FreestyleNovice Posted October 22, 2015 Author #151 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Everything Genting World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted October 22, 2015 #152 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Everything Genting World Posted. Yes it's a two man show over there right now! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostrow Posted October 22, 2015 #153 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Just like to chime in. I cruised on the Diamond Princess five years ago, when the market was opening up. I wonder sometimes on how these very bright CEO's get the info for some of the deployments. We departed Singapore from a container port. Checked in at a hotel, then bused right to the ship. Trip ended in Tianjin in a brand new cruise terminal. Build and they will come.I would say that 20% of the passengers were Chinese. 40% were Australian and the rest of us scattered from around the world. What I found interesting is that their was almost no interaction between the Chinese passengers and all of us. Language barrier and culture are so different. The staff and crew were very upset since tipping is not in the Asian culture. I doubt that many English speaking cruisers will go on these ships. Immigration policies for Chinese will hinder many ports of call. Hong Kong won't be able to handle these huge ships. Way too much port traffic and congestion. So, with a no tipping culture, you will have to pay your staff and crew more. So, the bet is pretty much 100% on the Chinese passenger. Ships must be designed and activities will have to be designed for that culture. Just like lots of businesses here, China looked to be the cash cow. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted November 25, 2015 Author #154 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was re-reading some old China news.. and noticed something about BA+ #3 (no, no Everything thread about her yet, all those name changes... :D ) "With the 2017 ship dedicated to China, the 2018 Breakaway-plus class newbuild will be dedicated to North American market. Expect this ship to get the Norwegian Bliss name that was previously reserved for the China-dedicated build." http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/13279-norwegian-update-on-escape-china-cuba-and-more-.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted November 25, 2015 Author #155 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Posted. Yes it's a two man show over there right now! ;) Nice heheh! I am currently on the hunt to book her first days out of Germany but no joy yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LrgPizza Posted November 25, 2015 #156 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was re-reading some old China news.. and noticed something about BA+ #3 (no, no Everything thread about her yet, all those name changes... :D ) "With the 2017 ship dedicated to China, the 2018 Breakaway-plus class newbuild will be dedicated to North American market. Expect this ship to get the Norwegian Bliss name that was previously reserved for the China-dedicated build." http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/13279-norwegian-update-on-escape-china-cuba-and-more-.html Nice find, Freestyle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted November 25, 2015 Author #157 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Nice find, Freestyle! Thx! Not sure if it was by word of NCL or the interpretation of who wrote the article. On a 2nd note, no (brand new) BA+ class for us Euros the next three to four year! :( ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted November 25, 2015 #158 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'd be surprised, just because of the tight tie in of the BA+ to their homeports. Otherwise I would expect the Epic to rotate out at some point and one of the BA+ to spend some time there. Thx! Not sure if it was by word of NCL or the interpretation of who wrote the article. On a 2nd note, no (brand new) BA+ class for us Euros the next three to four year! :( ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare insidecabin Posted November 26, 2015 #159 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The European presence is been reduced over winter. Summer needs one ship in the north although there may be room for one more if NCL pulled out some itinerary but Princess and RCI have that nailed for the non p&o people. Med needs at least 2 ships in the summer but can handle 3 An early delivery with med season before USA could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted November 27, 2015 #160 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Genting has published a new website for Dream Cruises. dreamcruises dot com Included is a video and deck plans. While GENTING DREAM is a Breakaway Class ship, the interior arrangement is quite different. This being said there are many similarities as well. The video is very generic and really shows nothing specific to the new ship. In fact a Royal Caribbean ship and a Seabourn ship are shown sailing in the video which is humorous. I don't like the style of deck plans but they are better than nothing. Standard cabins look pretty much the same as NCL's Breakaway Class. There are a lot of renderings which I've included at this link along with the deck plans: https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroller/albums/72157659369418844 It will be interesting to see how NCL's dedicated ship for China compares, and of course that will be a Breakaway Plus Class, so a little larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted December 5, 2015 Author #161 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) I found a nice infograph of the few left building slots at Meyer Werft Germany: Fall '18 and spring '19 are open. Edited December 5, 2015 by FreestyleNovice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted December 5, 2015 #162 Share Posted December 5, 2015 On my list I have a smaller ship for Saga Cruises in summer 2019, anothern Quantum Class ship for fall 2019 and one ship for AIDA. Not sure how that works out. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted December 5, 2015 Author #163 Share Posted December 5, 2015 On my list I have a smaller ship for Saga Cruises in summer 2019, anothern Quantum Class ship for fall 2019 and one ship for AIDA. Not sure how that works out. steamboats The Saga one is <1000 pax, perhaps they won't use the large building hall (#2) for her? Spotter this yesterday: local government is planning on rerouting the small highway next to the yard and the drawing shows an optional extension of building hall #2. http://www.papenburg.de/?hid=334&bid=3995 The way how fast Meyer is building those ships is really awesome and seems to be that they're coming out faster and closer to each other each time. