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6 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I'm not sure you need any cards, I suspect that you'll continue with the same testing protocol for a while.  But if the crew is vaccinated, the ship will be "clean" at the beginning of every voyage.  If the old folks are vaccinated and begin to cruise again because they no longer fear the disease, cruising will become revitalized very soon.  I suspect we'll have the mask rules and social distancing for at least the next year.  Once you've been vaccinated you won't fear every person you see.

Why on earth do you presume that cruise ship crew will have a priority on vaccine?  Or indeed the elderly - healthcare workers and shielding vulnerable will surely be the first priority.

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Just now, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I'm not sure you need any cards, I suspect that you'll continue with the same testing protocol for a while.  But if the crew is vaccinated, the ship will be "clean" at the beginning of every voyage.  If the old folks are vaccinated and begin to cruise again because they no longer fear the disease, cruising will become revitalized very soon.  I suspect we'll have the mask rules and social distancing for at least the next year.  Once you've been vaccinated you won't fear every person you see.

Well, I guess what I am saying is that cruises usually have people from different countries.  I can't think of a single cruise where I haven't seen someone from europe or asia.  So it might be a good idea to create some type of international form of vaccination card or are they only going to allow americans on cruises in america until the virus is gone?

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5 minutes ago, cscurlock said:

Well, I guess what I am saying is that cruises usually have people from different countries.  I can't think of a single cruise where I haven't seen someone from europe or asia.  So it might be a good idea to create some type of international form of vaccination card or are they only going to allow americans on cruises in america until the virus is gone?

 

I guess that's we have different perspectives.  Even after people are vaccinated I think we will still maintain travel restrictions between countries.  I suspect that people will still need to isolate for 2 weeks after international travel for at least the next year.

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9 minutes ago, BigAl94 said:

Why on earth do you presume that cruise ship crew will have a priority on vaccine?  Or indeed the elderly - healthcare workers and shielding vulnerable will surely be the first priority.

 

 I think any worker that has a lot of contact with the public will be among the first to be vaccinated.   On-board cruise ship crew is really a small number but could help save a lot of the travel industry.

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1 minute ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I guess that's we have different perspectives.  Even after people are vaccinated I think we will still maintain travel restrictions between countries.  I suspect that people will still need to isolate for 2 weeks after international travel for at least the next year.

I guess that depends, can you get the virus and transmit it even thought your technically immune.  I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.  If you have a vaccination you should be safe to travel.  I mean you can wear a mask as a precaution but what else would be needed?

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13 minutes ago, cscurlock said:

Well, I guess what I am saying is that cruises usually have people from different countries.  I can't think of a single cruise where I haven't seen someone from europe or asia.  So it might be a good idea to create some type of international form of vaccination card or are they only going to allow americans on cruises in america until the virus is gone?

This, the WHO IVC (International Vaccination Certificate), or "Yellow Card" has been around for decades, and each country issues one or uses the WHO's version.  In the US, it is form CDC 731, and can record all vaccinations and prophylaxis received.

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7 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

 I think any worker that has a lot of contact with the public will be among the first to be vaccinated.   On-board cruise ship crew is really a small number but could help save a lot of the travel industry.

 

Based on recommendations of a federal advisory committee, if vaccine supply is limited the following groups would be the first to receive it:

 

  • Healthcare personnel
  • Workers in essential and critical industries
  • People at high risk for severe COVID-19 disease due to underlying medical conditions
  • People 65 years and older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations-process.html

 

As cruising is definitely NOT considered an essential or critical industry, I do not think crew members will get any special priority access to the vaccine. However, those 65 and older, being at much greater risk if infected, will be among the first groups.

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8 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

This, the WHO IVC (International Vaccination Certificate), or "Yellow Card" has been around for decades, and each country issues one or uses the WHO's version.  In the US, it is form CDC 731, and can record all vaccinations and prophylaxis received.

You mean the WHO we left earlier this year?   Probably will change but yeah I agree something like that would do it.

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20 minutes ago, cscurlock said:

You mean the WHO we left earlier this year?   Probably will change but yeah I agree something like that would do it.

Doesn't matter whether we are in WHO or not, the CDC issues their own form, which is recognized around the world.

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1 hour ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

Based on recommendations of a federal advisory committee, if vaccine supply is limited the following groups would be the first to receive it:

 

  • Healthcare personnel
  • Workers in essential and critical industries
  • People at high risk for severe COVID-19 disease due to underlying medical conditions
  • People 65 years and older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations-process.html

 

As cruising is definitely NOT considered an essential or critical industry, I do not think crew members will get any special priority access to the vaccine. However, those 65 and older, being at much greater risk if infected, will be among the first groups.

 

I guess we'll need to wait and see if transportation workers are considered essential.  My guess is that all transportation workers, pilots, truck drivers and on-board ship crew will be considered essential.

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1 hour ago, cscurlock said:

I guess that depends, can you get the virus and transmit it even thought your technically immune.  I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.  If you have a vaccination you should be safe to travel.  I mean you can wear a mask as a precaution but what else would be needed?

 

Yes, even people that have been vaccinated will still need to wear a mask because the rest of the population won't know that you've been vaccinated.  This will save a lot of confusion.  For example, even people that have been infected and survived Covid still need to wear masks in public.

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1 hour ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

Based on recommendations of a federal advisory committee, if vaccine supply is limited the following groups would be the first to receive it:

 

  • Healthcare personnel
  • Workers in essential and critical industries
  • People at high risk for severe COVID-19 disease due to underlying medical conditions
  • People 65 years and older

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations-process.html

 

As cruising is definitely NOT considered an essential or critical industry, I do not think crew members will get any special priority access to the vaccine. However, those 65 and older, being at much greater risk if infected, will be among the first groups.

