Canadian mom on cruise jailed in Bahamas, mom of 15 years old called police after ...

[Two Wheels Only]

I Googled as many articles as I could find on this incident and I could not find in any of them where she admitted she had sex with him. The only statement you will find is she said he told her he was 18.

 

The defendant (Karine Gagne, 23) hasn't made any official statements. The quotes are from Gagne's mother (Chantale Auclair)....

 

 

“At one point, it went further,” Auclair said. “They went to the bathroom and they did what they wanted to do.” - Sidhartha Banerjee, THE CANADIAN PRESS

 

"Chantale Auclair says the two had consensual sex." - Toronto Sun article

 

"Gagne told her mother she met a man in a bar while the ship was docked in Great Stirrup Cay, CTV Montreal reports. Shortly after meeting, the pair had sex in the bathroom of the bar." - CTV article

[$hip$hape]

“They went to the bathroom and they did what they wanted to do.”

“Those who control their passions do so because their passions are weak enough to be controlled"

Edited January 22, 2017 by $hip$hape

[fredflint]

This web site here has an interesting view on the case.

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2017/01/articles/caribbean-islands/arrested-in-the-bahamas-cruise-passenger-in-jail-for-statutory-rape-of-15-yearold-boy/

 

They basically say that other rape cases have gone unprosecuted and were dropped and that is may be just all political and she is just a pawn.

[Lido_Deck]

The defendant (Karine Gagne, 23) hasn't made any official statements. The quotes are from Gagne's mother (Chantale Auclair)....

 

 

“At one point, it went further,” Auclair said. “They went to the bathroom and they did what they wanted to do.” - Sidhartha Banerjee, THE CANADIAN PRESS

 

"Chantale Auclair says the two had consensual sex." - Toronto Sun article

 

"Gagne told her mother she met a man in a bar while the ship was docked in Great Stirrup Cay, CTV Montreal reports. Shortly after meeting, the pair had sex in the bathroom of the bar." - CTV article

 

See, I told you.

[$hip$hape]

This web site here has an interesting view on the case.

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2017/01/articles/caribbean-islands/arrested-in-the-bahamas-cruise-passenger-in-jail-for-statutory-rape-of-15-yearold-boy/

 

They basically say that other rape cases have gone unprotected and were dropped and that is may be just all political and she is just a pawn.

What would our now/new POTUS say about this?

[Two Wheels Only]

They basically say that other rape cases have gone unprosecuted and were dropped and that is may be just all political and she is just a pawn.

 

No doubt. I posted before about the terrible history that the Bahamas has with sexual assault cases. This case could be just a "See? We take these things seriously..." show.

[mking8288]

OP here, amazed at what I came across and started here yesterday vis-a-vis other (fake) news on "alternative facts" ... just can't believe this is being read by so many & still going. Never mind post on chicken & waffles or even lobster tails :eek:

 

More pieces of this puzzle surfacing ...

 

Interesting commentary in CL News - "The Bahamas' interest in pursuing the case may also be, in part, political pay-back for Canada's prior warnings against travel to the Bahamas' due to its high violent crime rate. "

 

Our own U.S. State Department's Consular page on Travel Warnings & Alerts ins't that much different than those from Canada - https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/the-bahamas.html

[fshagan]

No doubt. I posted before about the terrible history that the Bahamas has with sexual assault cases. This case could be just a "See? We take these things seriously..." show.

 

She's also an easy target, as she is not a citizen of their country. Canada should intervene.

 

Laws like this are asinine, if there really is a determinate sentence of a minimum of 7 years. Throwing people in jail for consensual sex due to an arbitrary age limit, without SOMEONE making an independent judgement based on the facts of the case, is tyranny. It's why prosecutors here in California hide the fact that a trial is a "third strike" and carries a huge penalty, even if the crime is a shoplifting charge. Juries will nullify a charge if they know the punishment is far outside humane and reasonable standards.

[GUT2407]

This web site here has an interesting view on the case.

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2017/01/articles/caribbean-islands/arrested-in-the-bahamas-cruise-passenger-in-jail-for-statutory-rape-of-15-yearold-boy/

 

They basically say that other rape cases have gone unprosecuted and were dropped and that is may be just all political and she is just a pawn.

 

A real reliable source "cruiselawnews" I think not.

[punkincc]

No doubt. I posted before about the terrible history that the Bahamas has with sexual assault cases. This case could be just a "See? We take these things seriously..." show.

 

It could be that the Bahamian's took the woman into custody based on the fact that the Mother alleged a crime had been committed, and the fact that if they didn't act swiftly, both parties would quickly sail away, and once that happened, the authorities in the Bahamas would stand very little chance of investigating or prosecuting this case.

 

And we all know that people get arrested and then quickly released after the police have had a chance to sort things out. In many cases, the procecutors drop charges because they feel there is not enough evidence to successfully prosecute or they feel the arrest was not warranted to begin with. Or if they feel they will have uncooperative witnesses, especially the "victim" himself.