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted December 5, 2015 #164 Share Posted December 5, 2015 yes they will build the saga cruise ship in the smaller hall like the old aida ships. if the ship is ready maybe they have to take two ships at the same time to the north sea. the infograph is not up to date. with the two carnical/aida ships and more quantums ships they are full the next years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnacle_boy Posted December 5, 2015 #165 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) The way how fast Meyer is building those ships is really awesome and seems to be that they're coming out faster and closer to each other each time. :D Unfortunately, one of the main factors behind the increased speed is that Meyer is continually subcontracting out more and more of the work. Entire prefabricated blocks arrive at Papenburg from Eastern European nations of dubious quality. Meyer isn't what it used to be. Still good, arguably still better than the rest, but things have gone down hill a little. Edited December 5, 2015 by barnacle_boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreestyleNovice Posted December 5, 2015 Author #166 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Understandable. But are ships still being built for 40-50 years of service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnacle_boy Posted December 5, 2015 #167 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Understandable. But are ships still being built for 40-50 years of service? Sure, in theory. In practice? Only time will tell. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the older Meyer builds outlive what they're building now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papcx Posted December 6, 2015 #168 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Entire prefabricated blocks arrive at Papenburg from Eastern European nations of dubious quality. Meyer isn't what it used to be. Still good, arguably still better than the rest, but things have gone down hill a little. Interesting point. Do you have any links to this information? Edited December 6, 2015 by papcx Autocorrect hates me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnacle_boy Posted December 6, 2015 #169 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Interesting point. Do you have any links to this information? If you look around you might find some links from the subcontracting yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted December 6, 2015 #170 Share Posted December 6, 2015 FreestyleNovice, Yes, I read about the enlargement of the building hall too. Plus - with the accident destroying the Friesenbrücke (bridge at Weener) they might be able to build wider ships in the future. They have to build a totally new bridge (which will take a couple of years). And I´m pretty sure that Meyer will do its best to get a wider bridgespan for the ship traffic :-). papcx, barnacle_boy is totally correct. The pre fabricated block are coming from Eastern Europe and travel through the Kiel Canal and up the Ems river to Papenburg. Also on the shipyard there are many subcontractors from Eastern Europe. Anyway that doesn´t mean the quality went down. Meyer still has everything under control and is responsible for keeping up the quality. And compared to other shipyards (in Europe)... let´s say do not mess around with the French... remember the construction of the Epic ;-)! steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted December 6, 2015 #171 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) http://www.focus.de/regional/niedersachsen/schiffbau-schiffssektion-aus-polen-schwimmt-zur-meyer-werft_id_4502895.html http://www.stoczniawisla.pl/ang_realizacje.html for example the bow of the the escape was build in a shipyard in danzig / Poland, but why should it have dubious qualtiy? i think meyer werft give them their own standards. Edited December 6, 2015 by Steff79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnacle_boy Posted December 6, 2015 #172 Share Posted December 6, 2015 http://www.focus.de/regional/niedersachsen/schiffbau-schiffssektion-aus-polen-schwimmt-zur-meyer-werft_id_4502895.htmlhttp://www.stoczniawisla.pl/ang_realizacje.html for example the bow of the the escape was build in a shipyard in danzig / Poland, but why should it have dubious qualtiy? i think meyer werft give them their own standards. barnacle_boy is totally correct. The pre fabricated block are coming from Eastern Europe and travel through the Kiel Canal and up the Ems river to Papenburg. Also on the shipyard there are many subcontractors from Eastern Europe. Anyway that doesn´t mean the quality went down. Meyer still has everything under control and is responsible for keeping up the quality. And compared to other shipyards (in Europe)... let´s say do not mess around with the French... remember the construction of the Epic ;-)! I don't think the quality is bad simply because the blocks come from Eastern Europe. I think it's bad because people I know at Meyer, NCL, and RCI say that they are. Lots of problems related to quality control at the yard and others once the ships are in service. But you're right, I'd rather sail on a subcontracted Meyer build than something the vindictive French put together. There are rumors that NCL will go with Fincantieri (*spine shivers*) for future contracts given FDR's proclivity for all things Italian. His last two Oceania and next RSSC ships are Fincantieri builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2cruisecats Posted December 6, 2015 #173 Share Posted December 6, 2015 We did the 10 day transatlantic and as a mechanical engineer for 45 years (prior to recently retiring) and the Escape appears to be top quality. I look at things on board that most folks do not: Quality of welds, designs that prevent mold and germs from developing, designs that allow good fit up, drainage systems for sea and rain water, etc. (Yes I'm a bit weird but this was my background.) In all public areas the Escape appears to be top notch so I would seriously doubt that the shipyard would not exert rigorous controls on subcontracted subassemblies regardless of the size. Steel weldments (even if huge in size) have been subject to rigid fabrication requirements for 50 to 75 years or longer and can be easily inspected before they are released for shipment to the assembly hall. The Germans are known for over-engineering just about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted December 8, 2015 #174 Share Posted December 8, 2015 FreestyleNovice, check the Meyer website here. The first AIDA ship is now announced for fall 2018 which closes that open slot. So we have Breakaway Plus 3 and AIDA 1 in 2018. 2019 has Breakaway Plus 4 and Quantum Class 4 plus the small Saga ship. 2020 has Quantum Class 5 and AIDA 2. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmele999 Posted December 8, 2015 #175 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A have a quick question regarding this new ship formerly known as Bliss. Besides a larger casino, and a different menu what other changes from a traditional cruise ship do we expect to see? Will the bathroom facilities be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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