Celebrity Dress Code Discussion Thread

[PoppyandNana]

No one really cares what YOU wear on YOUR vacation. It's called R-E-S-P-E-C-T for the dress code policy. It's a virtue some were taught growing up. :rolleyes:

 

 

With trepidation I go back to the fancy event analogy which has been used ad nauseaum. You know, you're invited to an event where the invitation says "black tie". Would your shorts and tee shirt fly? Or a wedding at the Union Club?

 

Of course we could revive the threads of the "nice" factor, you know: but they're "nice" shorts, tee shirts, jeans, flip flops and on and on. Second thought, let's not.

 

I don't have the answers. All I know it bothers me when a guy, as on our last cruise, shows up on the formal night with rartty shorts, tee shirt and a ball cap worn backwards. Bothers me more when none of the maitre D' says anything. However, the CC hostess is a tiger if you show up at the evening cocktail period with shorts.

 

Let's take it it to the opposite spectrum. This of course is the guy that dresses out at about 275 wearing a speedo in the buffet line? Anyone bothered by this?

 

Maybe I'm just a 70 year old cruise purist who remembers HAL cruises of the 80's and 90's when this was never a topic.

Edited July 6, 2015 by PoppyandNana

[twin123185]

This wasn't really a topic I don't think until the past 10 years. The world as we knew it has certainly changed!

[gek]

This wasn't really a topic I don't think until the past 10 years. The world as we knew it has certainly changed!

 

The world hasn't changed that much but the cruise industry has had a lot of catching up to do. Ten years ago I would only cruise on downmarket lines (if at all) because cruise ship dress codes were stuck in the dark ages. The idea that I couldn't wear clothes that I could wear to absolutely any land-based restaurant was absurd to me and most of the non-cruisers I know are still astonished that formal dress codes still exist. Some are pleased and excited by the concept but many just turn up their nose and use it as one more reason not to take a cruise.

 

It's these people that the cruise lines have to cater for if they want to expand their market. They are not uncouth slobs, just average people who prefer a casual vacation. The problem the cruise company has is trying to keep everyone happy, both formal and casual types, an area where I actually think Celebrity does a pretty good job and why I prefer to cruise with them.

[Arzeena]

To all you people who complain about people and are proud to get people kicked out of a dining room. Get a life. Enjoy YOUR vacation. I could care less what anyone else does.

 

LIKE LIKE! :D I couldn't have said it better!

[RocketMan275]

No one really cares what YOU wear on YOUR vacation. It's called R-E-S-P-E-C-T for the dress code policy. It's a virtue some were taught growing up. :rolleyes:

 

When I was growing up, I was taught that "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" is a two-way street. Simply dress as you wish and "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" the wishes of others to dress as they wish.

[RocketMan275]

The world hasn't changed that much but the cruise industry has had a lot of catching up to do. Ten years ago I would only cruise on downmarket lines (if at all) because cruise ship dress codes were stuck in the dark ages. The idea that I couldn't wear clothes that I could wear to absolutely any land-based restaurant was absurd to me and most of the non-cruisers I know are still astonished that formal dress codes still exist. Some are pleased and excited by the concept but many just turn up their nose and use it as one more reason not to take a cruise.

 

It's these people that the cruise lines have to cater for if they want to expand their market. They are not uncouth slobs, just average people who prefer a casual vacation. The problem the cruise company has is trying to keep everyone happy, both formal and casual types, an area where I actually think Celebrity does a pretty good job and why I prefer to cruise with them.

 

An excellent assessment. Keeping everyone happy can be challenging. I would propose that cruise lines could find a compromise acceptable to most by designating traditional dining (either early or late or both) as the venue for formal nights. Formal attire would be acceptable but not required in Select Dining. You would be informed at booking that signing up for traditional dining includes signing up to the formal dress code and given a choice between traditional/formal and select/casual dining.

 

An advantage would be the concentration of those in formal wear in certain times and venues increasing the satisfaction of those who like to celebrate formal nights in the company of those similarly minded. Those who prefer casual wear could still enjoy the MDR rather than being banished to alternative venues.

[conte]

I respect people, prefer them to corporate policy. Can't say I have ever paid attention to someone else's dinner attire. I do agree if the standard is no shorts, then no shorts. Other than that, have a good time on your vacation and I'll enjoy mine.

[Wine-O]

When I was growing up, I was taught that "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" is a two-way street. Simply dress as you wish and "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" the wishes of others to dress as they wish.

 

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. :eek:

 

Your analogy is bogus. I'm saying respect Celebrity's dress code, and you are saying Celebrity should respect your wishes to wear anything you freaking want to -- it's your cruise, so you're going to wear what you want. :rolleyes:

[Ma Bell]

When I was growing up, I was taught that "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" is a two-way street. Simply dress as you wish and "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" the wishes of others to dress as they wish.