The idea that international crew who are not allowed to work in the US would have any priority on being vaccinated is folly and would be political suicide in the US.  Am sure the cruise lines will arrange for vaccine for crew members and administer the vaccine on board.  Surely they can arrange for vaccine in the many countries they operate.

While transportation workers are considered essential the rules certainly do not apply to cruise ships as those people do not work in the US.

As was said the WHO and CDC both have vaccination records that are accepted in almost every country that requires specific immunizations or vaccinations.  CDC cards common where I live.

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Remember that even if you are vaccinated doesn't guarantee that you aren't covid positive unless it is 100% effective which I think we can all agree it will not be.   Yes it is important to reduce the number of people who can be infected but will not be a "golden ticket".

 

I already carry the yellow CDC card with me when I travel.

 

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43 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I guess we'll need to wait and see if transportation workers are considered essential.  My guess is that all transportation workers, pilots, truck drivers and on-board ship crew will be considered essential.

Ships' crews - yes.

Cruise ships' crews - no.

 

There is nothing essential about cruising.

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10 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

Ships' crews - yes.

Cruise ships' crews - no.

 

There is nothing essential about cruising.

 

Thanks for being the final authority.  We'll see. There's a part of the country that depends on travel and thinks the cruise industry is essential.

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6 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Agree with your concerns about staffing.  That's why I am calling this brainstorming - all opinions appreciated.  Unfortunately I think the virus will be with us and the cruise industry much longer than 1-2 years from now.😟

I think it is very likely that you are right about the virus being with us for many years.  I could hope otherwise, but.....At the same time, I hope with a stronger degree of positivity that within 2 years there will be a reasonably effective vaccine that will be 50-70% effective and reduce intensity of the virus if caught, as well as maybe some much better treatments. 

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19 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Thanks for being the final authority.  We'll see. There's a part of the country that depends on travel and thinks the cruise industry is essential.

There's certainly a part of me that would absolutely love to agree with you.  Unfortunately I don't.  Yes, there are many in the US who benefit from the cruise industry but in the scheme of things not enough to rock the boat if you'll excuse the metaphor.  There is no way a vacation industry will be considered essential IMHO, particularly one that has avoided paying taxes and following US laws by registering in other countries.  I've seen and read a number of suggested phased approaches to distribution, and not one of them even mentions the travel industry.  You could get around that argument by saying the industry falls into the description of essential but as I stated before I seriously doubt that will be the case.  We'll all know when we know, but that's my opinion.

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2 hours ago, cscurlock said:

I guess that depends, can you get the virus and transmit it even thought your technically immune.  I guess we will cross that bridge when we get to it.  If you have a vaccination you should be safe to travel.  I mean you can wear a mask as a precaution but what else would be needed?

Keep in mind that the current batch of clinical trials are based upon symptoms.  They do not look at asymptomatic infections or if someone that is vaccinated can still carry and shed the virus.

 

Without that using vaccination status as a mechanism for travel will be limited.

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5 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

There's certainly a part of me that would absolutely love to agree with you.  Unfortunately I don't.  Yes, there are many in the US who benefit from the cruise industry but in the scheme of things not enough to rock the boat if you'll excuse the metaphor.  There is no way a vacation industry will be considered essential IMHO, particularly one that has avoided paying taxes and following US laws by registering in other countries.  I've seen and read a number of suggested phased approaches to distribution, and not one of them even mentions the travel industry.  You could get around that argument by saying the industry falls into the description of essential but as I stated before I seriously doubt that will be the case.  We'll all know when we know, but that's my opinion.

 

I think you need to consider more than the the actual cruise line.  There's the airlines, the hotels in the port cities, the taxis, the gift shops. the restaurants, etc.  The companies that support the port operations.  That's a lot of people.  Those people are hurting.  They will revive the cruise industry to help them, not because you or I want to cruise.

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8 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

There's certainly a part of me that would absolutely love to agree with you.  Unfortunately I don't.  Yes, there are many in the US who benefit from the cruise industry but in the scheme of things not enough to rock the boat if you'll excuse the metaphor.  There is no way a vacation industry will be considered essential IMHO, particularly one that has avoided paying taxes and following US laws by registering in other countries.  I've seen and read a number of suggested phased approaches to distribution, and not one of them even mentions the travel industry.  You could get around that argument by saying the industry falls into the description of essential but as I stated before I seriously doubt that will be the case.  We'll all know when we know, but that's my opinion.

Even in Florida the economic impact of the cruise industry according to a report on Florida Ports is only about 10% of the cargo industry and the percentage of Florida overall tourism impact that is due to the cruise industry is about 8.5% of Florida's tourism industry.  So while there is an impact related to the cruise industry being shut down, it is a fraction of the value of the rest of port operations (cargo) and of the rest of Florida's tourism industry.

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22 minutes ago, nocl said:

Even in Florida the economic impact of the cruise industry according to a report on Florida Ports is only about 10% of the cargo industry and the percentage of Florida overall tourism impact that is due to the cruise industry is about 8.5% of Florida's tourism industry.  So while there is an impact related to the cruise industry being shut down, it is a fraction of the value of the rest of port operations (cargo) and of the rest of Florida's tourism industry.

Non-essential in any way shape or form

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25 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

You obviously aren't part of the 8.5% in Fort Lauderdale and Miami that are not working.  8.5% of a huge travel industry is a lot of people.

You are correct I am not.  That said cruising is still non-essential, it is an option/luxury as a means of vacation.  I wish everyone was working, but again, filling the non-essential cruise ships with goods, scanning our bar codes, checking our passports...is still non-essential.

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