Real ID

[ducklite]

2 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

This statement strained my credulity just a little so when I had a moment I did a little research. "The Jury By Education: 2 College Graduates, 9 High School Graduates, 1 Without Diploma"  is taken from the website https://famous-trials.com/simpson/1989-jurypage#final. And of course that doesn't change the fact that having a GED doesn't mean that one can't understand complex issues.   

I know a number of people with GED's who have gone on to receive advanced degrees from acclaimed universities, including Dartmouth and UCLA.  In every case they were unable to complete high school as they dropped out in their senior year to take full time jobs to supports their families after the death or illness of a parent.  One became the full time legal guardian of three younger siblings after her parents were killed in a car accident six weeks before graduation--two weeks after she turned 18.  She is now an APRN with an MS.

[CPT Trips]

20 hours ago, clo said:

And the existence of those things is likely, IMO, a deterrent.  I've said about TSA that they can strip search me if it deters one person from doing something bad.

 

Nope, nope, nope!

Going through an airport security screening in order to travel does not give law enforcement personnel reasonable suspicion of a crime. Plus, the airport security screeners are not even LEOs.

[RocketMan275]

2 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

This statement strained my credulity just a little so when I had a moment I did a little research. "The Jury By Education: 2 College Graduates, 9 High School Graduates, 1 Without Diploma"  is taken from the website https://famous-trials.com/simpson/1989-jurypage#final. And of course that doesn't change the fact that having a GED doesn't mean that one can't understand complex issues.   

Thank you for the correction.

[ducklite]

11 minutes ago, CPT Trips said:

 

Nope, nope, nope!

Going through an airport security screening in order to travel does not give law enforcement personnel reasonable suspicion of a crime. Plus, the airport security screeners are not even LEOs.

ONE MILLION TIMES THIS!!!

 

I'm letting some burger flipper with a whopping 20 hours of "training" strip search me because they think I had a weird look on my face after they screamed in my ear to take everything out of my pockets--when I didn't even have any pockets to take anything out of.  Of course I had a weird look on my face. It was, "What the hell is wrong with you that you need to scream in someone's ear?"

[clo]

2 minutes ago, ducklite said:

"What the hell is wrong with you that you need to scream in someone's ear?"

I've never had anything like that happen.  I've only been treated with complete respect.  Perhaps I get back what I give out.

[navybankerteacher]

21 hours ago, CPT Trips said:

 

Do you ever wonder why there needs to be a standard ID to get on an airplane or enter a public building?

 

21 hours ago, CPT Trips said:

 

An airline sells tickets, that ticket should be the document that allows access to the aircraft. If the airline wants to restrict that access to a named individual that's their business and they should bear the cost of enforcing the restriction.

This sure sounds like you think that the airline ticket is all the control needed concerning boarding aircraft.

[sparks1093]

48 minutes ago, CPT Trips said:

 

The hijackers on 9/11 had valid tickets and possessed valid ID. They also used items that were permissible, at that time, to carry onto an airplane to carry out their crimes. Being stricter about what could/couldn't be brought on board was a reasonable effective step in increasing security. Examining an ID document in minute detail without doing any real time data matching accomplishes nothing.

 

Reread what I wrote about airlines. No where did I mention anything about airlines operating without government oversight as you imply. Let me restate my point, perhaps clearer this time. Matching airline tickets/boarding passes to ID allows the airline to prevent resale of tickets and pocket the money if you bought a ticket and can't use it. You can't sell your ticket to me, you eat the cost of your ticket and I have to buy mine from the airline. That's a revenue issue, not a security issue.

As far as I know there is real time data matching and also data collection, that all goes on behind the scenes and we don't see it.

[ducklite]

9 minutes ago, clo said:

I've never had anything like that happen.  I've only been treated with complete respect.  Perhaps I get back what I give out.

You have obviously never flown through Orlando.  Worst airport in the country for TSA.  Probably because the majority of people flying through their don't know how to put their shoes on the right feet let alone have a clue what they need to do for security.  But it's still not an excuse to be rude and shout in people's faces to empty their pockets and toss their water bottles.  The last time I had a TSA agent do that, he actually spit on me he was so close to my face.  Absolutely disgusting, and I told him so.  He just stared at me, didn't even apologize.  I took note of his name and filed a complaint through their web site.  Never heard anything back.

 

We are not prisoners, we are not guilty of anything.  They have no right to treat us as if we are.  

