Celebrity Dress Code Discussion Thread

[Beanb41]

If formal nights on Celebrity ships were something special other than putting on ones best bib and tucker then I may have some sympathy for those espousing we should all get dressed up in our best clobber, but it isn't. The waiters sure put on jacket where they normally wear just a waistcoat, but the meal is the same, the service the same, nothing special. The exception is the first formal night when the concert is put back around an hour and the Captain and Senior Officers come on stage in the theatre for a champagne toast. Hurrah. And suite guests get the best seats in the theatre. Hurrah again.

[brfan]

Many of us have thought Celebrity would have done this a couple of years ago. I think we will get some surprises with the restaurants on the new ships along with elimination of formal nights.

 

I find it interesting that for Royal's Quantum class they did away with formal nights by just having one formal restaurant. All other dining venues on the Quantum class are either casual or smart casual, just Grande is formal all the time (except first evening). Yet people are still complaining about having to dress up to go there. Keep in mind it really isn't all that formal. I think for men they just need to wear a jacket of some kind. But on a regular basis there will be questions posted whether shorts can be worn or is it really formal and then the usual arguments for and against.

 

So If Celebrity follows suit and has one formal venue and a bunch that aren't formal, there will still be these threads and arguments.

[Gilbertsims]

I just finished a cruise on the Celebrity Constellation. With all this talk about dress code I want to mention that there was little or no enforcement of the policy in the main dining room. On smart causal nights many men were dressed in shorts and t shirts. Formal nights were also "tie less" by many. I personally don't like getting dressed up but followed the suggested dress code in the main dining room and specialty restaurants. When I just could bear dressing up I chose to eat at the buffet that evening.

[6502programmer]

So If Celebrity follows suit and has one formal venue and a bunch that aren't formal, there will still be these threads and arguments.

Like having a formal MDR and making the rest of the ship smart casual? That seems pretty reasonable.

[Cruise Junky]

Like having a formal MDR and making the rest of the ship smart casual? That seems pretty reasonable.

 

 

Not really. The difference in the two is you can go to a sit down restaurant and be served on Royal for free. You can't do that on Celebrity. Your smart casual choices are buffet or pay for a specialty restaurant. Once X has a sit down be served restaurant for free, then you can compare the two.

[Ma Bell]

One has one's facts a bit mixed up.

 

The earliest reference to a Dinner Suit was in Britain in 1860. The then Prince of Wales commissioned a Dinner Suit to replace the traditional long tailed jacket. His was Blue but others who took up the style didnt dare to copy the prince so kept with Black which has been the tradition ever since, White Jackets were often worn by the Navy Officers.

 

The slang 'Tuxedo' came in once the new style of Dinner Suit drifted across the pond . it first came to prominence at 'Tuxedo Park Club ' in New York, hence the 'American English' term sadly beginning to creep in to the home of the English language.

 

One is giving the definition of a dinner jacket as used by Celebrity in their dress code. One knows the difference.

[dkjretired]

I find it interesting that for Royal's Quantum class they did away with formal nights by just having one formal restaurant. All other dining venues on the Quantum class are either casual or smart casual, just Grande is formal all the time (except first evening). Yet people are still complaining about having to dress up to go there. Keep in mind it really isn't all that formal. I think for men they just need to wear a jacket of some kind. But on a regular basis there will be questions posted whether shorts can be worn or is it really formal and then the usual arguments for and against.

 

So If Celebrity follows suit and has one formal venue and a bunch that aren't formal, there will still be these threads and arguments.

 

Royal backed off on a number of things with their new system, apparently it is still a bit of confusion.

[Cruise Junky]

An interesting development. HAL, that even required formal in their specialty restaurants, has just dropped the requirement for jacket and tie on Gala evenings which is HAL's name for formal night

[LA_Design]

One is giving the definition of a dinner jacket as used by Celebrity in their dress code. One knows the difference.

