Way too early to speculate about our CB cruise being cancelled, but

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, voljeep said:

from a previous thread , now on page 2 ...

 

My son works forSulza

They are working on the main propulsion she has two DC Motors 19000 kilowatts each side they have to strip out the stator and the job is massive dirty and dangerous they have to do this with the rotar in-situ and I can tell you now they are well behind time and up against it

As you probably know the power for these Motors comes from the generator Hooked Up to the main engines which are 11000 approximately kilowatts each I doubt very much this ship be anywhere near on time

 she is supposed to be in dry dock but she's floating at the moment I just want my son to come back home safe this is one hell of a job I will keep you all posted

With all due respect to the poster you quote, who is looking out for their son, from statements made in their posts, this person has no real experience in ships or shipyards, and so his feeling of the jobs progress should be taken with some skepticism.  All critical path work like this will have some leeway figured into the schedule, and the prep work always seems to take too long, but the job gets done in time.

[voljeep]

3 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

With all due respect to the poster you quote, who is looking out for their son, from statements made in their posts, this person has no real experience in ships or shipyards, and so his feeling of the jobs progress should be taken with some skepticism.  All critical path work like this will have some leeway figured into the schedule, and the prep work always seems to take too long, but the job gets done in time.

let's hope so for all ... safely first and foremost  ...

[chengkp75]

19 minutes ago, voljeep said:

let's hope so for all ... safely first and foremost  ...

Shipyards are used to rigging and lifting loads much heavier than this all the time.  The entire motor, as listed in this poster's pictures is 86 metric tons, and the stator is only 26 tonnes.  Heck, the propeller for the Emma Maersk class container ships weigh 131metric tons, and you're rigging off the sloping hull underneath the stern.  The only unusual danger I see with this project is if a storm blows up, in just the right direction, while CB has the hole in her side.  This is what happened to the Pride of America during building in Bremerhaven, and resulted in her sinking at the dock.

[jeromep]

5 hours ago, voljeep said:

That being stated ... is there a Princess "policy" for these situations as to refunds , future cruise credits or

'move overs' ?  I'm fully aware that this is the last thing that Princess hopes - cancelling a cruise

 

but RCCL and to cancel 3 when the crane fell on their ship and I read that the passengers got a

full refund... obviously ... and a 100% future cruise credit for the cruise fare paid

 

just way to early wondering for a cruise 25 days out, but after reading a couple of posts

about the CB this morning ...

Do you have a link to a new items or site which covers the details of the dry drydock?

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I hope someone will have photos/videos of the work done during the wet/drydock and will be willing to share with the group. Should be some interesting images. 

[chengkp75]

2 minutes ago, Ep010835 said:

I hope someone will have photos/videos of the work done during the wet/drydock and will be willing to share with the group. Should be some interesting images. 

The shipyard has strict rules about posting images of work, and customers are required to sign compliance documents when they contract with the yard.

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Princess did a professional quality video of the Grand refurb in Portland last month. 

 

Is this a policy that varies by location?

[chengkp75]

1 minute ago, Ep010835 said:

Princess did a professional quality video of the Grand refurb in Portland last month. 

 

Is this a policy that varies by location?

That was a corporate production, and the shipyard would have vetted it to determine if there was anything detrimental, or even that could be used in a lawsuit.

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5 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

That was a corporate production, and the shipyard would have vetted it to determine if there was anything detrimental, or even that could be used in a lawsuit.

 

Good to know. I'm hoping that the same thing will happen after the CB returns to service. 

 

Thanks, Chief. Always terrific to have someone here who really IS an expert on these things!

[chengkp75]

28 minutes ago, Ep010835 said:

 

Good to know. I'm hoping that the same thing will happen after the CB returns to service. 

 

Thanks, Chief. Always terrific to have someone here who really IS an expert on these things!

I can remember when a group of lawyers came on the ship to video the engine control room for a lawsuit when the Norwegian Sky did a rapid turn at high speed and listed about 25-30* and over a hundred passengers were injured.  We had to remove all printed documents from bulletin boards, and corporate manuals from bookshelves, because if the printing could be read on the video, then it was subject to subpoena.  They also wanted the watch engineer to leave his desk while they video taped, and I told them they would be escorted off by security if they continued to demand this.  These were the cruise line's lawyers.