 

The only other airport I can think of that comes close to Orlando for incredibly rude for no good reason TSA is TF Green in Rhode Island where I have watched them over and over pull the prettiest 15-25 year old females out of line for "special screening" through the nude-o-scope.  There's a serious problem in that location which I reported six years ago, and as of six months ago I noted that it was still happening.

 

 

 

 

[navybankerteacher]

16 minutes ago, ducklite said:

ONE MILLION TIMES THIS!!!

 

I'm letting some burger flipper with a whopping 20 hours of "training" strip search me because they think I had a weird look on my face after they screamed in my ear to take everything out of my pockets--when I didn't even have any pockets to take anything out of.  Of course I had a weird look on my face. It was, "What the hell is wrong with you that you need to scream in someone's ear?"

 I have never had a TSA agent “... screamed in my ear...” — nor have I ever, in multiple annual airport check in lines, seen one scream in some else’s ear.   I suspect you might have inspired one to raise his/her voice after you ignored instructions (which I suspect might occur, given your arrogant attitude towards them:  “burger flipper” say a lot).

 

Perhaps you would be happier paying the air fares required to hire intensely trained, university graduate, law enforcement officers with Emily Post style interpersonal relations training come out to your car for a personal interview before personally escorting you to your gate.

 

GROW UP.

 

 

[clo]

3 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

 I have never had a TSA agent “... screamed in my ear...” — nor have I ever, in multiple annual airport check in lines, seen one scream in some else’s ear.   I suspect you might have inspired one to raise his/her voice after you ignored instructions (which I suspect might occur, given your arrogant attitude towards them:  “burger flipper” say a lot).

 

Perhaps you would be happier paying the air fares required to hire intensely trained, university graduate, law enforcement officers with Emily Post style interpersonal relations training come out to your car for a personal interview before personally escorting you to your gate.

 

GROW UP.

 

 

I should just "like" or "thank" on this one but I don't think that's enough. I travel through large and small airports all over the country and, as I wrote above, never has anything remotely like this occurred.  And like you I've never seen it happen with anyone else.  Heck, I was even treated respectfully in Tel Aviv airport and they were armed with assault rifles!

[Aquahound]

I'll be the first to admit that TSA personnel can have a tendency to be rude but I'm certain much of that is in response to the people they deal with.  I can just imagine a person trying to do something good with their life being called an uneducated burger flipper and what that would do to their morale.

 

I fly 3-4 times month and I never have a problem.  But then again, I'm always courteous and always address them as sir or ma'am.  

 

And by the way, all TSA personnel are now trained at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Glynco, GA.  

[clo]

1 minute ago, Aquahound said:

 But then again, I'm always courteous and always address them as sir or ma'am.  

Probably 95% of the time I thank them for the job that they do and acknowledge that it's got to be tough at times.

[ldubs]

26 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

 I have never had a TSA agent “... screamed in my ear...” — nor have I ever, in multiple annual airport check in lines, seen one scream in some else’s ear.   I suspect you might have inspired one to raise his/her voice after you ignored instructions (which I suspect might occur, given your arrogant attitude towards them:  “burger flipper” say a lot).

 

  

I have not experienced any of those things from TSA either.  But I have had to deal with the delays that happen when pompous huffy passengers are in the line ahead of me.  

[ducklite]

16 minutes ago, Aquahound said:

I'll be the first to admit that TSA personnel can have a tendency to be rude but I'm certain much of that is in response to the people they deal with.  I can just imagine a person trying to do something good with their life being called an uneducated burger flipper and what that would do to their morale.

 

I fly 3-4 times month and I never have a problem.  But then again, I'm always courteous and always address them as sir or ma'am.  

 

And by the way, all TSA personnel are now trained at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Glynco, GA.  

I don't address them as sir or ma'am.  Why should I?  They aren't a judge.  

 

I'm never rude to them, I actually prefer to have as little as possible interaction with them.  I walk up and hand them my ID and boarding pass.  I remain silent as I walk through the remainder of the security process.  Except when the "barker" is standing right next to me screaming down the line to empty pockets, toss water bottles, etc.  There is no reason to be standing that close to someone and screaming that spittle gets on another person's face.  That's a disgusting and disrespectful thing to do--and then to not even apologize?  P-I-G pig!!!  If they are having a bad day or had a problem with someone else, they need to learn coping skills or find a new line of work.