 

Celebrity offers plenty of choices for everyone to dress exactly as they wish. They just need to choose which venue they want to attend. I think everyone respects those who make that choice. There is no disrespect regarding what others wear, the only time disrespect is shown is when those that want to dress casually all the time insist on doing so in a venue that requires them to dress up a little. They are being disrespectful....period.

 

Can you explain to me how respect in this case is a two way street? What kind of respect is someone showing if they flagrantly disregard a dress code? It seems that you want the people who are abiding by the dress code to show respect for those who show no respect for it. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

No one is banished anywhere, they choose to be. All one has to do is put on a jacket and make an attempt to dress up a bit.

 

I really don't understand why some people are so anxious to make every cruise line in the world exactly like any other. There certainly is a race to the least common denominator. You can be sure that if a company thinks they can get away with raising prices and providing less for the money, they will. When they have a ship full of people who believe anything goes, that's exactly what they'll get.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Ma Bell

[vulcan1971]

Celebrity offers plenty of choices for everyone to dress exactly as they wish. They just need to choose which venue they want to attend. I think everyone respects those who make that choice. There is no disrespect regarding what others wear, the only time disrespect is shown is when those that want to dress casually all the time insist on doing so in a venue that requires them to dress up a little. They are being disrespectful....period.

 

Can you explain to me how respect in this case is a two way street? What kind of respect is someone showing if they flagrantly disregard a dress code? It seems that you want the people who are abiding by the dress code to show respect for those who show no respect for it. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

No one is banished anywhere, they choose to be. All one has to do is put on a jacket and make an attempt to dress up a bit.

 

I really don't understand why some people are so anxious to make every cruise line in the world exactly like any other. There certainly is a race to the least common denominator. You can be sure that if a company thinks they can get away with raising prices and providing less for the money, they will. When they have a ship full of people who believe anything goes, that's exactly what they'll get.

 

 

Thank you for this well stated post.

 

 

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[RocketMan275]

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. :eek:

 

Your analogy is bogus. I'm saying respect Celebrity's dress code, and you are saying Celebrity should respect your wishes to wear anything you freaking want to -- it's your cruise, so you're going to wear what you want. :rolleyes:

 

Celebrity offers plenty of choices for everyone to dress exactly as they wish. They just need to choose which venue they want to attend. I think everyone respects those who make that choice. There is no disrespect regarding what others wear, the only time disrespect is shown is when those that want to dress casually all the time insist on doing so in a venue that requires them to dress up a little.

 

Can you explain to me how respect in this case is a two way street? What kind of respect is someone showing if they flagrantly disregard a dress code? It seems that you want the people who are abiding by the dress code to show respect for those who show no respect for it. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

If Celebrity wants respect for their dress code, then Celebrity needs to enforce that dress code as written with few exceptions (medical, baggage, etc.).

 

As has been previously posted, Celebrity does not enforce the formal night dress code. If Celebrity allows passengers into the MDR, then other passengers should respect Celebrities decision and show respect to their fellow passengers.

[RocketMan275]

 

No one is banished anywhere, they choose to be. All one has to do is put on a jacket and make an attempt to dress up a bit.

 

I really don't understand why some people are so anxious to make every cruise line in the world exactly like any other. There certainly is a race to the least common denominator. You can be sure that if a company thinks they can get away with raising prices and providing less for the money, they will. When they have a ship full of people who believe anything goes, that's exactly what they'll get.

 

Just noticed your edit: Do you think Azamara is involved in a "race to the least common denominator" or "raising prices and providing less" or is on the way to becoming an "anything goes" cruise line?

[Jane2357]

For those of you that don't care for or don't wish to follow the dress code on Celebrity - check out the Chat with Lisa - Celebrity's CEO. Someone asked and she answered. :D:D:D

 

Spoiler alert - Formal Night is Formal. :p

 

"What is the "real" dress policy for Celebrity? ie On formal nights, do I have to be in "Formal Attire" or will business casual work? In MDR? In Specialty restaurants?

by Jay 12:17 PM ↑0

 

Lisa Lutoff-Perlo,...

Yes, "formal night" is formal night and "business casual" is not appropriate unless dining in a specialty restaurant or Oceanview Cafe."

12:17 PM

Edited July 6, 2015 by Jane2357

[Ma Bell]

For those of you that don't care for or don't wish to follow the dress code on Celebrity - check out the Chat with Lisa - Celebrity's CEO. Someone asked and she answered. :D:D:D

 

Spoiler alert - Formal Night is Formal. :p

 

"What is the "real" dress policy for Celebrity? ie On formal nights, do I have to be in "Formal Attire" or will business casual work? In MDR? In Specialty restaurants?

by Jay 12:17 PM ↑0

 

Lisa Lutoff-Perlo,...

Yes, "formal night" is formal night and "business casual" is not appropriate unless dining in a specialty restaurant or Oceanview Cafe."

12:17 PM

 

Seems clear doesn't it?

