joandian Posted July 28, 2016 #2326 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Navigator went to Stockholm in 2007 and the Getaway is booked for there multiple times next year. We were on Celebrity Eclipse and went to Stockholm. Does anyone know how her size compares to the ships in the RCI fleet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted July 28, 2016 #2327 Share Posted July 28, 2016 We were on Celebrity Eclipse and went to Stockholm. Does anyone know how her size compares to the ships in the RCI fleet? Eclipse is closest in size to Royal's Voyager class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherriZ366 Posted July 29, 2016 #2328 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Eclipse is closest in size to Royal's Voyager class.A bit smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted July 29, 2016 #2329 Share Posted July 29, 2016 A bit smaller. Smaller in enclosed volume, but longer in length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted July 29, 2016 #2330 Share Posted July 29, 2016 We were on Celebrity Eclipse and went to Stockholm. Does anyone know how her size compares to the ships in the RCI fleet? Eclipse has about 122,000 Gross Tons and Voyager class about 138,000. Voyager class is deeper and wider than Eclipse and most other ships mentioned before so that combination is the main issue with the entrance to Stockholm (and many orther ports in North Europe like e.g. Warnemuende/Rostock, Bergen and Riga just to name a few). Eclipse, Silhouette and Regal Princess go into Stockholm but with many restrictions (e.g. weather issues and daylight transite only). If even bigger ships like Norwegian Getwaway really are allowed to go into Stockholm from 2017 a Voyager class could indeed go as well. However, it might not work all the time and the calls are very short (9 am arrival and 3 pm departure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joandian Posted July 30, 2016 #2331 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Eclipse has about 122,000 Gross Tons and Voyager class about 138,000. Voyager class is deeper and wider than Eclipse and most other ships mentioned before so that combination is the main issue with the entrance to Stockholm (and many orther ports in North Europe like e.g. Warnemuende/Rostock, Bergen and Riga just to name a few). Eclipse, Silhouette and Regal Princess go into Stockholm but with many restrictions (e.g. weather issues and daylight transite only). If even bigger ships like Norwegian Getwaway really are allowed to go into Stockholm from 2017 a Voyager class could indeed go as well. However, it might not work all the time and the calls are very short (9 am arrival and 3 pm departure). Yes, if I remember correctly we left Stockholm mid afternoon and there was 4 cruise ships in a line heading out through the archipelago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted July 30, 2016 Author #2332 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I would tend to agree. I just wish Royal would take advantage of the 10 panamax ships (Radiance and Vision Classes, Empress) that they currently have sailing. :rolleyes: Agree!! With so well-sized, versatile ships they could offer a lot of appealing itineraries!! But you see, with mostly uninspired winter itineraries, even on the Panmax-ships, which clients RCCL are addressing... At least one ship for the Central America/Panama Canal runs would be nice, and South America as well. RCCL is flippantly stating they cannot offer Mexican Riviera cruises from California, since only low-cost lines offer such cruises, and RCCL's experience is not low cost - Princess, HAL, NCL and Carnival are low-cot-lines now - you never stop learning. After such loud-mothed statements, I am asking myself why they do not offer South America, Panama Canal or sth. else? Aren't they able to fill their ships on such itineraries? :P Look at HAL, NCL and Princess, they have a huge bandwith of Panama Canal/Central America sailings!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted July 30, 2016 #2333 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Agree!! With so well-sized, versatile ships they could offer a lot of appealing itineraries!! But you see, with mostly uninspired winter itineraries, even on the Panmax-ships, which clients RCCL are addressing... At least one ship for the Central America/Panama Canal runs would be nice, and South America as well. RCCL is flippantly stating they cannot offer Mexican Riviera cruises from California, since only low-cost lines offer such cruises, and RCCL's experience is not low cost - Princess, HAL, NCL and Carnival are low-cot-lines now - you never stop learning. After such loud-mothed statements, I am asking myself why they do not offer South America, Panama Canal or sth. else? Aren't they able to fill their ships on such itineraries? :P Look at HAL, NCL and Princess, they have a huge bandwith of Panama Canal/Central America sailings!!! Max, FWIW, I think RCL understands how to deploy their assets for the best profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinpsy13 Posted July 31, 2016 #2334 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Quantum cruise itineraries for china 2017 are up on cruise cal now! No sign of mariner or