Single Smoking Thread (Use for all smoking discussions on HAL) )

[Ipeeinthepools]

35 minutes ago, *Miss G* said:

 

It’s sad that the newest ships allow smoking in the casino.  An opportunity missed, for sure.  The Vista (Zuiderdam, Westerdam, Oosterdam, Noordam) and Signature Class ships (Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam) only allow smoking outdoors by the aft pool.

 

 

HAL can fix this with a stroke of a pen. 

[3rdGenCunarder]

54 minutes ago, *Miss G* said:

It’s sad that the newest ships allow smoking in the casino.  An opportunity missed, for sure.  The Vista (Zuiderdam, Westerdam, Oosterdam, Noordam) and Signature Class ships (Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam) only allow smoking outdoors by the aft pool.

 

 

I was surprised and disappointed when I was on K'dam when it was new. A nice shiny-new clean ship should not have had indoor smoking. And the smoke smell did drift down the stairs to the Music Walk.

[Ipeeinthepools]

1 hour ago, 3rdGenCunarder said:

 

I was surprised and disappointed when I was on K'dam when it was new. A nice shiny-new clean ship should not have had indoor smoking. And the smoke smell did drift down the stairs to the Music Walk.

 

I know, but there are still some people that will tell you it isn't a problem.

[hikergirl]

88% of Americans do not smoke. It is incredible that HAL allows it in the casinos since the smoke doesn't stay in one place. The casino in the kdam, has open access on both ends; no doors to keep the smoke in.

[Seasick Sailor]

Maybe the larger ships offer smoking due to the casino weeks? We always ask our PCC to book us after the casino weeks. One day we boarded Rotterdam and the same day slots were removed from Ocean bar but the smoke smell persisted for several days. 

[Ipeeinthepools]

If the 88% of cruisers keep telling HAL that we don't want indoor smoking in every available forum and survey, HAL will eventually notice and eliminate indoor smoking.

[Ipeeinthepools]

I'll try to get this back on topic;  From the CDC:

 

• There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. People who do not smoke who are exposed to secondhand smoke, even for a short time, can suffer harmful health effects.^1,2,3
• In adults who do not smoke, secondhand smoke exposure can cause coronary heart disease, stroke, lung cancer, and other diseases. It can also result in premature death.^1,2,3
• Secondhand smoke can cause adverse reproductive health effects in women, including low birth weight.^1,3
• In children, secondhand smoke exposure can cause respiratory infections, ear infections, and asthma attacks. In babies, secondhand smoke can cause sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).^1,2,3
• Since 1964, about 2,500,000 people who did not smoke died from health problems caused by secondhand smoke exposure.¹
• The effects of secondhand smoke exposure on the body are immediate.^1,3  Secondhand smoke exposure can produce harmful inflammatory and respiratory effects within 60 minutes of exposure which can last for at least three hours after exposure.⁴

 

 

^{https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/secondhand-smoke/health.html}

 

 

[mightycruisequeen]

I think pretty much everyone is aware that secondhand smoke is harmful, including the smokers on this forum, most of whom probably don't even smoke inside their own homes.   But then, they come on here, and insist they should be allowed to stink up the inside of Holland America's beautiful ships. Go figure.

[KroozNut]

1 hour ago, mightycruisequeen said:

I think pretty much everyone is aware that secondhand smoke is harmful, including the smokers on this forum, most of whom probably don't even smoke inside their own homes.   But then, they come on here, and insist they should be allowed to stink up the inside of Holland America's beautiful ships. Go figure.

 

Again, I am a nonsmoker now (quit about 12 years ago). So I have personal perspective from both sides of this issue. From my own experience as a former smoker, and from observations of smoker's behaviors today (aboard ships and otherwise); the vast majority of smokers follow the rules regarding where they can and cannot smoke.

So they're not in the habit of 'insisting they should be allowed to stink up the inside of HAL's ships', or anywhere else for that matter. They are simply appreciative of being allowed to smoke somewhere, and will follow whatever smoking rules are in place for wherever they happen to be at any point in time (aboard a ship, land-based venue, etc.)

HAL's current smoking policies are what they are, and smokers will comply with those rules. When/if HAL updates or changes smoking policies aboard their ships, I'm sure that smokers will comply with those updated policies, as they always have (again, based on my own personal experience/observation).