[dkjretired]

This wasn't really a topic I don't think until the past 10 years. The world as we knew it has certainly changed!

 

The reason it wasn't a topic until some number of years ago was simple. You either dressed up or you didn't eat. There were no Specialty restaurants and Celebrity did not have a buffet for dinner . Your only choice was room service. You were required to dress up for the entire ship, you would be asked to leave theater, casino, bars,etc. It was enforced all over the ship so you had the choice of dressing up or staying in your room.

Edited July 6, 2015 by dkjretired

[Ma Bell]

Just noticed your edit: Do you think Azamara is involved in a "race to the least common denominator" or "raising prices and providing less" or is on the way to becoming an "anything goes" cruise line?

 

Apples and Oranges.

[Wine-O]

For those of you that don't care for or don't wish to follow the dress code on Celebrity - check out the Chat with Lisa - Celebrity's CEO. Someone asked and she answered. :D:D:D

 

Spoiler alert - Formal Night is Formal. :p

 

"What is the "real" dress policy for Celebrity? ie On formal nights, do I have to be in "Formal Attire" or will business casual work? In MDR? In Specialty restaurants?

by Jay 12:17 PM ↑0

 

Lisa Lutoff-Perlo,...

Yes, "formal night" is formal night and "business casual" is not appropriate unless dining in a specialty restaurant or Oceanview Cafe."

12:17 PM

 

LOL. Yeah, but that just won't seem to cut it from the "I'll dress how I want on Formal Nights in the MDR" crowd. :rolleyes:

[Ma Bell]

If Celebrity wants respect for their dress code, then Celebrity needs to enforce that dress code as written with few exceptions (medical, baggage, etc.).

 

As has been previously posted, Celebrity does not enforce the formal night dress code. If Celebrity allows passengers into the MDR, then other passengers should respect Celebrities decision and show respect to their fellow passengers.

 

Why should they have to "enforce" the dress code? You can't enforce manners or good taste. These people are supposed to be adults. Do the staff have argue with fools? I've never seen anyone give another passenger a bad time about what they are wearing but that's a long way from respecting them. People who come here for answers should be given the correct information. What they do with it is their choice. As far as I know I can "think" whatever I like and I don't respect people who think the rules don't apply to them.

 

Once they are in the dining room, it isn't my concern. There are times when someone has lost luggage or extenuating circumstances. That's not the case with posters here who just want to do whatever they like, whenever they like.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Ma Bell

[Jane2357]

So there you have it - the CEO herself stated that Formal is Formal and business casual isn't appropriate unless in the buffet or specialty restaurant. :D

 

Getting the Maitre Ds to enforce it shouldn't be all that hard now, just print off a copy of their boss saying so - and show it to them. Who do you think that they want to tick off - a poorly dressed cruise passenger who is flaunting the rules or the CEO of Celebrity. :D

[ditmar2007]

What Americans consider formal is not necessarily the same as what an African, an Asian, or a Scandinavian consider formal.

 

I'm getting a dress made by a designer who occasionally creates dresses for female ministers who go to dinners with the Danish queen. They are definitely formal enough for that.

 

They may still seem casual for people outside my country.

Edited July 6, 2015 by ditmar2007

[neverbeenhere]

As stated many times, when in Rome... (yes, cruise ships are in Rome)

[ditmar2007]

As stated many times, when in Rome... (yes, cruise ships are in Rome)

 

I'm trying! I'm really trying!! :)

 

(I'm also paying $1000 for the dress - it doesn't GET much better here)

Edited July 6, 2015 by ditmar2007

[RocketMan275]

So there you have it - the CEO herself stated that Formal is Formal and business casual isn't appropriate unless in the buffet or specialty restaurant. :D

 

Getting the Maitre Ds to enforce it shouldn't be all that hard now, just print off a copy of their boss saying so - and show it to them. Who do you think that they want to tick off - a poorly dressed cruise passenger who is flaunting the rules or the CEO of Celebrity. :D

 

I wouldn't get so excited about her comments. They really don't change anything. No one on this thread has been debating what the official dress code is. What has been discussed is the difference between the written official dress code and the unwritten, unofficial, and actually enforced dress code. She said nothing that would change a thing. Now, had she said something about sending a sternly worded email on dress code enforcement to all ships at sea, that would have meant something.

 

I do not see why a printed copy of these words would prove any more useful in convincing ship board personnel to enforce the code than a copy of the written dress code. Has that worked in the past?

 

BTW, did she mention the dress code in Luminae?

[ditmar2007]

As stated many times, when in Rome... (yes, cruise ships are in Rome)

 

OK - how about this (as a subject of discussion - for the fun of it):

 

An American cruise ship sails in Scandinavian waters. Should the formal dress code be American or Scandinavian (not that the difference is that big, but anyhow)?

 

When in Rome....

[neverbeenhere]

Then wear it with pride. (Also, leave the price tag on):D