Very disturbing lawsuit

[voyager70]

Outrageous! The kid may very well be a total punk. That does not justify the sex crime that savage committed.

 

Of course it doesn't, I never meant to imply that. But as a father of a teenage daughter I have no sympathy for teenage punks/rapists.

[molsonschooner]

In places like a cruise ship (or a mall), cameras are supposed to be used to monitor real time, so that they can step in and avoid incidents getting too out of hand. This incident could just as easily have happened at 8pm, by the sound of it (the attacker sought out the victim specifically because of a comment made about his daughter). I think the time of night (and the plaintiffs citing the curfew) is probably skewing people’s view on this case.

 

where would you get the idea that cameras are to be monitored in real time?

[SarcasmSpasm]

To many cameras.

 

Can you prioritize which ones?

 

Pools/hot tubs

Outside Promenade

Hallways

Bars

Casino

Solarium

Helipad

Theater

Library (maybe a reason to remove them)

Internet Cafe

 

I know I can't

 

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Tell that to NYPD law enforcement who have to monitor thousands of cameras in areas like Times Square. Yet they do it because safety is priority.

 

With their profits, RCCL can most certainly make safety a bigger priority. If that means adding more people on their security team, so be it.

[grandgeezer]

Tell that to NYPD law enforcement who have to monitor thousands of cameras in areas like Times Square. Yet they do it because safety is priority.

 

With their profits, RCCL can most certainly make safety a bigger priority. If that means adding more people on their security team, so be it.

 

Or they can stay true to form and cut bar staff and wait staff.

[Finbar127]

Of course it doesn't, I never meant to imply that. But as a father of a teenage daughter I have no sympathy for teenage punks/rapists.

 

As the father of a teenage daughter I would have agreed with your statement if someone had punched the kid in the mouth. Considering the perp's actions your statement sounded inappropriate IMHO.

[grandgeezer]

where would you get the idea that cameras are to be monitored in real time?

 

They do at the casinos but again that has very little to do with safety, just watching the money.

[molsonschooner]

So forget about the cameras for a moment....

 

Why are you defending the cruiseline? They are without a doubt guilty of not enforcing their curfew rules if nothing g else

 

If you think they dont need increased security at 2am you are very wrong

 

They allowed a 13 yo to roam with being stopped. Yup it's up to the ship to know who is roaming the hallways and decks and library and bars....at 2am!!!!! Sorry rccl is in the wrong. Not the victim...not the parents

 

Adults should be concerned for their own safety too at this time

 

But while you are at it....why don't you suggest another scenario...how about this...

 

The parents put the kid to bed at midnight but he got up and went out while the parents were sleeping?

 

Or that the kid was roaming looking to be attacked?

 

All fantasy theory with no basis and NOT stated in the article...however...the ARTICLE states the cameras weren't monitored.

 

 

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I don't know how you can say the cruise line is guilty of nor enforcing the curfew. I have read many times about staff directing minors back to their cabin if it is past curfew. Just because this situation happened does not mean they did not enforce the curfew, it might be that they just never saw the minor. If you don't see something you can't enforce it.

[smplybcause]

Of course it doesn't, I never meant to imply that. But as a father of a teenage daughter I have no sympathy for teenage punks/rapists.

The teenage "punk" wasn't, however the father of the girl actually is a rapist.

 

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[smplybcause]

Tell that to NYPD law enforcement who have to monitor thousands of cameras in areas like Times Square. Yet they do it because safety is priority.

 

With their profits, RCCL can most certainly make safety a bigger priority. If that means adding more people on their security team, so be it.

So zero crime happens in time square? Or at least is interrupted as it's happening?

 

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[CocoaMom]

Many are asking about the parents - I just want to play devils advocate for a moment: let’s say the parents were in bed asleep and to the best of their knowledge, this kid was in his bed ... and in fact he may have been, but he could have been across the hall ( yes, Royal allows kids to be in separate cabin). Unfortunately, kids don’t always follow parent rules...he could have left. Who knows? Regardless of what type of kid this is, it’s still a kid - and Royal has got to accept a lot of this. Quite frankly I think their foolish to not quietly settle this.

[SarcasmSpasm]

So zero crime happens in time square? Or at least is interrupted as it's happening?

 

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As someone who has family in NY law enforcement and agencies - yes. It’s astonishing how much is caught “in real time.” Is it fool proof? Do things happen? Yes. But the amount that has been caught is staggering.

[time4u2go]

Settling this will cost rccl much less than a verdict especially if proven that cameras weren't manned

 

However rccl didn't enforce their curfew either. So strike 2

 

A 13yo was the victim no matter which way anyone tries to change it. You absolutely cannot blame the victim of an assault.

 

Also...since I'm a logical thinker...until it's proven the parents allowed him out and about at 2am...he could have well left the cabin with them thinking he was asleep.

 

 

McDonald's probably wishes they had settled too The woman only wanted her medical bills paid...I can't stress that enough because I know so many people still believe she was trying to get a big payout.

 

 

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I'd suggest you go back and read previous posts by those knowledgeable in this area regarding manning the cameras and enforcing the curfew.

[John&LaLa]

Or they can stay true to form and cut bar staff and wait staff.

 

They have all those un needed lifeguards as well. :rolleyes:

[constable145]

Rarely, if ever, are CCTV feeds monitored in real time. There are too many cameras to monitor in real time. This is true if many public safety environments.

[ONECRUISER]

I am not a litigious person but come on.....did you not read the part of the article that said Rccl was NOT monitoring their security cameras?

