yorkshirephil Posted December 20, 2020 #11051 Share Posted December 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: It is and this year is special. Jupiter and Saturn rising can be seen with the naked eye for the first time since the Middle Ages. The conjunction happens quite regular, it is just a bit closer tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted December 20, 2020 #11052 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Eglesbrech said: Much of the spread is not actually people behaving badly (though there are some selfish idiots out there doing stupid things of course). People have to have health care, have go to work, have to food shop, schools etc. The business of even very careful daily life spreads this virus. If that was how people actually did act during the covid restrictions then I would agree with you, however, surely you must have seen the stupid actions in England during and after the first lockdown, and even more so since yesterday. Avril 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted December 20, 2020 #11053 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Much of the spread is not actually people behaving badly (though there are some selfish idiots out there doing stupid things of course). People have to have health care, have go to work, have to food shop, schools etc. The business of even very careful daily life spreads this virus. Exactly. And until we get a sufficiently high proportion of the population vaccinated, with a sufficiently effective vaccine, not a lot changes - except that you’d hope to see the rates of infection and pressures on the NHS falling again. Edited December 20, 2020 by Harry Peterson 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted December 20, 2020 #11054 Share Posted December 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: I thought the Winter Solstice (shortest day) was 21st December this year. Avril Winter solstice 2020 in Northern Hemisphere will be at 10:02 UK time on Monday, 21 December 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 20, 2020 #11055 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: It is and this year is special. Jupiter and Saturn rising can be seen with the naked eye for the first time since the Middle Ages. I have been logging the sunrise/sunset times for the last few days, better than talking to the furniture Thursday - 07.58/15.50 Friday - 07.59/15.50 Saturday - 07.59/15.51 Today - 08.00/15.51 Tomorrow - hope so The sunrise/sunsets are not symmetrical around noon GMT so I looked it up and now have brain strain. GMT is Greenwich MEAN Time and you need a good sundial for local noon. Apparently it is because the Earths orbit around the Sun is an ellipse not a circle so its speed increases and decreases as the months go by. It gets really complicated after that 😵 That black cat could not get through the fence and it was not happy because its tail was thrashing around, probably not helped by the magpie the other side which I am convinced was taunting it. 😁 It is now 2-1 to the cat, I am catching up 😈 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted December 20, 2020 #11056 Share Posted December 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Much of the spread is not actually people behaving badly (though there are some selfish idiots out there doing stupid things of course). People have to have health care, have go to work, have to food shop, schools etc. The business of even very careful daily life spreads this virus. Thaks. I think my middle daughter and her husband in London both have it (awaiting test results, but have all the symptoms). If so, the only place she's been is one day in the office about 2 weeks ago (no option), 5 days before first symptoms appeared. Her husband got it 4 days later, thus caught it from her. Graham caught it during an eye procedure in hospital. I'm not sure what any of these people could have done to avoid getting it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted December 20, 2020 #11057 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: If that was how people actually did act during the covid restrictions then I would agree with you, however, surely you must have seen the stupid actions in England during and after the first lockdown, and even more so since yesterday. Avril Yes I did see them and these are some the idiots I was referring to. There are many examples of idiots. I do however feel that the silent majority are all doing the right thing. All of my family and friends have, we follow the rules. My neighbours do, no people round except the odd coffee, in the garden in the cold. Some of those who follow the rules and indeed contribute to society in very positive ways get the virus by just doing their job. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted December 20, 2020 #11058 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Some of those who follow the rules and indeed contribute to society in very positive ways get the virus by just doing their job. Indeed so. Two of the cases in our village are good people who put themselves out delivering food etc to the elderly, and my son’s fiancée caught it as a hospital consultant. Unavoidable - though of course it’s made even worse by the fools we all see, unwittingly spreading it to the sensible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert2251 Posted December 20, 2020 #11059 Share Posted December 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Eddie99 said: It’s the shortest day everyone. Here, at least, it’s a lovely day Me beginning of the end, let’s cope with 25 December (it’s only a date) and let’s look towards the longest day, in 6 months time, and to us all seeing a positive future Ho hum Keep smiling. Be happy with what you have; don’t make it worthless grieving for what you haven’t Was I complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted December 20, 2020 #11060 Share Posted December 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, kalos said: Winter solstice 2020 in Northern Hemisphere will be at 10:02 UK time on Monday, 21 December Ooh, somebody's been Googling. 