 

They can be rude to rude people, but I give them no reason to be rude to me.  My silence is cooperation, not rudeness.  If they can't tell the difference, they shouldn't be in a public facing position or working in any type of security role.

[navybankerteacher]

1 minute ago, ldubs said:

  

I have not experienced any of those things from TSA either.  But I have had to deal with the delays that happen when pompous huffy passengers are in the line ahead of me.  

 

Of course, you have to understand how annoying it must be for them to be even spoken to (much less directed by) low characters they see as “smurfs” and “burger flippers”.

[navybankerteacher]

2 minutes ago, ducklite said:

I don't address them as sir or ma'am.  Why should I?  They aren't a judge.  

 

I'm never rude to them, I actually prefer to have as little as possible interaction with them.  I walk up and hand them my ID and boarding pass.  I remain silent as I walk through the remainder of the security process.  Except when the "barker" is standing right next to me screaming down the line to empty pockets, toss water bottles, etc.  There is no reason to be standing that close to someone and screaming that spittle gets on another person's face.  That's a disgusting and disrespectful thing to do--and then to not even apologize?  P-I-G pig!!!  If they are having a bad day or had a problem with someone else, they need to learn coping skills or find a new line of work.

 

They can be rude to rude people, but I give them no reason to be rude to me.  My silence is cooperation, not rudeness.  If they can't tell the difference, they shouldn't be in a public facing position or working in any type of security role.

 

Once more:  GROW UP.

[ducklite]

30 minutes ago, clo said:

I should just "like" or "thank" on this one but I don't think that's enough. I travel through large and small airports all over the country and, as I wrote above, never has anything remotely like this occurred.  And like you I've never seen it happen with anyone else.  Heck, I was even treated respectfully in Tel Aviv airport and they were armed with assault rifles!

I wish our TSA was even remotely as well trained as the security at Tel Aviv.  And I'd gladly pay a surcharge well over and above the current illusion of security fee we already pay for that level of security.

[Cruzaholic41]

2 minutes ago, ducklite said:

I don't address them as sir or ma'am.  Why should I?  They aren't a judge.  

 

Um, because “sir” or “ma’am” are common courtesy greetings. But by your posts, it’s obvious that common courtesy is not part of your repertoire. 

[ducklite]

Just now, Cruzaholic41 said:

Um, because “sir” or “ma’am” are common courtesy greetings. But by your posts, it’s obvious that common courtesy is not part of your repertoire. 

It's a regional thing.  In most of the country,  sir and ma'am are reserved for people like judges.

[Cruzaholic41]

1 minute ago, ducklite said:

It's a regional thing.  In most of the country,  sir and ma'am are reserved for people like judges.

Most of the country?  That is an absolutely absurd statement and not even remotely true. 

[navybankerteacher]

2 minutes ago, ducklite said:

It's a regional thing.  In most of the country,  sir and ma'am are reserved for people like judges.

Not in parts of central Florida - like “Near Orlando”, or most other parts of the South, or the rest of the US I’ve visited.

[ducklite]

1 minute ago, Cruzaholic41 said:

Most of the country?  That is an absolutely absurd statement and not even remotely true. 

A good part of it.  People on the west coast and northeast, and I'd even say most of the northern midwest no not use "sir" and "Ma'am" like people in the southeast and southern midwest do.

[Aquahound]

4 minutes ago, ducklite said:

I wish our TSA was even remotely as well trained as the security at Tel Aviv.  And I'd gladly pay a surcharge well over and above the current illusion of security fee we already pay for that level of security.

 

I will agree with you on that one.  But in this day and age where people can successfully have police officers removed from a coffee shop because they are offended by the guns, the wave of complaints at TSA would be far greater than it is today.  We have too many people nowadays who just can't handle life's realities, let alone a TSA agent toting an M4.  

[ldubs]

12 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

 

Of course, you have to understand how annoying it must be for them to be even spoken to (much less directed by) low characters they see as “smurfs” and “burger flippers”.

 

I always thought that toffy nosed attitude was an act for the forums.  But who knows.   

[navybankerteacher]

3 minutes ago, ducklite said:

A good part of it.  People on the west coast and northeast, and I'd even say most of the northern midwest no not use "sir" and "Ma'am" like people in the southeast and southern midwest do.

I guess you do not feel that New York, Massachussettts , New Hampshire or Connecticut (where I have lived and heard such terms frequently used) are in the northeast.