[Coral]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

The shipyard has strict rules about posting images of work, and customers are required to sign compliance documents when they contract with the yard.

I have seen some "Cruise Staff" post pictures on their facebook pages. In the situation I was thinking of - it was an Asst. CD and were of inside pictures of the ship (lounges, pools, dining, new tvs).

Edited April 19, 2019 by Coral

[AmazedByCruising]

2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

I can remember when a group of lawyers came on the ship to video the engine control room for a lawsuit when the Norwegian Sky did a rapid turn at high speed and listed about 25-30* and over a hundred passengers were injured.  We had to remove all printed documents from bulletin boards, and corporate manuals from bookshelves, because if the printing could be read on the video, then it was subject to subpoena.  They also wanted the watch engineer to leave his desk while they video taped, and I told them they would be escorted off by security if they continued to demand this.  These were the cruise line's lawyers.

 

Huh? I don't think I understand what you're saying. You didn't trust the lawyers working for NCL that they would not disclose possible incriminating images against NCL? Did NCL really have a copy of "How to get rid of nasty guests by throwing them overboard in just 6 easy steps" that would be seen on video? Or is it that under no circumstance the watch engineer could leave his desk because safety is more important than a lawsuit?

Edited April 20, 2019 by AmazedByCruising

[tere247]

11 hours ago, pms4104 said:

So if Princess has to cancel any cruises due ro a longer than expected drydock ... they will issue a full credit to all impacted passengers and likely cover any air change fees or penalties associated with prepaid hotels.  As a bonus, they'll give those impacted an IOU for a barrel chair and extra butter on their next Princess cruise.

 

Seriously, I don't believe Princess ought to both refund the cancelled cruise fare AND issue a 100 percent credit for a future sailing.

A few years ago, we had a Caribbean cruise cancelled  because there decided to send her to Europe earlier.  They refunded our deposit and gave us $15 on board credit on a future cruise.

We were on the first cruise after the Coral's dry dock.  We departed late, first port was cancelled, weather kept us from the next 2 ports. We only made it to Cozumel where we stayed overnight.  We were given $100 on board credit and 50% credit towards a future cruise.

We were also on the cruise immediately after the Crown Princess tilt. Cruise was shortened from 9 days to 7 days. We were given back 50% of our fare.  

 

[fishywood]

11 hours ago, pms4104 said:

So if Princess has to cancel any cruises due ro a longer than expected drydock ... they will issue a full credit to all impacted passengers and likely cover any air change fees or penalties associated with prepaid hotels.  As a bonus, they'll give those impacted an IOU for a barrel chair and extra butter on their next Princess cruise.

 

Seriously, I don't believe Princess ought to both refund the cancelled cruise fare AND issue a 100 percent credit for a future sailing.

 

What you--and the OP--described is what Royal Caribbean is offering its passengers on the three cancelled cruises due to their drydock accident. Princess does not have a track record of being so generous. If the cruise is completely cancelled they will offer a full refund (not an FCC) and possibly a token incentive for use on their next cruise. I don't believe anyone has reported receiving a 100% FCC along with a refund other than in conjunction with a "move over" offer, which used to be at a minimum 100% refundable OBC + 100% FCC (and a free meta upgrade as well). So it is curious that Princess sweetens the pot more for a "voluntary" rebooking than an involuntary cancellation.

[chengkp75]

6 hours ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

Huh? I don't think I understand what you're saying. You didn't trust the lawyers working for NCL that they would not disclose possible incriminating images against NCL? Did NCL really have a copy of "How to get rid of nasty guests by throwing them overboard in just 6 easy steps" that would be seen on video? Or is it that under no circumstance the watch engineer could leave his desk because safety is more important than a lawsuit?

No, the lawyers required removal of all printed documents, not us.  I sort of understood their point, and we complied.  Yes, I rejected having the engineer step away (they felt that with his face shown, he would be liable for subpoena, even though he was not present two years previously when the incident happened), because his job was to monitor the plant and keep it running, regardless of what was going on around him.

[land lover]

Wouldn't insurances companies make decisions on most of the payouts? Each situation is looked at individually, there is no hard fast "rule."

