cruzincurt Posted August 18, 2017 #1 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I've been watching the Enchantment of the Seas coming and going on the Key West webcam. Since most people on a cruise take pictures of the ship, you'd think the crew would take a few minutes to slap some white paint on the rust streaks coming from the anchor opening. Just say'n, looks bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #2 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Read an article on an artist that painted ships. He always made sure to add rust stains. 😉 Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted August 19, 2017 #3 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I've been watching the Enchantment of the Seas coming and going on the Key West webcam. Since most people on a cruise take pictures of the ship, you'd think the crew would take a few minutes to slap some white paint on the rust streaks coming from the anchor opening. Just say'n, looks bad. It's called Salt Water... No but I sail B2B2B2B every Fall on Serenade. I can verify watched them painting every week, almost impossible keep up on since shes at sea every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceansOfTravels Posted August 19, 2017 #4 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I've been watching the Enchantment of the Seas coming and going on the Key West webcam. Since most people on a cruise take pictures of the ship, you'd think the crew would take a few minutes to slap some white paint on the rust streaks coming from the anchor opening. Just say'n, looks bad. "It's what's on the inside that counts" :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharaoh Posted August 19, 2017 #5 Share Posted August 19, 2017 What's with these threads this week? Allure of the Seas, Crippled Enchantment of the Seas, Rusted Empress of the Seas, Tiny Anthem of the Seas, Haunted Rhapsody of the Seas, Dull Majesty of the Seas, Old Who cares if the ship is a little rusty? You'd almost think it's been on the ocean for two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted August 19, 2017 #6 Share Posted August 19, 2017 It's called Salt Water... No but I sail B2B2B2B every Fall on Serenade. I can verify watched them painting every week, almost impossible keep up on since shes at sea every day. Plus, Enchantment is at Coco Cay twice a week, where they have to drop and weigh (4 transits a week) the anchor and scrape off all that new paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #7 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Plus, Enchantment is at Coco Cay twice a week, where they have to drop and weigh (4 transits a week) the anchor and scrape off all that new paint. Doesn't Enchantment have dynamic positioning or something like that the doesn't require an anchor? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinfanatic Posted August 19, 2017 #8 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I haven't seen an anchor dropped in 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #9 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I haven't seen an anchor dropped in 20 years I've heard it, though Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perditax Posted August 19, 2017 #10 Share Posted August 19, 2017 *cannot find Haunted Anthem thread, is sad* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted August 19, 2017 #11 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Doesn't Enchantment have dynamic positioning or something like that the doesn't require an anchor? Not sure John. I know Freedom used to do that, but I did not think that Enchantment had that capability being a non-azipod ship. Perhaps the Chief can enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #12 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Not sure John. I know Freedom used to do that, but I did not think that Enchantment had that capability being a non-azipod ship. Perhaps the Chief can enlighten us. Freedom used it in Grand Cayman on our last trip. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted August 19, 2017 #13 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I haven't seen an anchor dropped in 20 years You haven't been on Majesty then. Don't book a forward cabin if you like to sleep in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted August 19, 2017 #14 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Not sure John. I know Freedom used to do that, but I did not think that Enchantment had that capability being a non-azipod ship. Perhaps the Chief can enlighten us. Haven't figured out posting pictures but if you search EN images there are lots with her anchor lines down. https://www.google.ca/search?q=enchantment+of+the+seas&client=safari&hl=en-ca&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz27fJqOPVAhUG6oMKHXPmCfsQ_AUIECgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=r_MYw4gyt06JTM: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpeCerevisi Posted August 19, 2017 #15 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I'm almost certain Enchantment does not have dynamic positioning since she's a prop and rudder ship. I also checked a photo I have of her off Coco Cay and she was definitely anchored. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #16 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I'm almost certain Enchantment does not have dynamic positioning since she's a prop and rudder ship. I also checked a photo I have of her off Coco Cay and she was definitely anchored. Sent from my iPad using Forums Google is your friend. [emoji6] Grandeur and Enchantment were the first two passenger ships to have dynamic positioning. Lots of non azipod ships have it. They use thrusters. It probably costs more to use, hence the continued use of anchors. But I think I have seen it used at Coco Cay Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 19, 2017 #17 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Google is your friend. [emoji6] Grandeur and Enchantment were the first two passenger ships to have dynamic positioning. Lots of non azipod ships have it. They use thrusters. It probably costs more to use, hence the continued use of anchors. But I think I have seen it used at Coco Cay Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Yep, I worked on a dynamically positioned drillship back in the 70's, that had 2 propellers and 12 thrusters. It definitely costs more to us DP than anchoring. When anchored, they shut off generators to the same as when they are tied to a pier (typically one engine). Most power management systems for cruise ship engine rooms require a minimum of 2-3 engines on line running when propulsion is started, whether it is actually needed or not, so the engines run at low power most of the time and are inefficient at these loads. Frequently, cruise ships are built with stainless steel plating under the anchor hawse pipe to eliminate this "unsightly" rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpeCerevisi Posted August 19, 2017 #18 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Didn't know that, thanks for the update John&LaLa, and of course, the chief engineer. I would assume, then, that they have both bow and stern thrusters or do they use forward and reverse rotation on the props, or perhaps both? Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted August 19, 2017 #19 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Didn't know that, thanks for the update John&LaLa, and of course, the chief engineer. I would assume, then, that they have both bow and stern thrusters or do they use forward and reverse rotation on the props, or perhaps both? Sent from my iPad using Forums Yes, one of the advantages of azipods is that you only have two azipods, and not two propellers, two rudders, 4 steering motors, and 2-3 stern thrusters. So, cruise ships with props and rudders will have both bow and stern thrusters. When DP'ing, they will use all the thrusters and the two propellers, typically "split" or one going ahead and one going astern, and the program will speed up one or the other to maintain longitudinal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted August 19, 2017 #20 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Google is your friend. [emoji6] Grandeur and Enchantment were the first two passenger ships to have dynamic positioning. Lots of non azipod ships have it. They use thrusters. It probably costs more to use, hence the continued use of anchors. But I think I have seen it used at Coco Cay Yep, I worked on a dynamically positioned drillship back in the 70's, that had 2 propellers and 12 thrusters. It definitely costs more to us DP than anchoring. When anchored, they shut off generators to the same as when they are tied to a pier (typically one engine). Most power management systems for cruise ship engine rooms require a minimum of 2-3 engines on line running when propulsion is started, whether it is actually needed or not, so the engines run at low power most of the time and are inefficient at these loads. Frequently, cruise ships are built with stainless steel plating under the anchor hawse pipe to eliminate this "unsightly" rust. Thank-you both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted August 19, 2017 #21 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I've heard it, though Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app And I have seen it. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted August 19, 2017 #22 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yup, that old Enchantment is indeed a rust bucket. So bad, she should be kicked out of Miami and come back home to PC where she belongs. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted August 19, 2017 #23 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yup, that old Enchantment is indeed a rust bucket. So bad, she should be kicked out of Miami and comeback home to PC where she belongs. :D Agree!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted August 19, 2017 #24 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yup, that old Enchantment is indeed a rust bucket. So bad, she should be kicked out of Miami and comeback home to PC where she belongs. :D Isn't she going to Galveston Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted August 19, 2017 #25 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Isn't she going to Galveston Unfortunately, yes. Hoping PC will get a Voyager class ship for the 3/4 day runs, or at least a Vision class ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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