Very disturbing lawsuit

[John&LaLa]

Well I disagree about the ship not being responsible about the curfew. The victim had to walk down a corridor or take an elevator or something to get to the library. Those areas should have been monitored as well. I've never seen a library next to a cabin either. So he had to either get there somehow...or...and this hasn't been mentioned yet....lured there somehow

 

 

Why isn't anyone questioning why he would be there in the 1st place?

 

 

My take....

 

He was forced in there by the father and friend which makes it ever scarier that 2 men to get a 13 yo into the library without being noticed ....did they teleport themselves? Nope they walked across decks ...up or down stairs...plus they had to find the kid first. Very unsettling.

 

Just think it through...why would he go to the library on his own? Ever.

 

He was lured imho either by the father or perhaps the daughter....remember we don't know what he said to her....but my mind runs the gamut of the possibilities.

 

Imho everyone involved is a punk and fortunately the father and friend have been jailed...but the kid...probably a real winner anyway....is still a victim.

 

 

 

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Library is between elevator banks, very open.

 

Lots of comfy chairs to sit in.

 

It may be cabins now after the refit

 

And I believe we do know what he said to her

 

You might want to read back a bit

 

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[maggie cruises]

Question: How many of you will never cruise on RCL again because this happened? I hear a lot of outrage. But how outraged are you really?

 

 

 

Not really an issue for me and mine as we are in bed before midnight as we prefer to wake up early to enjoy the ports and my young adult kids stick together and have no need to ever speak or get to know anyone in the ship. We do family stuff.

 

 

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[maggie cruises]

Yes he was, but the perpatrator was not RCCL. And what difference does liquor make? These "gentlemen" could have been just as abussive sober as drunk. It was their moral character that was at fault. And they should suffer the most extreme penalty. And just how easy do you think it is to determine just how drunk someone is? In many cases, it is extremely hard to detect...or do you think the bartenders should employ breathalizers.

 

A little levity on both sides of this issue would be nice. BTW, what does the cruise contract say about it?

 

 

 

Omg the point is there was video in place that the ship should have monitored but didn't ...especially since this was a remote unused area of the ship!!!

 

 

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[joelheather]

I have children that are in that age group. It scares the crap out of us that my kids are becoming more independent. I still wont allow my kids to sign themselves out of the kids area. My oldest daughter is a tween. How long can we keep her on the parental leash? Not much longer. However, on a cruise ship I would never allow her to be roaming around alone, especially in the middle of the night.

 

Its very easy to be a Monday morning QB, and always have the right answers, but things do happen even with the most diligent parental guidance. The strange thing is we are all (at one time or another) live life with a false sense of security. For example most people don’t put a seat belt on in a taxi., we hold babies on our laps on planes not belted in.

 

We so desperately take our vacations as an escape from our reality. We let our guards down. But, when the bad things happen... we point fingers. Yes some of these horrible events could have been prevented with common sense. But parents are not perfect.

 

 

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[John&LaLa]

Omg the point is there was video in place that the ship should have monitored but didn't ...especially since this was a remote unused area of the ship!!!

 

 

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It is neither remote or unused.

 

Where did you get that from

 

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[ElaineKeagy]

Does not make any difference who is at fault. A CHILD WAS SCARRED FOR LIFE. His parents will never forgive themselves.

 

Parents going a big Dollar settlement. Their child will have to relive and testify. They do not seem to be too concerned about his emotional well-being.

 

A childs innocence has been taken away.

 

Are we talking about the same child that offered the girl a keychain for her virginity?

Yes we are. And that young innocent child was a already a little prick at age 13

 

 

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[smplybcause]

Most people know that you need to initially sue any and all that could be liable...then the judge certifies who should or shouldn't be sued. You need to do this so as to be sure all possible defendants are considered.

 

The judge has already said rccl is the defendant that the plaintiff should be suing

 

Btw...posters will imply that means I'm saying rccl is guilty...nope...I'm saying the judge is saying if anyone can be held responsible...rccl might be the one

 

 

 

 

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Omg the judge doesn't "verify who should or shouldn't be sued". That's not how it works. A judge decides if motions are valid or not based on law and precedent. All the judge said by not dismissing it is that either law or precedent doesn't agree with their motion to dismiss. (And someone might know legalese better than me) A judge not agreeing with a motion to dismiss does not give the lawsuit any more validity than it had before, it just means he doesn't have the power to dismiss it offhand.

