BigAl94 Posted September 25, 2020 #201 Share Posted September 25, 2020 No link just info I was given but as always hard to verify. I was told she will head to India then on to S Korea. We'll just have to wait and see if it's that or Aliaga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted September 26, 2020 #202 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, BigAl94 said: Carnival Fascination is just leaving Cadiz, apparently heading to new owners in South Korea. wow interesting Edited September 26, 2020 by roeco9084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare foodsvcmgr Posted September 26, 2020 #203 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Having some balcony cabins would make her more marketable for further service as opposed to the 5 ships already at Aliaga, so she might just escape "death". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted September 26, 2020 #204 Share Posted September 26, 2020 16 hours ago, BigAl94 said: Carnival Fascination is just leaving Cadiz, apparently heading to new owners in South Korea. 15 hours ago, shof515 said: who is the new owners? Curious as well- who would buy that piece of junk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted September 26, 2020 #205 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, xDisconnections said: who would buy that piece of junk? At least one 1980's cruise ship has been sold as temporary worker housing . I couldn't find the name, but it was sold go a Turkish company. Not worth anything but scrap price in the cruise industry, but as portable quarters in port areas, interesting idea. Edited September 26, 2020 by mtnesterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7786W Flyer Posted September 26, 2020 #206 Share Posted September 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, mtnesterz said: At least one 1980's cruise ship has been sold as temporary worker housing . I couldn't find the name, but it was sold go a Turkish company. Not worth anything but scrap price in the cruise industry, but as portable quarters in port areas, interesting idea. I think you may be referring to the Black Watch and Boudicca of Fred Olsen Cruises. FOC announced yesterday that both ships had been sold to a Turkish entity for use as accommodation vessels. In their announcement, FOC said: 'Following the recent announcement that Black Watch and Boudicca are retired from our fleet, we can announce that both ships have now been sold and will begin a new life as accommodation vessels for a company in Turkey. We expect that the ships will set sail soon, with Boudicca due to leave Rosyth for the final time as early as next week, and Black Watch to follow. The crew are hard at work preparing them for their journeys and ensuring that that they are ready for their new home. Both Black Watch and Boudicca have served us extremely well during their time with us, and we know that their new owners will be as proud of them as we have been. We are delighted that they will stay together, and will continue to be used and loved in the future. We're sure you will join us in wishing them a very fond farewell, and happy travels ahead!' Both ships were originally built for the Royal Viking Line back in the 1970's as the Royal Viking Star (1971) and Royal Viking Sky (1973). Garnett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted September 26, 2020 #207 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, xDisconnections said: Curious as well- who would buy that piece of junk? Im pretty sure she's in comparable condition to the other 4 fantasty class ships(outside appearance means nothing paint will fix)...as she had pretty much the same upgrades as the other exisitng ones. Not sure if their were other reasons Carnival choose the other 4 vs her. Its too bad she wouldnt fit into Palm Beach she would be a good addition to Bahamas Paradise to replace the Grand Celebration. Edited September 26, 2020 by roeco9084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted September 26, 2020 #208 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, roeco9084 said: Im pretty sure she's in comparable condition to the other 4 fantasty class ships(outside appearance means nothing paint will fix)...as she had pretty much the same upgrades as the other exisitng ones. Not sure if their were other reasons Carnival choose the other 4 vs her. Its too bad she wouldnt fit into Palm Beach she would be a good addition to Bahamas Paradise to replace the Grand Celebration. It's a rust bucket that should be scrapped along with the other Fantasy class ships still in existence. Edited September 26, 2020 by xDisconnections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted September 26, 2020 #209 Share Posted September 26, 2020 13 hours ago, xDisconnections said: Curious as well- who would buy that piece of junk? Last thing I saw shows she had been sold to undisclosed buyers. When other 3 were sold said sold for scrapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted September 26, 2020 #210 Share Posted September 26, 2020 4 hours ago, roeco9084 said: Im pretty sure she's in comparable condition to the other 4 fantasty class ships(outside appearance means nothing paint will fix)...as she had pretty much the same upgrades as the other exisitng ones. Not sure if their were other reasons Carnival choose the other 4 vs her. Its too bad she wouldnt fit into Palm Beach she would be a good addition to Bahamas Paradise to replace the Grand Celebration. The primary reason Fascination got the boot was that she needed a routine drydock this year. Presuming Carnival got more than the roughly $7 Million scrap value her sisters got, that's likely a $20-$25 Million net pickup from avoiding the dry dock and selling the ship. The new owner can then make the necessary hotel refurbishments when the engine, hull, and propellor are serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmwnc1959 Posted September 28, 2020 #211 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Don’t know if this already posted elsewhere... some nice aerial drone footage of the five ships in Aliaga... https://7news.com.au/travel/inside-the-cruise-ship-graveyard-where-luxury-liners-are-broken-up-for-scrap-c-1348372.