 

Want to bet that once Mom realizes she will have a very long and expensive stay in the Bahamas, lost wages, and many expensive flights back and forth for herself and her son if this case is prosecuted, she will begin to regret that she didn't just ground the kid for life and keep her mouth shut? I'm sure she regrets it already.

 

Willing to bet the case against this woman is going to go away very soon.

[sjbdtz]

Foolish comments

The police would not have arrested her without evidence of a crime. Imagine if the roles were reversed and it was a 15 year old girl and an adult male. Try your lame excuses then. You are pretending the police did not do what they are trained to do and investigate and take action when evidence of a crime happened. NO WHERE in the article did either subject DENY they engaged in sex.

Simple.

 

Nowhere in the article did either of them deny that they were beamed to the ship by UFO, either.

 

You asked "what else could they have been doing in the bathroom together". I simply showed that not everybody has a one-track mind.

 

If it was a 15 y.o. girl, they could do a rape kit. Not as easy, the other way round.

 

I have no idea what good interviewing the mother would have done, as you say - she has no evidence.

 

As for the police not arresting people without evidence, for every wrongful conviction http://www.innocenceproject.org/ there had to be an evidence-less arrest preceding it.

 

 

 

Stephen

 

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[pcur]

I disagree...Punish all or punish none. Everyone was at fault here including the teen and his mother.

 

I believe I said there is accountability on BOTH sides. Reading an entire post helps with posted replies.

Edited January 23, 2017 by pcur

[Lido_Deck]

It could be that the Bahamian's took the woman into custody based on the fact that the Mother alleged a crime had been committed, and the fact that if they didn't act swiftly, both parties would quickly sail away, and once that happened, the authorities in the Bahamas would stand very little chance of investigating or prosecuting this case.

 

And we all know that people get arrested and then quickly released after the police have had a chance to sort things out. In many cases, the procecutors drop charges because they feel there is not enough evidence to successfully prosecute or they feel the arrest was not warranted to begin with. Or if they feel they will have uncooperative witnesses, especially the "victim" himself.

 

Want to bet that once Mom realizes she will have a very long and expensive stay in the Bahamas, lost wages, and many expensive flights back and forth for herself and her son if this case is prosecuted, she will begin to regret that she didn't just ground the kid for life and keep her mouth shut? I'm sure she regrets it already.

 

Willing to bet the case against this woman is going to go away very soon.

 

In the meantime, she spends at least a month in jail in a foreign country away from her kids.

[Lido_Deck]

I believe I said there is accountability on BOTH sides. Reading an entire post helps with posted replies.

 

I did read your entire post and at the end I read this...

 

She deserved to be arrested, and I only hope they make her pay a fine (maybe from her sales bonus!!), and let her go home.

 

The boy? His Mom needs a shorter leash.

 

A shorter leash is what you call punishment?

 

Sorry, but the teen's mother deserves to be arrested if the 23 years deserved to be arrested.

[OneWord]

Drank/Drunk

Don't be to sure of that.

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And... Go Steelers :)

 

Patriots.

Edited January 23, 2017 by OneWord

[Lookingforfacts]

I did read your entire post and at the end I read this...

 

She deserved to be arrested, and I only hope they make her pay a fine (maybe from her sales bonus!!), and let her go home.

 

The boy? His Mom needs a shorter leash.

 

A shorter leash is what you call punishment?

 

Sorry, but the teen's mother deserves to be arrested if the 23 years deserved to be arrested.

Having sex with someone under 16 is a crime in the Bahamas, and many states in the US. Lying about your age to a potential sex partner isn't a crime. A mother who reports an adult who engaged in statutory rape against her son isn't committing a crime.

 

Do I think the 15 year old is a victim. No but my opinion, and your opinion, is irrelevant. The law is clear.

 

The mother and son didn't violate laws and don't deserve arrest.

Google Luis Polonio, former baseball player. It's the responsibility of the adult to make sure of the age of his sex partner.

[Lido_Deck]

Having sex with someone under 16 is a crime in the Bahamas, and many states in the US. Lying about your age to a potential sex partner isn't a crime. A mother who reports an adult who engaged in statutory rape against her son isn't committing a crime.

 

Do I think the 15 year old is a victim. No but my opinion, and your opinion, is irrelevant. The law is clear.

 

The mother and son didn't violate laws and don't deserve arrest.

Google Luis Polonio, former baseball player. It's the responsibility of the adult to make sure of the age of his sex partner.

 

She should be arrested for allowing her son to drink in a bar she was in.

[Two Wheels Only]

This whole case seems like a future Lifetime movie...

 

 

"In a world....

 

where a woman can be punished for doing what men have done for centuries....(Jennifer Love Hewitt asks "What are you doing?" as she is led away in handcuffs)....

 

one mother fights against a foreign government....(Forest Whitaker as the Bahamian prosecutor).....

 

and a greedy corporation...(Paul Giamatti as Frank Del Rio)...