 

 

Celebrity may be good at sailing big boats around the seas of the world but I wouldnt be using them for defining the English language. Facts are facts and a Dinner Suit is what I quoted QED[emoji41]

[MR_T]

Google is a great thing at times! [emoji57]

[Ma Bell]

Celebrity may be good at sailing big boats around the seas of the world but I wouldnt be using them for defining the English language. Facts are facts and a Dinner Suit is what I quoted QED[emoji41]

 

If they post both a tux and a dinner jacket as part of the dress code it is obviously redundant so it's fairly obvious that they post this to include white jackets and other colors so we stupid Americans understand. There are lots of cultural differences but since this comes from the North American website and not the UK version, you will just have to forgive our ignorance. By the way it says nothing about a dinner suit...only a dinner jacket.;)

 

As Mr. T says, Google is our friend. Here is an article that you may find interesting.

https://savvyfinds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/difference-between-a-dinner-jacket-blazer-and-sports-coat/

Edited August 12, 2015 by Ma Bell

[dkjretired]

If they post both a tux and a dinner jacket as part of the dress code it is obviously redundant so it's fairly obvious that they post this to include white jackets and other colors so we stupid Americans understand. There are lots of cultural differences but since this comes from the North American website and not the UK version, you will just have to forgive our ignorance. By the way it says nothing about a dinner suit...only a dinner jacket.;)

 

As Mr. T says, Google is our friend. Here is an article that you may find interesting.

https://savvyfinds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/difference-between-a-dinner-jacket-blazer-and-sports-coat/

 

And since it says nothing about a Dinner suit, the dinner suit is then deemed irrelevant.

[GUT2407]

And since it says nothing about a Dinner suit, the dinner suit is then deemed irrelevant.

 

A dinner suit is a tux is a dinner suit.

 

Just as a car is an automobile.

[Ma Bell]

A dinner suit is a tux is a dinner suit.

 

Just as a car is an automobile.

 

That's why they don't mention it.

[LA_Design]

One is giving the definition of a dinner jacket as used by Celebrity in their dress code. One knows the difference.

 

perhaps one could show where Celebrity say that a dinner jacket ( which is part of a Dinner suit) is not black as per your post.

 

I havent managed to find it and presumed it was your definition given the lack of any reference. As always I could be wrong , invariably with discussions with Boss lady, simply trying to continue with my studies towards a degree from the University of Life [emoji12]

[Ma Bell]

perhaps one could show where Celebrity say that a dinner jacket ( which is part of a Dinner suit) is not black as per your post.

 

I havent managed to find it and presumed it was your definition given the lack of any reference. As always I could be wrong , invariably with discussions with Boss lady, simply trying to continue with my studies towards a degree from the University of Life [emoji12]

 

I didn't say that dinner jackets are not black. Of course a dinner jacket is black when worn with black slacks and part of a dinner suit or tux. Sometimes even dinner suits are another color such as dark blue.;) Since Celebrity calls the dinner suit (English version) a tux (American version), they differentiate the dinner jacket and slacks combination as a jacket of another color (usually white) to avoid confusion.

 

The Celebrity dress code says Tuxedo, suit or dinner jacket and slacks.

[benchdex]

Remember one thing . Maybe 95 percent of people that cruise only read their cruise documents and would not even know that there is such a thing as Cruise Critic.

 

i suppose they also don't know Celebrity (and other major cruise lines) have their own websites which spell out these details as well?

 

Most thinking cruisers realize that following dress code is done as a matter of respect to the other cruisers. Some people could not care less about dress codes and would not care if people around them wore bath robes and flip flops in the theater and dining room.

 

Other cruisers who may be celebrating special occasion or simply enjoy more formality to a certain degree are in the majority and the cruise lines wisely defer to the frequent and loyal passengers.

 

The rules are quite broad and flexible, much more than in previous decades. The main thing everyone should focus on is good will and not defying common sensibilities.

 

For those who simply are unwilling to participate, they can enjoy the cruise as well. There is always room service or using the buffet on formal nights.

 

Can't we all focus more on good will and being good close quarter neighbors, rather than worrying and focusing on silly semantics?

 

Bon Voyage to all!

[Cruise Junky]

I didn't say that dinner jackets are not black.

 

Was your post perhaps deleted or updated? I swear I read your post saying that today too

[Ma Bell]

Was your post perhaps deleted or updated? I swear I read your post saying that today too

 

The Celebrity dinner jacket with slacks designation is meant for other color dinner jackets with slacks.

