cruising.mark.uk Posted June 29 #126 Share Posted June 29 13 minutes ago, Megabear2 said: 'However, norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships account for only a small percentage (1%) of all reported norovirus outbreaks.' Seems to me that this is the most interesting element of the CDC piece. It makes it even more irrational for so many online and in the media to get so exercised about norovirus cases on ships when any given individual is many more times likely to pick it up in their everyday life than they are when they go on a cruise. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted June 29 #127 Share Posted June 29 36 minutes ago, LittleTinker said: Many factors affect it such as ship layout and features Azura ? Crown Princess....Ventura ??? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted June 29 #128 Share Posted June 29 47 minutes ago, LittleTinker said: I didn't say it was exclusive to elderly. It's more prevalent where more elderly visit in large numbers. Must be rife on Saga then🤣 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted June 29 #129 Share Posted June 29 It seems to be called Norovirus when reported on cruise ships, but "the vomiting bug" when talking about schools (especially infant and nursery) or hospitals. As far as I am aware, the "bug" is one that constantly changes, so nobody ever builds up a specific immunity, just that some bodies cope with it in a dramatic way, some more or less ignore it. It can be dangerous for people who are generally frail because of the stress of constant vomiting and the risk of dehydration. It has to be taken seriously in places that cannot simply be closed down, such as cruise ships, not least because the symptoms are almost identical to some other much nastier causes (e.coli, anybody?) so suspected Noro passengers get tested (good news if told "you've just eaten/drunk too much....)to make sure it is Noro. Then, of course, the reports go out about cruise from hell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Funboy Posted June 29 #130 Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, cruising.mark.uk said: Seems to me that this is the most interesting element of the CDC piece. It makes it even more irrational for so many online and in the media to get so exercised about norovirus cases on ships when any given individual is many more times likely to pick it up in their everyday life than they are when they go on a cruise. Sorry to disagree but when on a cruise you are in a confined space and also sharing utensils in the buffet when others are using the same implements. At home how often do you have perhaps hundreds of people sharing your implements, tables, chairs and space? You have outdoors to go to. You certainly have better hygene than on a cruise. You may pick it up in normal life if you mix with many others but on a ship you are always in a crowd and therefore have a much greater chance of picking up viruses and illness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Megabear2 Posted June 29 #131 Share Posted June 29 15 minutes ago, Funboy said: Sorry to disagree but when on a cruise you are in a confined space and also sharing utensils in the buffet when others are using the same implements. At home how often do you have perhaps hundreds of people sharing your implements, tables, chairs and space? You have outdoors to go to. You certainly have better hygene than on a cruise. You may pick it up in normal life if you mix with many others but on a ship you are always in a crowd and therefore have a much greater chance of picking up viruses and illness. However the figure, even taking all your fair points into account, is still only 1% of reported norovirus is on cruise ships which is actually good. Obviously one or two ships encounter a more severe problem but overall the figure is remarkably low considering how many ships and passengers are at sea every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted June 29 #132 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Funboy said: Sorry to disagree but when on a cruise you are in a confined space and also sharing utensils in the buffet when others are using the same implements. At home how often do you have perhaps hundreds of people sharing your implements, tables, chairs and space? You have outdoors to go to. You certainly have better hygene than on a cruise. You may pick it up in normal life if you mix with many others but on a ship you are always in a crowd and therefore have a much greater chance of picking up viruses and illness. But people are most infectious when they have symptoms, which is when they should be quarantined in their cabins and should limit the spread of Noro. So the paranoia about infected utensils is, IMO, overstated. But if you feel you're under threat you can always avoid the self service restaurants. Edited June 29 by terrierjohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Blue Posted June 29 #133 Share Posted June 29 3 hours ago, LittleTinker said: We’re not hearing it about Arcadia and Aurora which really do attract an older demographic. It was pretty bad on Arcadia in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangedRose Posted June 29 #134 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Cheshire Blue said: It was pretty bad on Arcadia in November. And on Aurora earlier this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9265359 Posted June 29 #135 Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, terrierjohn said: So the paranoia about infected utensils is, IMO, overstated. If you wanted a situation where infected people are touching things that others will then touch after washing their hands and then use their fingers to eat with without again washing their hands, then utensils in the buffet has got to be a damn good choice. If people are careful (and the staff clean properly) then in most other circumstances you are washing your hands after touching common surfaces but before eating. Whereas in the buffet there is a lot of touching common surfaces after you have washed your hands, and I have rarely seen anyone get their food and then go and wash their hands again before eating. 2 hours ago, terrierjohn said: But if you feel you're under threat you can always avoid the self service restaurants. And miss out on the tepid food, the crowds, the fighting for a table... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaefell Posted June 29 #136 Share Posted June 29 7 hours ago, Cheshire Blue said: It was pretty bad on Arcadia in November. Back in May last year there were problems on Arcadia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted July 3 #137 Share Posted July 3 My Mrs has just read out to me a bit of a horror story ,which unfolded on the Ventura.