😉 Avril 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare P&O SUE Posted December 20, 2020 #11061 Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Yes I did see them and these are some the idiots I was referring to. There are many examples of idiots. I do however feel that the silent majority are all doing the right thing. All of my family and friends have, we follow the rules. My neighbours do, no people round except the odd coffee, in the garden in the cold. Some of those who follow the rules and indeed contribute to society in very positive ways get the virus by just doing their job. I agree it’s very quiet round here and all the friends I talk to are doing the right things and many planning a much smaller Christmas than people were “allowed”. I’m actually horrified when I see things like the London train pictures. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted December 20, 2020 #11062 Share Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, AnnieC said: Thaks. I think my middle daughter and her husband in London both have it (awaiting test results, but have all the symptoms). If so, the only place she's been is one day in the office about 2 weeks ago (no option), 5 days before first symptoms appeared. Her husband got it 4 days later, thus caught it from her. Graham caught it during an eye procedure in hospital. I'm not sure what any of these people could have done to avoid getting it. I hope your daughter and son in law get over it quickly, younger people usually do thankfully. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare P&O SUE Posted December 20, 2020 #11063 Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Rupert2251 said: My favourite was Hayley Tamaddon, her Jai Ho was simply wonderful! Yes she was good too. I actually went to see the Tour at the O2 the year she won. So I saw her perform Jai Ho and luckily for me Ray Quinn was there too. Torvill and Dean also performed so it was a great show! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted December 20, 2020 #11064 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Adawn47 said: I saw a short clip this morning of the mass migration at London train stations, and then they wonder why this virus is still spreading!!!! Honestly, I give up😲 Avril I saw that as well Avril, but can’t help but feel that it might be a bit of press over exaggeration, a bit like the summer beach scenes where low down panned shots made it look like everyone was cheek by jowl, yet overhead drone shots showed a very different picture of people in spaced family groups. I have been to St Pancras International dozens of times, and it is packed at the best of times, let alone the Saturday before Christmas when thousands of foreign nationals will be heading home for Christmas. The area shown looked like Eurostar services to me, not the relatively few domestic services that go from there so, again, the ‘spreading it around the U.K.’ headline doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. For that story to have credibility, I would love to know how many ‘walk up’ tickets were sold during Saturday evening. I would put money on the fact that the vast majority of people in those shots had tickets that they had purchased in advance of the announcement. I should imagine that most services out of that station were sold out so, in many cases, walk up tickets wouldn’t have been an option anyway.. Doubtless some people would have packed a bag immediately after the announcement and headed off early for where they were planning on going next week (by car, train or whatever) but I can’t help but feel that this might be another case of the press not letting the facts get in the way of a good headline! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare P&O SUE Posted December 20, 2020 #11065 Share Posted December 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, AnnieC said: Thaks. I think my middle daughter and her husband in London both have it (awaiting test results, but have all the symptoms). If so, the only place she's been is one day in the office about 2 weeks ago (no option), 5 days before first symptoms appeared. Her husband got it 4 days later, thus caught it from her. Graham caught it during an eye procedure in hospital. I'm not sure what any of these people could have done to avoid getting it. Hope they are all ok and recover well if they do have it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnieC Posted December 20, 2020 #11066 Share Posted December 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: I hope your daughter and son in law get over it quickly, younger people usually do thankfully. Many thanks - they already seem to be getting better rather than worse - both in their 30s, fit and healthy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann141 Posted December 20, 2020 #11067 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, zap99 said: I didn't plan to, but if you tell me the answer I might🤣 Of course I will tell you the answer.... as long as you give me the prize if you win!