OCruisers Posted February 17, 2018 #276 Share Posted February 17, 2018 What a very sad thing this happened. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted February 18, 2018 #277 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I just read about this on another thread -- sail away thread on HAL today. Then there was a snippet on the national news this evening. Have no idea what caused the fight -- but really a sad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeandbelle Posted February 18, 2018 #278 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Snoody much?! Those lowered prices have afforded my family to expand our vacation options and also allow for more that just one trip a year. Now that more schools are going to a balanced calendar with a 2 week Spring Break and a week long Fall Break, we have 3 decent chances for getaways. So maybe instead of referring to us frugal conscious consumers as “Ferals” you should remember that my family’s money spends just as well as yours. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeandbelle Posted February 18, 2018 #279 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I agree I love Carnival and have had no problems, it only takes a few bad people to make the whole cruise line look bad. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elainmir Posted February 18, 2018 #280 Share Posted February 18, 2018 that deletion of evidence is one of the most disturbing things...clearly they knew they didn't handle it the way it should've been and wanted to cover up their inadequate "security" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango55 Posted February 18, 2018 #281 Share Posted February 18, 2018 the Washington post has a report that this family group was hell bent on causing trouble from the minute they on the ship.check it out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted February 18, 2018 #282 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Posters who say that it is because of low prices that an event like this only happens on Carnival are wrong. Prices are low across the board on all the mass market lines. There is a glut of ships right now and the cruise lines keep building more. Departures from Florida where competition is intense, fares are even more equal. Honestly, Carnival is not my line of choice basically because I like the more conservative interior designs that other cruise lines offer. This discussion should be more focused on Carnival's security response and not on other factors that are no different than their competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango55 Posted February 18, 2018 #283 Share Posted February 18, 2018 check out msn.com.the fights started the first day.day and night there was lots yelling between groups.there was fights in the disco .people too stay in their rooms.captain told people to not walk alone in the hallways.these people gave everbody hell.a planned gang violent by the reports of cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torcruise Posted February 18, 2018 #284 Share Posted February 18, 2018 check out msn.com.the fights started the first day.day and night there was lots yelling between groups.there was fights in the disco .people too stay in their rooms.captain told people to not walk alone in the hallways.these people gave everbody hell.a planned gang violent by the reports of cruisers. The problem with that is how would the average person know what 'planned gang" activities looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottweiler Puppy Posted February 18, 2018 #285 Share Posted February 18, 2018 it was a 10 day cruise LOL Well dang. Remind me to not book a 10 day Bogan adventure cruise when Down Under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmBear Posted February 18, 2018 #286 Share Posted February 18, 2018 130 am,,,,,obviously they were all boozed up! Then likely it just carried over each day, stupid kids, can't handle their booze!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty dingo Posted February 18, 2018 #287 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Carnival should have zero tolerance for violence or threats. First time it happens, offender is confined to the cabin and escorted off the ship at the next port. No excuses, no second chances. Violence is never acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted February 18, 2018 #288 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Posters who say that it is because of low prices that an event like this only happens on Carnival are wrong. . The assumption low cruise price would attract undesirable people to cruise Carnival is a total myth. Gangbanggers pull in more money selling drugs in one day than an honest, tax paying Joe would make in a whole year working 9-5. And these unsavory characters have expensive taste, like to go high end and are flush with illegitimate cash. But if the ignorant insists Carnival is low class and low end, so be it. They are the ones missing out on all the good cruise deals, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdrescherRBL152 Posted February 18, 2018 #289 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Regardless, the security members committed criminal acts. No criminal act by the security team. The person being kicked is engaged on a potentially lethal attack. As such the use of force of any kind to stop it is legal. that deletion of evidence is one of the most disturbing things...clearly they knew they didn't handle it the way it should've been and wanted to cover up their inadequate "security" OTOH the CCL security team committed many filmed acts of felony assault on cruise passengers. It is called assault by means of a dangerous weapon, i.e. by means of a shod foot. So are you ok with that? Sent from my LG-H918 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markanddonna Posted February 18, 2018 #290 Share Posted February 18, 2018 check out msn.com.the fights started the first day.day and night there was lots