(Could happen on any ship really ) The woman says they had a good holiday on the Ventura and even though Noro cases were reported ,her and hubby managed to stay healthy . On their disembarkation day they were sent to the MDR and were sat at a table with other folk until it was time to leave the ship. One couple were suffering with Noro and another couple,one had covid. To make matters worse ,the cougher/splutterier had no mask. All this table were coach passengers and were on the same coach . The journey home was not a good one as we can all imagine . Does anyone still carry masks in their cruise luggage ? The cruise companies advise folk to do so. Does anyone have a back up plan ? Yes when we are ill we want to get home but would it not be better to book a room in a hotel for a few days until recovered . Expensive with the added travel but .. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplesea Posted July 3 #138 Share Posted July 3 18 minutes ago, kalos said: Does anyone still carry masks in their cruise luggage ? Yes. I carry of couple of masks in my handbag along with anti-bacterial wipes, and throw a few in my cases when packing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bin man Posted July 3 #139 Share Posted July 3 Yep we carry some with us just incase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted July 3 #140 Share Posted July 3 12 minutes ago, purplesea said: Yes. I carry of couple of masks in my handbag along with anti-bacterial wipes, and throw a few in my cases when packing. In my ' man bag ' I have 4 individually wrapped masks and some wipes. When we were in St Ives a couple of weeks ago I wore a mask and Sunglasses.....when feeding the Gulls.🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel57 Posted July 3 #141 Share Posted July 3 Yes I take a couple of masks on a cruise - just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse001 Posted July 3 #142 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, kalos said: My Mrs has just read out to me a bit of a horror story ,which unfolded on the Ventura.(Could happen on any ship really ) The woman says they had a good holiday on the Ventura and even though Noro cases were reported ,her and hubby managed to stay healthy . On their disembarkation day they were sent to the MDR and were sat at a table with other folk until it was time to leave the ship. One couple were suffering with Noro and another couple,one had covid. To make matters worse ,the cougher/splutterier had no mask. All this table were coach passengers and were on the same coach . The journey home was not a good one as we can all imagine . Does anyone still carry masks in their cruise luggage ? The cruise companies advise folk to do so. Does anyone have a back up plan ? Yes when we are ill we want to get home but would it not be better to book a room in a hotel for a few days until recovered . Expensive with the added travel but .. ? I always pack some masks in my luggage just in case... Example - I have been at the hospital a lot recently (visiting relatives long term stay)& COVID EVERYWHERE. I only found out as hospital sent a relative home with COVID & a nurse friend works there. Also c diff in the hospital. I was not aware of this information - what If I was to go on a cruise days later 🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted July 3 #143 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, zap99 said: When we were in St Ives a couple of weeks ago I wore a mask and Sunglasses.....when feeding the Gulls.🤣 Yet they still recognised you😁 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranchi Posted July 3 #144 Share Posted July 3 Recently returned from a cruise. Fortunately we were fine but on the day before sailing we received an e-Mail requesting passengers who were showing symptoms of GI illness not to travel. That’s fair enough but I felt that the e-Mail should have given passengers advice about how to best proceed re: cancelling & claiming insurance etc. As it was I would imagine a significant number of passengers would have already started their journey (& therefore have no access to their own GP) and faced with a potentially high financial loss may not make the best decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted July 3 #145 Share Posted July 3 One of the problems is that in order to claim on travel insurance, you usually have to have something on your GP records about it. Getting that done means first getting a GP appointment......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleTinker Posted July 3 #146 Share Posted July 3 7 hours ago, kalos said: My Mrs has just read out to me a bit of a horror story ,which unfolded on the Ventura.(Could happen on any ship really ) The woman says they had a good holiday on the Ventura and even though Noro cases were reported ,her and hubby managed to stay healthy . On their disembarkation day they were sent to the MDR and were sat at a table with other folk until it was time to leave the ship. One couple were suffering with Noro and another couple,one had covid. To make matters worse ,the cougher/splutterier had no mask. All this table were coach passengers and were on the same coach . The journey home was not a good one as we can all imagine . Does anyone still carry masks in their cruise luggage ? The cruise companies advise folk to do so. Does anyone have a back up plan ? Yes when we are ill we want to get home but would it not be better to book a room in a hotel for a few days until recovered . Expensive with the added travel but .. ? I dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted July 3 #147 Share Posted July 3 12 minutes ago, LittleTinker said: I dont. Your choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare carlanthony24 Posted July 3 #148 Share Posted July 3 Personally don't take masks anywhere now. Did not before the pandemic and do not now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palaceman Posted July 3 #149 Share Posted July 3 We always take masks. Let's face it, they're light and don't take up much room in suit cases or a handbag and we have them just in case. We also used disposable gloves in the buffet on our last cruise. This was a good move as I heard a conversation between a couple whilst I was waiting to wash my hands before entering the buffet. The man was asked by his companion why he was not washing his hands. His reply was, "Because I washed them in the cabin before we came up". That got me thinking, I wonder how many surfaces he had touched before arriving at the buffet. Bathroom door? Cabin door? Lift buttons? Or stair hand rails? etc. Yuk!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleTinker Posted July 3 #150 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, kalos said: Your choice Yes, I know that thank you. I was answering the question. But thanks for your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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