[mightycruisequeen]

2 hours ago, KroozNut said:

 

Again, I am a nonsmoker now (quit about 12 years ago). So I have personal perspective from both sides of this issue. From my own experience as a former smoker, and from observations of smoker's behaviors today (aboard ships and otherwise); the vast majority of smokers follow the rules regarding where they can and cannot smoke.

So they're not in the habit of 'insisting they should be allowed to stink up the inside of HAL's ships', or anywhere else for that matter. They are simply appreciative of being allowed to smoke somewhere, and will follow whatever smoking rules are in place for wherever they happen to be at any point in time (aboard a ship, land-based venue, etc.)

HAL's current smoking policies are what they are, and smokers will comply with those rules. When/if HAL updates or changes smoking policies aboard their ships, I'm sure that smokers will comply with those updated policies, as they always have (again, based on my own personal experience/observation).

Yeah, a lot of us were once smokers.  I remember the intense discomfort of not being able to smoke in more & more places; it was a big problem for me, and it was one of many things that led me to the decision that I needed to quit.  As a smoker, though, I was desensitized to the smell, and didn't understand why non-smokers were so put off, but the past twenty years of being a non-smoker have educated me about that.

Edited May 23, 2023 by mightycruisequeen

[tobymurph]

This is slightly off topic but is there a charge to go into the casino? I would think anyone is welcome if spending money but thought I'd ask. 

[Ipeeinthepools]

20 minutes ago, tobymurph said:

This is slightly off topic but is there a charge to go into the casino? I would think anyone is welcome if spending money but thought I'd ask. 

 

No.  There's never any charge to have a chance to lose your money.

[KroozNut]

On 5/24/2023 at 7:49 PM, Ipeeinthepools said:

 

No.  There's never any charge to have a chance to lose your money.

Is it the same charge to have a chance to win our money?

[Ipeeinthepools]

1 hour ago, KroozNut said:

Is it the same charge to have a chance to win our money?

 

If they are winning your money you must have lost your money. 🤔 So I suspect  it's the same money but they have less chance to win your money compared to the odds for you to lose your money. The casino always wins.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Ipeeinthepools

[KroozNut]

16 hours ago, Ipeeinthepools said:

 

If they are winning your money you must have lost your money. 🤔 So I suspect  it's the same money but they have less chance to win your money compared to the odds for you to lose your money. The casino always wins.

 

What is the charge for us to win their money, other than what we invest to win that money? 🤔

[lyndarra]

An nary a thought anywhere here for the crew that have to endure an unsafe workplace.

[SUESEABE]

Found article about more non smoking sections to come to some ships. It's from January of 2023 so apologies in advance if already posted.

https://cruisefever.net/cruise-line-expands-casinos-with-non-smoking-sections/

[horseymike]

Hi Everyone,

Would recent HAL cruisers please name the HAL ships that have a SMOKE FREE casino ?

 

Thanks

[Denise T]

The Niew Amsterdam which I just got off on June 4 has a smoke free casino. It was a pleasure being in the casino. 

[Seasick Sailor]

@horseymike

The Vista (Zuiderdam, Westerdam, Oosterdam, Noordam) and Signature Class ships (Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam) only allow smoking outdoors by the aft pool.

[Mary229]

30 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

@horseymike

The Vista (Zuiderdam, Westerdam, Oosterdam, Noordam) and Signature Class ships (Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam) only allow smoking outdoors by the aft pool.

This spring the Volendam had the same policy

[horseymike]

Thanks For Your Replies 🛳️

[wannagonow123]

You know, if someone would post a thread, with a listing of where smoking areas really are, and which casinos are "smoke-free" and make the thread where no comments can be made, it would eliminate the questions. If someone asks where the smoking sections are on ship XYZ, you get 3 pages of how bad smoking is for you, and coming short of calling a smoker a murderer. Really if frustrating trying to find an answer on that thread. Sorry.

[Mike07]

Niew Statendam had a small, smoke-free casino next to the main casino. My estimate is that lines are unlikely to do completely away with smoking in the casino as I think Carnival tried that once (smoke-free ship) and it didn't do so well.

 

Vegas is technically smoke-free, but the casinos got a nice carve out b/c you guessed it, smoking and gambling go hand-in-hand.

[lissie]

Depends on where they are sailing - all indoor  spaces on all ships are smoke free in Australia and NZ