ovation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poncho1973 Posted August 1, 2016 #2335 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Max, FWIW, I think RCL understands how to deploy their assets for the best profits. Maybe Max should send in a resume/CV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 1, 2016 #2336 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Maybe Max should send in a resume/CV? Lots of potential CEO's around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springaussie Posted August 2, 2016 #2337 Share Posted August 2, 2016 There are predictions that 3 in 4 cruise passengers will be Chinese in 5-10 years and also that China will be the leading market. I'm worried for what this will bring for Royal Caribbean. Maybe they should just create a new Chinese subsidiary to replace Pullmantur. But remember Chinese cruises are only 3 and 4 days. That is what will give the big number of passengers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted August 2, 2016 #2338 Share Posted August 2, 2016 There are predictions that 3 in 4 cruise passengers will be Chinese in 5-10 years and also that China will be the leading market. I'm worried for what this will bring for Royal Caribbean. Maybe they should just create a new Chinese subsidiary to replace Pullmantur. I think it is very unlikely that prediction will transpire. It is more likely that China will have a financial crisis or prolonged stagnation with consequential effect on the Chineses cruise market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted August 3, 2016 #2339 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Richard Fain and the team gave a very optimistic view for their deployment choices at the Q2 conference call yesterday. They stated that they have been surprised that Brexit has had no effect on their business at the moment. They stated that they had expected at least a hesitation in the market, but that this had not been the case. They stated that the move of the Celebrity Equinox had more to do with the brand having a year round presence in the Caribbean. They noted that the Edge class release was related to this move. They stated that while the Eastern MED was having a downturn that other Europe was doing very well. Capacity was being filled by Europeans to a higher degree with a slight drop in US travelers and the only problem was that Europeans spend less onboard than the Americans. (much less need for shore excursions for EU travelers) TUI was the quarters best performing cruise line for RCL and the lease income from TUI and SkySea from China would further boost performance. RCL will have management and maritime contracts even on these leased out ships and will still be able to depreciate the assets (ships). Richard Fain was highly supportive of China. They stated that their was a slight slowdown in Shanghai, while Tianjin was doing very well. He stated that " We will never see growth again as low as we are now seeing in China" and went on to compare the market to the USA with the very long growth path and early dependency on agents. He made it clear that cruising requires reference groups and that cruising will really take off in China when the Chinese return year after year and recommend cruising as an option to friends and family. What was most interesting was that there was no mention about Cuba. The analysts were most interested in financials surrounding the Pullmantur deal with the 51% sale to Springwater Capital. Analysts prior to the call had stated that if the stock dropped below $67 it would most likely fall towards a target of $50. It fell as low as $67.05. RCL stated they will not sell or transfer any assets in 2017. There was no mention of Empress, Vision or Azamara. With the short term itinerary releases for these ships, this would have been an interesting topic. The Cuba speculation is still there, but nothing in this call led to believe that there were short term Cuba expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted August 3, 2016 #2340 Share Posted August 3, 2016 RCL stated they will not sell or transfer any assets in 2017. Legend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted August 3, 2016 #2341 Share Posted August 3, 2016 They stated that the move of the Celebrity Equinox had more to do with the brand having a year round presence in the Caribbean. They noted that the Edge class release was related to this move. As in the first Edge class ship will stay in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelgoddess1 Posted August 3, 2016 #2342 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Richard Fain and the team gave a very optimistic view for their deployment choices at the Q2 conference call yesterday. They stated that they have been surprised that Brexit has had no effect on their business at the moment. They stated that they had expected at least a hesitation in the market, but that this had not been the case. They stated that the move of the Celebrity Equinox had more to do with the brand having a year round presence in the Caribbean. They noted that the Edge class release was related to this move. They stated that while the Eastern MED was having a downturn that other Europe was doing very well. Capacity was being filled by Europeans to a higher degree with a slight