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRockCruiser Posted September 29, 2020 #212 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 hours ago, dmwnc1959 said: Don’t know if this already posted elsewhere... some nice aerial drone footage of the five ships in Aliaga... https://7news.com.au/travel/inside-the-cruise-ship-graveyard-where-luxury-liners-are-broken-up-for-scrap-c-1348372.amp I know it is inevitable for every ship, and all of those ships were doomed to visit soon enough, but it is still sad to see it all stripped away, literally layer by layer. And I really wish there was a website selling all the trinkets from the ship! Well, I don't need my own onboard loo! But the paraphernalia from the bars and other small "nautical-themed" things could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quattrohead Posted September 29, 2020 #213 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Someone with time and money will go and fill a few containers I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7786W Flyer Posted September 29, 2020 #214 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, quattrohead said: Someone with time and money will go and fill a few containers I am sure. In years gone past, Peter Knego used to go to Alang and literally procure container loads of "trinkets" and send them back to the US for resale. Here's his website https://www.midshipcentury.com/shop Having said that, he usually was focused on the former liners of a different era and I don't envision him showing much interest in either Carnival's or RCCL's former ships that are currently beached. Garnett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted September 29, 2020 #215 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, dmwnc1959 said: Don’t know if this already posted elsewhere... some nice aerial drone footage of the five ships in Aliaga... https://7news.com.au/travel/inside-the-cruise-ship-graveyard-where-luxury-liners-are-broken-up-for-scrap-c-1348372.amp Good stuff! Thanks for sharing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted September 29, 2020 #216 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/26/2020 at 3:37 PM, tidecat said: The primary reason Fascination got the boot was that she needed a routine drydock this year. Presuming Carnival got more than the roughly $7 Million scrap value her sisters got, that's likely a $20-$25 Million net pickup from avoiding the dry dock and selling the ship. The new owner can then make the necessary hotel refurbishments when the engine, hull, and propellor are serviced. Does it really cost that much to go into drydock? I would assume not every drydock is the same $$! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted September 30, 2020 #217 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, roeco9084 said: Does it really cost that much to go into drydock? I would assume not every drydock is the same $$! All of the recent drydockd are touted by Carnival as "multimillion dollar" even if there aren't significant hotel refurbishments. I'm assuming thr drydock would run about $10 Million to do the hull, propellor, and engine work, and even just minimal hotel maintenace (like replace carpet, tile, etc.). Based on the Holland America sale to Fred Olsen, each of the ships were about $14 Million. The ships sold for scrap were about $7 Million, so around $10 Million would be a safe estimate. $10 Million of expense avoided and $10 Million of sale proceeds would be $20 Million. Even just to keep the ship running for another 2 months to get to the drydock would be around another $2 Million - and that's assuming it can happen in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 30, 2020 #218 Share Posted September 30, 2020 8 hours ago, tidecat said: All of the recent drydockd are touted by Carnival as "multimillion dollar" even if there aren't significant hotel refurbishments. I'm assuming thr drydock would run about $10 Million to do the hull, propellor, and engine work, and even just minimal hotel maintenace (like replace carpet, tile, etc.). Based on the Holland America sale to Fred Olsen, each of the ships were about $14 Million. The ships sold for scrap were about $7 Million, so around $10 Million would be a safe estimate. $10 Million of expense avoided and $10 Million of sale proceeds would be $20 Million. Even just to keep the ship running for another 2 months to get to the drydock would be around another $2 Million - and that's assuming it can happen in November. You are missing the point. When would those particular ships resume cruising? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted September 30, 2020 #219 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) From earlier posts: Marinetraffic still shows the Fascination at anchor in Cadiz today. 23 hours ago, ProgRockCruiser said: And I really wish there was a website selling all the trinkets from the ship!...But the paraphernalia from the bars and other small "nautical-themed" things could be interesting. Small items would be interesting, but I wonder what a tender/lifeboat would sell for. They're fiberglass so no scrap value. Party boat. Edited September 30, 2020 by mtnesterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted October 1, 2020 #220 Share Posted October 1, 2020 23 hours ago, tidecat said: All of the recent drydockd are touted by Carnival as "multimillion dollar" even if there aren't significant hotel refurbishments. I'm assuming thr drydock would run about $10 Million to do the hull, propellor, and engine work, and even just minimal hotel maintenace (like replace carpet, tile, etc.). Based on the Holland America sale to Fred Olsen, each of the ships were about $14 Million. The ships sold for scrap were about $7 Million, so around $10 Million would be a safe estimate. $10 Million of expense avoided and $10 Million of sale proceeds would be $20 Million. Even just to keep the ship running for another 2 months to get to the drydock would be around another $2 Million - and that's assuming it can happen in November. Would be interesting to know how much Fred Olsen sold the Black Watch and Bouddica for I would assume above their scrap values..but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted October 1, 2020 #221 Share Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 5:15 PM, roeco9084 said: Does it really cost that much to go into drydock? I would assume not every drydock is the same $$! One thing that puzzles me since the Marella Celebration and Horizon are sold for scrap and waiting it out in cold lay up at Eleusis til theirs room, why would The Fascination sit at Cadiz for 2 months instead of going to Eleusis too? Im sure Cadiz wasnt cheap to dock at. Im assuming its quite inexpensive to lay a ship up at anchor at Eleusis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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