yelling between groups.there was fights in the disco .people too stay in their rooms.captain told people to not walk alone in the hallways.these people gave everbody hell.a planned gang violent by the reports of cruisers. What kind of captain says that to other passengers and then does nothing about it. This group should have been removed after the first violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted February 18, 2018 #291 Share Posted February 18, 2018 The very disturbing thing I see with the video is the fact that Carnival is not equipped to handle this type of situation. I post this with 30 years of law enforcement experience. I can tell you it it is obvious their security staff has zero training in any type of defensive tactics or any low impact weapon training. You mean to tell me they don't know a basic pressure point to use, a simple strike. How about a baton, CS gas (pepper spray) or even a taser, no sign of handcuffs? This is incredible, their reaction was to start kicking subjects that are fighting. In my opinion their "security" was out of control more than the people fighting. They need serious training and NOW. This is unacceptable, I cant believe they dont have any well trained personnel. When I cruised I didnt realize the passengers would be responsible for defending themselves in this kind of incident. You are talking about policing, law enforcement. From the stories and videos this was more of a riot situation. I doubt whether ANY training for security crew could cope with more than one or perhaps two thuggish individuals who don't give a damn about injuring others. I've never been on Carnival and will not be doing so in future, but I have seen the odd "disturbed" individual on upmarket cruise lines making life very unpleasant for the guests and crew, and have been upset about the lack of enforcement by the officers. It's obviously a judgement call, but when multiple guests approach the officers about an individual and he/she is allowed to continue the behaviour something is wrong and the industry needs to up its game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.H Posted February 18, 2018 #292 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I don’t care what the circumstances were; there was no excuse for that security guard to have been kicking the passenger that was on the ground. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdrescherRBL152 Posted February 18, 2018 #293 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Maybe fights break out everywhere in your neighborhood, but not mine. Mr. Roberts Sent from my iPad using Forums Oh so you live in the only perfect neighborhood on the world. Cause I bet of you start checking you will that there has been more then a few fights in your neighborhood. I was waiting for someone to take this into the cutback area...ridiculous. I think you are right you need to move on to a cruise line where the fighting control is much more organized....happy cruising. Sent from my iPad using Forums Sent from my LG-H918 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted February 18, 2018 #294 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) I can only hope that the Australian authorities do not have to absorb the cost of this police action. A total meltdown of Carnival's security resulted in the need for local Australian law enforcement to intervene in a situation that Carnival's onboard security should of been properly equipped and trained to handle onboard. Edited February 18, 2018 by coaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 18, 2018 #295 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I don’t care what the circumstances were; there was no excuse for that security guard to have been kicking the passenger that was on the ground. Sent from my iPhone using Forums I don't know what happened so I wont make blanket statements, that said I can give you a circumstance that would make it ok for me.... Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.H Posted February 18, 2018 #296 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Ok for you to kick a passenger repeatedly in the legs while they are already restrained on the ground while you are acting in the capacity of ship security? Enlighten me. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemanbobswife Posted February 18, 2018 #297 Share Posted February 18, 2018 They should have kicked them in the right spot. That would have put an end it it quickly or at least bought them a few minutes to cuff them. That's if they even had handcuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haboob Posted February 18, 2018 #298 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Carnival should have zero tolerance for violence or threats. First time it happens, offender is confined to the cabin and escorted off the ship at the next port. No excuses, no second chances. Violence is never acceptable. Trouble is... You're talking about 23 "me and mine against the world" offenders to be guarded 24 hours a day for 4 days at sea until they can be escorted off. That takes a bunch of manpower that apparently was not available. That being said, "Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25thcruise Posted February 18, 2018 #299 Share Posted February 18, 2018 So, what if you or a family member was in that potentially lethal hold? How would you want them to help you? Just asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haboob Posted February 18, 2018 #300 Share Posted February 18, 2018 No criminal act by the security team. The person being kicked is engaged on a potentially lethal attack. As such the use of force of any kind to stop it is legal. Wrong on two counts: • "Putting the boot in" won't stop the melee. It's just "How dare you cause problems on my ship!" • The male purser was circling the melee, kicking both the guy holding the headlock and the guy in the headlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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