drop in US travelers and the only problem was that Europeans spend less onboard than the Americans. (much less need for shore excursions for EU travelers) TUI was the quarters best performing cruise line for RCL and the lease income from TUI and SkySea from China would further boost performance. RCL will have management and maritime contracts even on these leased out ships and will still be able to depreciate the assets (ships). Richard Fain was highly supportive of China. They stated that their was a slight slowdown in Shanghai, while Tianjin was doing very well. He stated that " We will never see growth again as low as we are now seeing in China" and went on to compare the market to the USA with the very long growth path and early dependency on agents. He made it clear that cruising requires reference groups and that cruising will really take off in China when the Chinese return year after year and recommend cruising as an option to friends and family. What was most interesting was that there was no mention about Cuba. The analysts were most interested in financials surrounding the Pullmantur deal with the 51% sale to Springwater Capital. Analysts prior to the call had stated that if the stock dropped below $67 it would most likely fall towards a target of $50. It fell as low as $67.05. RCL stated they will not sell or transfer any assets in 2017. There was no mention of Empress, Vision or Azamara. With the short term itinerary releases for these ships, this would have been an interesting topic. The Cuba speculation is still there, but nothing in this call led to believe that there were short term Cuba expectations. Thanks for that information. :) I'm glad to see RCI is doing well, now I need to book more cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brfan Posted August 3, 2016 #2343 Share Posted August 3, 2016 As in the first Edge class ship will stay in Europe? I'm not sure what the Edge class has to do with the Equinox move. The Equinox change is for 2017 and the first Edge class ship isn't out until sometime 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted August 3, 2016 #2344 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Legend? This was announced previously. They will not move further assets per the conference call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted August 3, 2016 #2345 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I'm not sure what the Edge class has to do with the Equinox move. The Equinox change is for 2017 and the first Edge class ship isn't out until sometime 2018. I think there comment was more geared toward indicating that they would have a ship year round in the Caribbean from this point forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaceOfCake Posted August 4, 2016 #2346 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Eclipse has about 122,000 Gross Tons and Voyager class about 138,000. Voyager class is deeper and wider than Eclipse and most other ships mentioned before so that combination is the main issue with the entrance to Stockholm (and many orther ports in North Europe like e.g. Warnemuende/Rostock, Bergen and Riga just to name a few). Eclipse, Silhouette and Regal Princess go into Stockholm but with many restrictions (e.g. weather issues and daylight transite only). If even bigger ships like Norwegian Getwaway really are allowed to go into Stockholm from 2017 a Voyager class could indeed go as well. However, it might not work all the time and the calls are very short (9 am arrival and 3 pm departure). Navigator was in Stockholm 2007. It was in the Swedish newspapers at the time. http://www.dn.se/sthlm/rekordstort-fartyg-anloper-stockholm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthousemom Posted September 16, 2016 #2347 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Any word on when Oasis 4 will be open for booking? Harmony was open about a year and a half out, and Oasis 4 is due in spring 2018.... Can't blame a girl for being excited!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted September 16, 2016 #2348 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Any word on when Oasis 4 will be open for booking? Harmony was open about a year and a half out, and Oasis 4 is due in spring 2018.... Can't blame a girl for being excited!! :D March/April 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocked91 Posted September 16, 2016 #2349 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I really hope Oasis 4 will have a few sailings from Southampton like Harmony did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Eyed Belfast Belle Posted December 22, 2016 #2350 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Hello all. Following on from the announcment during the week that Oasis 4 (Or Harmony 2 as Captain Gus was calling her on the Harmony TA!) will be doing a short European Summer Season in 2018 before heading across the pond to Florida, has anyone heard of any other itenaries for Summer/Winter 2018. I am hoping that we in Europe get some different ships other than the same old, same old. I know that the dates to book wont be out until March 2017 but it is always nice to speculate and hope for the best! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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