 

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[Big_G]

Add me to the list of active and former LEO's on this thread who will tell you that video surveillance is rarely monitored 24/7. Unless the cruise line conveyed to passengers in some way that they were being monitored or the cruise line has a policy that requires monitoring, the mere presence of surveillance cameras does not create an obligation to monitor them. On a side note, even if the cameras were monitored, the chances of this crime be prevented are probably little to none. I've seen enough video surveillance where you couldn't tell an ass from an elbow so instead of ripping the cruise line for not preventing this incident, give them credit for having had it recorded so these guys went to jail.

[Jarmo]

maggie, I hate to do this because your posts are extremely entertaining, but please stop the ignorant bs, it is an embarrassment.

[RDC1]

I have no idea what ftlog means.

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

And I would bet royal has all public spaces under surveillance - it's not like the library is the only place. And there's plenty of nooks on ships that can't simply be locked up.

 

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They have cameras in many areas that are taped, that does not mean surveillance which would means active monitoring, closely watching.

 

Take the cases where someone goes overboard. The do not know when it is happening, but once they know an event has occurred they can go back and see what did take place.

[RDC1]

Most people know that you need to initially sue any and all that could be liable...then the judge certifies who should or shouldn't be sued. You need to do this so as to be sure all possible defendants are considered.

 

The judge has already said rccl is the defendant that the plaintiff should be suing

 

Btw...posters will imply that means I'm saying rccl is guilty...nope...I'm saying the judge is saying if anyone can be held responsible...rccl might be the one

 

 

 

 

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Not quite. The judge is saying that he cannot exclude RCCL based upon the law and the merits of the case. Not unusual in cases like this. As with many other cases in the US system this will be determined largely in jury selection and the venue, not the merits and even if RCCL loses, would not be surprised if it would get overturned on appeal.

[maggie cruises]

It is neither remote or unused.

 

Where did you get that from

 

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Doubtful it's used at 2am

 

Remote in that it's usually not located in the atrium

 

However your post actually reinforces the need for it to be monitored

 

 

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[Merion_Mom]

Actually at 2am the most remote spots in the ship are the ones that need the most surveillance

 

The casino needs cameras to stop cheaters but certainly not to stop an assault in a crowded casino

 

The library door should have been locked at 2am. No need for a closed in room to be open. It's a perfect spot for attack and the ship should recognize this. They shut down pools water slides etc at night at some published time don't they? Why is that I wonder? Oh yes to keep people safe

 

They put up wet floor signs

 

They rope off entrance to the open promenade decks during high winds. Again why is that? Oh yes...a safety precaution

 

The library should have set hours and then locked. No need for access to the library at 2am especially since they don't want to monitor its security cameras.

 

Bottom line is remote areas of the ship need the most surveillance

 

Either lock them or watch them.

 

 

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Well I disagree about the ship not being responsible about the curfew. The victim had to walk down a corridor or take an elevator or something to get to the library. Those areas should have been monitored as well. I've never seen a library next to a cabin either. So he had to either get there somehow...or...and this hasn't been mentioned yet....lured there somehow

 

 

Why isn't anyone questioning why he would be there in the 1st place?

 

 

My take....

 

He was forced in there by the father and friend which makes it ever scarier that 2 men to get a 13 yo into the library without being noticed ....did they teleport themselves? Nope they walked across decks ...up or down stairs...plus they had to find the kid first. Very unsettling.

 

Just think it through...why would he go to the library on his own? Ever.

 

He was lured imho either by the father or perhaps the daughter....remember we don't know what he said to her....but my mind runs the gamut of the possibilities.

 

Imho everyone involved is a punk and fortunately the father and friend have been jailed...but the kid...probably a real winner anyway....is still a victim.

 

 

 

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Have you ever even been on a Royal Caribbean ship? How about the Independence of the Seas?