 

Would your opinion be any different if it weren't a 13 yo boy but rather a 39 yo? Male or female doesn't matter...what matters is that it was an attack caught on video that should have been manned in real time....but wasn't

 

 

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Not all camera's are watched all the time. Security cameras in many places are there recording but looked at after an incident. Typical most places. On Royal they may have hundreds, cannot watch every one. Worked for Gov't in High Security Area where there was too many camera's to watch all of them, only if something happened or Alarm went off...

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[John&LaLa]

Tell that to NYPD law enforcement who have to monitor thousands of cameras in areas like Times Square. Yet they do it because safety is priority.

 

With their profits, RCCL can most certainly make safety a bigger priority. If that means adding more people on their security team, so be it.

 

Historically video cameras have been more useful in solving crimes than in preventing them.

[ONECRUISER]

... I remember this story from couple years ago when happened. At time was said Physical assault, not a sexual assault.

[joelheather]

Does not make any difference who is at fault. A CHILD WAS SCARRED FOR LIFE. His parents will never forgive themselves. Those MEN should have there BALLS CUT OFF, then shot only after they slowly bleed out, so they have time to suffer.

 

A childs innocence has been taken away. Thats the real story here. If they get some cash in the process. Good for him and his family. Im surprised, at least as i read there was no mention of surveillance cams in the library.

 

Did i mention those in-human pieces of human excrement should only die slowly and painfully. I hope those two rot in hell....

 

 

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[Dianacm]

Settling this will cost rccl much less than a verdict especially if proven that cameras weren't manned

 

However rccl didn't enforce their curfew either. So strike 2

 

A 13yo was the victim no matter which way anyone tries to change it. You absolutely cannot blame the victim of an assault.

 

Also...since I'm a logical thinker...until it's proven the parents allowed him out and about at 2am...he could have well left the cabin with them thinking he was asleep.

 

 

McDonald's probably wishes they had settled too The woman only wanted her medical bills paid...I can't stress that enough because I know so many people still believe she was trying to get a big payout.

 

 

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Corporations with resources often settle cases when they know they are at fault, but vigorously defend cases when they feel they are not to reduce the number of lawsuits brought against them, given that plaintiff's attorneys often don't get paid until they win or settle. Going to trial is often a relatively greater risk for the plaintiff's legal team than for the defendant with deep pockets. Unless it is clear RCCI did something egregious--watched the assault happen and didn't intervene, for ex--they will probably look at this and decide that if they settle, they'll see many more lawsuits from people who are injured on camera.

[voyager70]

Does not make any difference who is at fault. A CHILD WAS SCARRED FOR LIFE. His parents will never forgive themselves. Those MEN should have there BALLS CUT OFF, then shot only after they slowly bleed out, so they have time to suffer.

 

A childs innocence has been taken away. Thats the real story here. If they get some cash in the process. Good for him and his family. Im surprised, at least as i read there was no mention of surveillance cams in the library.

 

Did i mention those in-human pieces of human excrement should only die slowly and painfully. I hope those two rot in hell....

 

 

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Same could be said for the punk who tried to rape the teenage girl

[rjrice1]

First I hope this young child gets all the medical help he shall need especially as he gets older.... he will need it too.

Second. Why was this young child out roaming the ship so late????? Maybe he had a cabin without his parents and left without

their knowledge. Maybe he looked a lot older than an average teen.. Now a days these kids look like grown adults.

I do hope the "accusers" meet their "accusers" in prison" Do believe in krama and those men do not like anyone who harms kids...

justice will be served.

Yes, if RCCL was smart they would settled out of court. As I mention hopefully his parents will set a side all of the money for

"him" and not for themselves..

We really can't blame anyone but the accusers for what happened. Drunk or not... You do the crime you do the time.

[ElaineKeagy]

Tell that to NYPD law enforcement who have to monitor thousands of cameras in areas like Times Square. Yet they do it because safety is priority.

 

 

 

With their profits, RCCL can most certainly make safety a bigger priority. If that means adding more people on their security team, so be it.

 

 

 

Equating Times Square and its constant threats 24/7 with the library on a cruise ship just doesn’t compute for me.

 

 

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[SarcasmSpasm]

Equating Times Square and its constant threats 24/7 with the library on a cruise ship just doesn’t compute for me.

 

 

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I’m simply saying that if a massive city can monitor one of the most well visited places in the world, why can’t a ship do the same?? They have the resources...

 

At 2am I expect a heightened level of security- whether it be a hotel, or cruise ship. This is the time when intoxicated people are roaming the ship and crimes are more likely to be committed. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation.

[Aquahound]

Many are asking about the parents - I just want to play devils advocate for a moment: let’s say the parents were in bed asleep and to the best of their knowledge, this kid was in his bed ... and in fact he may have been, but he could have been across the hall ( yes, Royal allows kids to be in separate cabin). Unfortunately, kids don’t always follow parent rules...he could have left. Who knows? Regardless of what type of kid this is, it’s still a kid - and Royal has got to accept a lot of this. Quite frankly I think their foolish to not quietly settle this.

 

So, if the kid snuck out and the parents didn't know, they get a pass.......yet, if RCI didn't know these kids were out, they're liable for not enforcing curfew or manning cameras? Sorry, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[Aquahound]

I’m simply saying that if a massive city can monitor one of the most well visited places in the world, why can’t a ship do the same?? They have the resources...

 

At 2am I expect a heightened level of security- whether it be a hotel, or cruise ship. This is the time when intoxicated people are roaming the ship and crimes are more likely to be committed. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable expectation.

 

NYPD has over 51,000 employees and they live/work in the world's #1 target for terrorism. Cruise ship crime is very low, relatively. Comparing the constant monitoring of a place like Times Square to a cruise ship is not very reasonable. There just isn't enough crime on a cruise ship to justify the personnel needed to constantly watch about 300 cameras.