC rules (that don't seem to be published?)