 

The "library" is not a "room" that can be locked. It is an open area on Deck 7 by the aft elevators.

[maggie cruises]

maggie, I hate to do this because your posts are extremely entertaining, but please stop the ignorant bs, it is an embarrassment.

 

 

 

Nope what's an embarrassment is that so many here think rccl didn't need to monitor their cameras

 

Or

 

That the parents are at fault

 

Or

 

That rccl shouldn't be more cognizant as to the happenings in the ship at 2am

 

I guess I'm ignorant to suggest the library be locked at 2am?

 

Tell me why do they put rope netting over the pools? Why do they do that I wonder?

 

 

 

 

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[maggie cruises]

Omg the judge doesn't "verify who should or shouldn't be sued". That's not how it works. A judge decides if motions are valid or not based on law and precedent. All the judge said by not dismissing it is that either law or precedent doesn't agree with their motion to dismiss. (And someone might know legalese better than me) A judge not agreeing with a motion to dismiss does not give the lawsuit any more validity than it had before, it just means he doesn't have the power to dismiss it offhand.

 

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Ok then...how about this...the judge decided the motion was valid.

 

 

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[Jarmo]

No.

[John&LaLa]

Doubtful it's used at 2am

 

Remote in that it's usually not located in the atrium

 

However your post actually reinforces the need for it to be monitored

 

 

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Have you been on a Voyager or Freedom ship?

 

Deck 7 overlooking Promenade.

 

Very open

 

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[smplybcause]

They have cameras in many areas that are taped, that does not mean surveillance which would means active monitoring, closely watching.

 

Take the cases where someone goes overboard. The do not know when it is happening, but once they know an event has occurred they can go back and see what did take place.

I wasn't aware there was a big difference between the terms as it's not my forte. I meant what you said.

 

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[maggie cruises]

Have you been on a Voyager or Freedom ship?

 

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Doesn't matter as I've been in numerous ships. It was a room that an accomplice was able to stand by the door in order to watch for pax. The perp had a private room to attack the boy. However if you are implying on this class of ship that the library is in a well traveled area then all the more reason to monitor it.

 

The argument will always go back to this....there was an unmonitored area at 2am which is a known time for incidents to happen and this is true on all ships all lines so rccl should have stepped up security at this time.

 

 

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[John&LaLa]

Nope what's an embarrassment is that so many here think rccl didn't need to monitor their cameras

 

Or

 

That the parents are at fault

 

Or

 

That rccl shouldn't be more cognizant as to the happenings in the ship at 2am

 

I guess I'm ignorant to suggest the library be locked at 2am?

 

Tell me why do they put rope netting over the pools? Why do they do that I wonder?

 

 

 

 

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Ignorant in that you can't understand the library is the passageway between elevator banks on a cabin deck

 

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[Jarmo]

Doesn't matter as I've been in numerous ships. It was a room that an accomplice was able to stand by the door in order to watch for pax. The perp had a private room to attack the boy.

Not private.

 

Do you know the difference between logic and emotion?

[John&LaLa]

Nope what's an embarrassment is that so many here think rccl didn't need to monitor their cameras

 

Or

 

That the parents are at fault

 

Or

 

That rccl shouldn't be more cognizant as to the happenings in the ship at 2am

 

I guess I'm ignorant to suggest the library be locked at 2am?

 

Tell me why do they put rope netting over the pools? Why do they do that I wonder?

 

 

 

 

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That's actually dangerous in my book.

 

You could fall in and get tangled.

 

That could be a lot more common than this assault

 

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[John&LaLa]

Doesn't matter as I've been in numerous ships. It was a room that an accomplice was able to stand by the door in order to watch for pax. The perp had a private room to attack the boy.

 

 

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You might want to look at the deck plan

 

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[smplybcause]

Ok then...how about this...the judge decided the motion was valid.

 

 

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Still incorrect. Please try again.

 

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[maggie cruises]

Ignorant in that you can't understand the library is the passageway between elevator banks on a cabin deck

 

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Cabin decks should be monitored

 

Elevator decks should be monitored

 

 

 

 

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