Edited April 20, 2019 by land lover

[land lover]

In April 2009, we were in Cabo, arrived by the Mariner(RCI). A couple of hours later Carnival arrived but no one was disembarking. Once back on our ship we found out why...the swine flu.  All ships in Mexico were being redirected...most headed up to San Francisco...compensation on RCI was free drinks one afternoon and 100 OBC. If I remember correctly 4 diverted ships docked in the bay. So compensation stories were exchanged....The Carnival, Princess and NCL lines gave their guests far more than we received. After our return, most in our roll call group wrote letters to RCI asking for more addressing what the other cruise lines had done and no go.

 

Each situation is different...but I do believe, more compensation is given today then ever before.

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6 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

No, the lawyers required removal of all printed documents, not us.  I sort of understood their point, and we complied.  Yes, I rejected having the engineer step away (they felt that with his face shown, he would be liable for subpoena, even though he was not present two years previously when the incident happened), because his job was to monitor the plant and keep it running, regardless of what was going on around him.

 

I'm not a Master Mariner by any means but to an outsider like me, your decision to keep the watch engineer at his station seems perfectly prudent and reasonable 

[Colo Cruiser]

[myjillian]

On 4/19/2019 at 1:03 PM, pms4104 said:

So if Princess has to cancel any cruises due ro a longer than expected drydock ... they will issue a full credit to all impacted passengers and likely cover any air change fees or penalties associated with prepaid hotels.  As a bonus, they'll give those impacted an IOU for a barrel chair and extra butter on their next Princess cruise.

 

Seriously, I don't believe Princess ought to both refund the cancelled cruise fare AND issue a 100 percent credit for a future sailing.

Love this post😍

[DrivesLikeMario]

The RCI refund for the cancelled cruises was really generous.  I wouldn't expect Princess to be quite so generous. 
Celebrity cancelled half of our cruise once and it was a huge mess.  We were offered refundable OBC for the missed days, a credit toward airfare changes and a credit toward a 4 night hotel stay (which at that late time, was incredibly expensive).  We chose to move to another ship completely and only got our airfare change fees paid.  I really hope yours is either a "go" or completely cancelled because the half-way cancellations don't work out to be very relaxing.

[voljeep]

4 minutes ago, myjillian said:

Love this post😍

so ... I've scheduled limited vacation time ... paid all monies due in full, by the due date ... and yet, you seem

willing to allow Princess to just walk away and say - oh, well, we gave you back the money you gave us ... and we held for 60-75-90 days ...

 

I personally think there should be a graduated schedule of when the cruise is cancelled of additional consideration

such as future cruise credit, OBC - the sooner you are notified of a cruise cancellation, the less you should get ... and I'm talking months ... not days ... just as Princess has a refund schedule for cruises you cancel - the closer to sail date the less you get back if you cancel ...

[Host CJSKIDS]

3 minutes ago, DrivesLikeMario said:

The RCI refund for the cancelled cruises was really generous.  I wouldn't expect Princess to be quite so generous. 
Celebrity cancelled half of our cruise once and it was a huge mess.  We were offered refundable OBC for the missed days, a credit toward airfare changes and a credit toward a 4 night hotel stay (which at that late time, was incredibly expensive).  We chose to move to another ship completely and only got our airfare change fees paid.  I really hope yours is either a "go" or completely cancelled because the half-way cancellations don't work out to be very relaxing.

 

 

My only experience with a canceled cruise was when Princess had to cancel our Star sailing half way through due to the fire.  WE got a full refund and 25% towards another cruise.  

I certainly don't hold out much hope for any great credit if this gets canceled and am hoping the work is done on time.

[voljeep]

9 minutes ago, Host CJSKIDS said:

 

 

My only experience with a canceled cruise was when Princess had to cancel our Star sailing half way through due to the fire.  WE got a full refund and 25% towards another cruise.  

I certainly don't hold out much hope for any great credit if this gets canceled and am hoping the work is done on time.

looks like RCCL set the "bar" pretty high ... but, yeah - really looking forward to this little getaway

 

this Star fire cruise - how many days had you taken, days left, how you got back to port - I can't even imagine what that must have been like ...

[DrivesLikeMario]

18 minutes ago, Host CJSKIDS said:

 

 

My only experience with a canceled cruise was when Princess had to cancel our Star sailing half way through due to the fire.  WE got a full refund and 25% towards another cruise.  

I certainly don't hold out much hope for any great credit if this gets canceled and am hoping the work is done on time.

 

That sounds like a more realistic offer.  The RCI was pretty darn nice.