Edited August 13, 2015 by Ma Bell

[Cruise Junky]

The Celebrity dinner jacket with slacks designation is meant for other color dinner jackets with slacks.

 

"It is a tuxedo jacket of a different color than black." Found your post.

 

Casino Royale...James Bond's Dinner a Jacket is indeed black. Her quote..."there are Dinner Jackets, and then there are Dinner Jackets"

[Ma Bell]

"It is a tuxedo jacket of a different color than black." Found your post.

 

Casino Royale...James Bond's Dinner a Jacket is indeed black. Her quote..."there are Dinner Jackets, and then there are Dinner Jackets"

 

So are his pants so is he wearing a tux or a dinner jacket and slacks? I can't imagine why Celebrity would distinguish between the two categories. I think it's very easy to understand what I said but if you are playing "gotcha" enjoy yourself.:D

Edited August 13, 2015 by Ma Bell

[LA_Design]

I didn't say that dinner jackets are not black.

 

 

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There seem to be a few men that don't know what a dinner jacket is and interpret it to be a sport coat. It is a tuxedo jacket of a different color than black.

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Edited August 13, 2015 by LA_Design

[LA_Design]

"It is a tuxedo jacket of a different color than black." Found your post.

 

 

 

Casino Royale...James Bond's Dinner a Jacket is indeed black. Her quote..."there are Dinner Jackets, and then there are Dinner Jackets"

 

 

 

So are his pants so is he wearing a tux or a dinner jacket and slacks? I can't imagine why Celebrity would distinguish between the two categories. I think it's very easy to understand what I said but if you are playing "gotcha" enjoy yourself.:D

 

 

Mr Bond was purporting to be a British Agent. He would at that time be expected to wear ( and indeed was wearing) a Dinner Suit.

 

A Dinner Suit consists of a Dinner jacket and matching trousers. Were the trousers slack ?? It is difficult to tell on the old film footage , personally I thought they were a tad tight .

[Higgy64]

I'm confused....

 

Before people spend £1,000s on a cruise they usually read all the stuff on the website. In there is a piece that talks about Dress code, i.e. the rules of the ship - they are clearly stated. I'm not talking about the semantics of what does or doesn't constitute a Dinner Jacket/Suit here, I'm talking about the bits that say no shirts/t-shirts/ball caps in the Dining Rooms etc.

 

Why then, do people pay all this money and then ignore the rules ? More importantly though, why don't the staff enforce the rules - or remove them.

 

For me, sailing on Celebrity is about a "luxury" experience. If i want to wear T-shirts and shorts to dinner I'd go somewhere else (and probably spend a lot less money !).

 

On Formal nights I wear a black dinner suit (black tux) but I don't really pay much attention to whether others are wearing the same, or a lounge suit, or a shirt and tie - all formal in my eyes.. If people want to wear non-formal attire then that's fine, it's their holiday, but they shouldn't be allowed into the dining rooms and it's a buffet night for them.... those are the currently stated rules..

Edited August 13, 2015 by Higgy64

[GUT2407]

I'm confused....

 

Before people spend £1,000s on a cruise they usually read all the stuff on the website. In there is a piece that talks about Dress code, i.e. the rules of the ship - they are clearly stated. I'm not talking about the semantics of what does or doesn't constitute a Dinner Jacket/Suit here, I'm talking about the bits that say no shirts/t-shirts/ball caps in the Dining Rooms etc.

 

Why then, do people pay all this money and then ignore the rules ? More importantly though, why don't the staff enforce the rules - or remove them.

 

For me, sailing on Celebrity is about a "luxury" experience. If i want to wear T-shirts and shorts to dinner I'd go somewhere else (and probably spend a lot less money !).

 

On Formal nights I wear a black dinner suit (black tux) but I don't really pay much attention to whether others are wearing the same, or a lounge suit, or a shirt and tie - all formal in my eyes.. If people want to wear non-formal attire then that's fine, it's their holiday, but they shouldn't be allowed into the dining rooms and it's a buffet night for them.... those are the currently stated rules..

 

Pretty simple isn't it really.