 

to free her daughter who was deceived by someone she trusted....(Zac Efron as the boy-man)....

 

and protects her grand children...(some kid from a care.com commercial asks "When's mommy coming back?")...

 

as she fights for justice...

 

Patricia Heaton stars in the Lifetime original movie, Paradise Lost..."

[Lido_Deck]

Having sex with someone under 16 is a crime in the Bahamas, and many states in the US. Lying about your age to a potential sex partner isn't a crime. A mother who reports an adult who engaged in statutory rape against her son isn't committing a crime.

 

Do I think the 15 year old is a victim. No but my opinion, and your opinion, is irrelevant. The law is clear.

 

The mother and son didn't violate laws and don't deserve arrest.

Google Luis Polonio, former baseball player. It's the responsibility of the adult to make sure of the age of his sex partner.

 

Again, it appears the mother of the teen was in the bar/casino the entire time allowing the teen to drink alcohol, therefore, she should be jailed as well.

 

Please don't come back with, "The article doesn't say the 15 year old child was drinking." We've discussed this and other news sources have alleged he was drinking. If so, she should be jailed as well.

[Lido_Deck]

This is kind of interesting...

 

Gagne has been charged under Section 11(1)(a) of the Sexual Offences Act, Chapter 99 which reads: “Any person who has unlawful sexual intercourse with any person being of or above 14 years of age and under 16 years of age, whether with or without the consent of the person with whom he had unlawful sexual intercourse is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for life.”

 

I really doubt the mother and the teen will return to the Bahamas to testify, but Gagne will be in jail for at least a month awaiting for the authorities to sort this all out.

[DirtyDawg]

Again, it appears the mother of the teen was in the bar/casino the entire time allowing the teen to drink alcohol, therefore, she should be jailed as well.

 

Please don't come back with, "The article doesn't say the 15 year old child was drinking." We've discussed this and other news sources have alleged he was drinking. If so, she should be jailed as well.

 

And the big if is evidence, or lack thereof. Allegations do not equal fact. Even if the allegations have some merit, whose jurisdiction is it? Yours? It looks like it might be the Bahamas' jurisdiction has they have arrested the young lady in this case. If so why not let the Bahamian's decide if there is enough evidence to even charge the mother, let alone convict her.

 

I'll let the appropriate judicial system do their thing with this one. I'm too busy being Crown Prosecutor, Judge, Jury and Executioner up here in Canada.

Edited January 23, 2017 by DirtyDawg

[crazymomof5boys]

I understand the age of consent. But, mom of teen started this ball rolling by bringing and allowing her underage son to hang in the bar casino area where she apparently wasn't able to adequately supervise him. She holds some culpability here. I'm sure she knew that others including cruise staff would assume he was over 18 and old enough to be there or she would not of brought him with her. He was also smart enough to lie about his age because admitting he was younger would 1 get him thrown out of the area and 2 cause the woman to stop speaking to him thus no bathroom fun. So, logically speaking mom was ok with others assuming he was over 18. If the boy was drinking mom put him in the place and position for that to happen also. She should have been more concerned about supervising her son. Had she been supervising her child and spending time with him in an area he shouldn't of been this would not of happened. Also reasonably speaking who asks for id to prove one is of age before entering a bathroom to "do what they want to do"?

[Two Wheels Only]

The "he" is just the way that the law was written. They could/should amend it to "he/she".

 

There is also "unless the court having regard to the exceptional mitigating

circumstances of the case sees fit to impose a lesser term of imprisonment than the minimum term." which is probably what will happen.

 

For her specific charge, she faces a minimum of 7 years. After a month, the judge might even release her.

Edited January 23, 2017 by Two Wheels Only

[BostonGal35]

from what ive heard, kids walk around and finish drinks they see laying around. that is how they are getting booze. no idea if its true, but it sounds plausible. if you are on UBP, you dont worry about drinking every l last drop, especially if its a drink you order and dont like.

[Driberif1]

I understand the age of consent. But, mom of teen started this ball rolling by bringing and allowing her underage son to hang in the bar casino area where she apparently wasn't able to adequately supervise him. She holds some culpability here. I'm sure she knew that others including cruise staff would assume he was over 18 and old enough to be there or she would not of brought him with her. He was also smart enough to lie about his age because admitting he was younger would 1 get him thrown out of the area and 2 cause the woman to stop speaking to him thus no bathroom fun. So, logically speaking mom was ok with others assuming he was over 18. If the boy was drinking mom put him in the place and position for that to happen also. She should have been more concerned about supervising her son. Had she been supervising her child and spending time with him in an area he shouldn't of been this would not of happened. Also reasonably speaking who asks for id to prove one is of age before entering a bathroom to "do what they want to do"?

 

The area is a common area and is not just a "bar"! You can be 5 years old and be in that area! There is a pool table and dart boards and video games and bowling all within feet of the bar! As long as he was not physically sitting at the bar everyone is okay to be in the common area.