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted December 20, 2020 #11068 Share Posted December 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Selbourne said: I saw that as well Avril, but can’t help but feel that it might be a bit of press over exaggeration, a bit like the summer beach scenes The one I saw was filmed on a mobile phone and was taken looking down from the platform above. Avril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare P&O SUE Posted December 20, 2020 #11069 Share Posted December 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Selbourne said: I saw that as well Avril, but can’t help but feel that it might be a bit of press over exaggeration, a bit like the summer beach scenes where low down panned shots made it look like everyone was cheek by jowl, yet overhead drone shots showed a very different picture of people in spaced family groups. I have been to St Pancras International dozens of times, and it is packed at the best of times, let alone the Saturday before Christmas when thousands of foreign nationals will be heading home for Christmas. The area shown looked like Eurostar services to me, not the relatively few domestic services that go from there so, again, the ‘spreading it around the U.K.’ headline doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. For that story to have credibility, I would love to know how many ‘walk up’ tickets were sold during Saturday evening. I would put money on the fact that the vast majority of people in those shots had tickets that they had purchased in advance of the announcement. I should imagine that most services out of that station were sold out so, in many cases, walk up tickets wouldn’t have been an option anyway.. Doubtless some people would have packed a bag immediately after the announcement and headed off early for where they were planning on going next week (by car, train or whatever) but I can’t help but feel that this might be another case of the press not letting the facts get in the way of a good headline! I must admit I did wonder. There were loads of photos in Liverpool when they were first put in tier 3. I know people in Liverpool and they said that was the student quarter and they were all students not the local people. I had seen a news report with a reporter standing in the centre of town and it was empty, so a picture isn’t always what it seems. I went to a few coastal areas in the summer and because I know the quiet places they were quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 20, 2020 #11070 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I just checked out Jupiter and Saturn, low down in the south West. Even with my 8x30 binoculars Jupiter's disk is plainly visible. The fainter Saturn is at 11 o'clock. If the sky is clear tomorrow night I will try my field scope, that goes up to 45 X magnification 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann141 Posted December 20, 2020 #11071 Share Posted December 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Yes I did see them and these are some the idiots I was referring to. There are many examples of idiots. I do however feel that the silent majority are all doing the right thing. All of my family and friends have, we follow the rules. My neighbours do, no people round except the odd coffee, in the garden in the cold. Some of those who follow the rules and indeed contribute to society in very positive ways get the virus by just doing their job. My brother in law and his wife have covid at the moment and Tim is sure he caught it at the hospital where he is a consultant.My nephew who is a paramedic knows quite a few of his colleagues who have caught the virus too. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted December 20, 2020 #11072 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Friends have a dilemma for xmas day. All 3 of the family at home have had Covid a couple of months ago. Their daughter, son in law and grandson were going to visit on xmas evening so the little lad could get his presents so medically there is no risk, but ethically? Edited December 20, 2020 by davecttr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted December 20, 2020 #11073 Share Posted December 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, AnnieC said: Thaks. I think my middle daughter and her husband in London both have it (awaiting test results, but have all the symptoms). If so, the only place she's been is one day in the office about 2 weeks ago (no option), 5 days before first symptoms appeared. Her husband got it 4 days later, thus caught it from her. Graham caught it during an eye procedure in hospital. I'm not sure what any of these people could have done to avoid getting it. Annie. I'm so sorry to hear your middle daughter and her husband might have caught Covid19. I sincerely hope their covid19 is mild and they don't have to go to hospital and if they do it is only for a short time. Very best wishes to you and your family. Stay safe. Graham x. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted December 20, 2020 #11074 Share Posted December 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, ann141 said: My brother in law and his wife have covid at the moment and Tim is sure he caught it at the hospital where he is a consultant.My nephew who is a paramedic knows quite a few of his colleagues who have caught the virus too. Sending best wishes for all your family who have covid19 and hope they all make a quick and full recovery. Graham. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted December 20, 2020 #11075 Share Posted December 20, 2020 On a lighter note the house smells nice right now. I have been making mulled wine, home made is much nicer than the sugar loaded bottles from supermarkets. I made a batch of syrup from fresh spices and orange and use a decent red wine and some port. The smell is almost as good as the wine! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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