Vaccine side effects & allergies

[ColoradoMom!!]

3 hours ago, Kamloops50 said:

My wife's worked for the US Military in Bedford Mass during that period. He got the swine flu vaccine and within 72 hours he was put on a ventilator .

Interesting!!

My father was stationed at Hanscom AFB in Bedford in 1976. Was that where your wife’s relative was? We moved in October of that year, and I don’t recall if we got the vaccine. 

[gmjc2]

13 hours ago, TeaBag said:

We are hearing that people with autoimmune diseases should not have the Pfizer vaccine.  This is a huge disappointment to us.

It is the opposite. Those ( like myself) are the most vulnerable to the virus. The two vaccines available now do not have live virus so would not be a problem for people like myself.

[HappyInVan]

It is important to note that the FDA's decision to approve the Pfizer vaccine has not based on political bias or the whims of a king. The decision was made by a panel of medical experts and specialists. Therefore, the members are able to freely dissent...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/dr-archana-chatterjee-explains-her-fda-panel-no-vote-on-pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

 

We know that kids below 16, pregnant women etc are not covered by the EUA. Therefore, even by late spring a large proportion of the population will not have been vaccinated. Will remain vulnerable...

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/b-c-baby-mother-coma-214836370.html

 

So, we need to continue to adhere to safety guidelines even if we have been vaccinated. Until the disease becomes endemic in status.

[Kamloops50]

12 hours ago, ColoradoMom!! said:

Interesting!!

My father was stationed at Hanscom AFB in Bedford in 1976. Was that where your wife’s relative was? We moved in October of that year, and I don’t recall if we got the vaccine. 

Dont remember the name of the base. He was doing research into the detection and analysing nuclear bombs that were being exploxed under ground.

[DrivesLikeMario]

On 12/10/2020 at 5:05 PM, dog said:

Saw couple on news who were in trial.  They also went and had antibodies test. Lady has antibodies, man had none. 

Yep because they're giving placebos in addition to the actual vaccine.  It's a double-blind study so the medical crew doesn't know who is getting what type of vaccine.  Believe me, I tried to get them to pick a "good" vaccine vs. the sugar-water one.  Obviously, it didn't work.  😉

[hobbyfarmer2]

On 12/10/2020 at 1:40 PM, Kamloops50 said:

We don't plan to take the vaccine until 12 to 18 months after they have done a most people.

We would only take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. The others use a Agevant Agent that is know to be problematic. In the 1970"s the Swine flu vaccine used an Agevant Agent . They pulled it off the market because a large percentage (5% large for a vaccine) ended up on a ventilator . My wife's was one who got the vaccine and ended up on a ward with other on a ventilator because of the vaccine.

I assume you mean an adjuvant.  Most vaccines have this added ingredient as they would hardly work at all without.  There are a variety of adjuvant from a rare tree bark extract to aluminum compounds that work to make vaccines effective.

[nocl]

12 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

It is important to note that the FDA's decision to approve the Pfizer vaccine has not based on political bias or the whims of a king. The decision was made by a panel of medical experts and specialists. Therefore, the members are able to freely dissent...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/dr-archana-chatterjee-explains-her-fda-panel-no-vote-on-pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

 

We know that kids below 16, pregnant women etc are not covered by the EUA. Therefore, even by late spring a large proportion of the population will not have been vaccinated. Will remain vulnerable...

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/b-c-baby-mother-coma-214836370.html

 

So, we need to continue to adhere to safety guidelines even if we have been vaccinated. Until the disease becomes endemic in status.

One clarification.  The Vaccines Advisory Committee did not make the decision.  It does not have the power or authority to make any decisions.  The VAC advises and recommends.  The FDA usually decides in agreement with the advice and will do so in this case.  However, there are times when the FDA will disagree with the advisory Committees recommendation and decide against that recommendation,

[mcrcruiser]

Reading all the posts before this [pst .it seems to us thatv there care pro people & con people 7 for their own good reasons . Each of us must decide for ourselves what is best & imo seeing your own doctor before making the major decision to take the  covid  vaccines or not is the best advise 

 

 It also seems to  me that there has been a huge focus on both the Pfizer vaxccine which is now apprived by the FDA & the Moderna vaccine which is right behind the pfizer vaccine .The difference e=we understand between the 2 are the Pfizer vaccine requires to be kept are very low sub zero temperatures   where the Moderna vaccine requires   general refrigeration . Both are 2 shot vaccines 

 

 The Johnson N Johnson vaccine is quite different in it is reported to require One Shot vs the 2 shot vaccines . Imo a one shot vaccine seems to be a better vaccine possibly than a 2 shot vaccine plus possibly less side effects . I do not have medical knowledge not laboratory expertise ;however , it seems to me that perhaps the one shot vs 2 shots could be better  for the patient  

 

 Even though we own a lot of Pfizer stock ,I would like the opportunity to weigh one company against the other & make our request for vaccination based upon our doctors advise & the FDA approvals 

 

 Cliff

[stevenr597]

On 12/9/2020 at 8:11 PM, Ombud said:

Supposedly people with allergies should not take vaccines. Does that include those with food allergies? I have a heightened sensitivity with capsaicin (throat swells up / difficulty breathing). Princess always handles my issue quite easily ..... wondering if I will still be allowed onboard IF I need to be vaccinated 

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth-55244122

I believe it applies to patient with Anaphylactoid or Nonn-IgE dependent allergic reactions.  Specifically patients who have a high index of severe reactions to medications.  Such patient if they receive the vaccine, probably should be administered the vaccine only in a medical setting that is equipped to recognize and treat anaphylactic reactions.

 

[stevenr597]

18 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

Reading all the posts before this [pst .it seems to us thatv there care pro people & con people 7 for their own good reasons . Each of us must decide for ourselves what is best & imo seeing your own doctor before making the major decision to take the  covid  vaccines or not is the best advise 

 

 It also seems to  me that there has been a huge focus on both the Pfizer vaxccine which is now apprived by the FDA & the Moderna vaccine which is right behind the pfizer vaccine .The difference e=we understand between the 2 are the Pfizer vaccine requires to be kept are very low sub zero temperatures   where the Moderna vaccine requires   general refrigeration . Both are 2 shot vaccines 

 

 The Johnson N Johnson vaccine is quite different in it is reported to require One Shot vs the 2 shot vaccines . Imo a one shot vaccine seems to be a better vaccine possibly than a 2 shot vaccine plus possibly less side effects . I do not have medical knowledge not laboratory expertise ;however , it seems to me that perhaps the one shot vs 2 shots could be better  for the patient  

 

 Even though we own a lot of Pfizer stock ,I would like the opportunity to weigh one company against the other & make our request for vaccination based upon our doctors advise & the FDA approvals 

 

 Cliff

I don’t believe we have seen the effectiveness as of yet with the one injection Johnson& Johnson Vaccine.  The Pfizer and Moderna Vaccine will produce an immunity of approximately 55% with one injection, over 90% with two.  The Modern Vaccine has to be refrigerated, not not to the sub zero temperatures of the Pfizer Vaccine.

Individuals who have had the Pfizer vaccine have reported some mild headaches and body aches for several days. 

[stevenr597]

On 12/11/2020 at 12:02 PM, HappyInVan said:

It is important to note that the FDA's decision to approve the Pfizer vaccine has not based on political bias or the whims of a king. The decision was made by a panel of medical experts and specialists. Therefore, the members are able to freely dissent...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/dr-archana-chatterjee-explains-her-fda-panel-no-vote-on-pfizer-covid-vaccine.html

 

We know that kids below 16, pregnant women etc are not covered by the EUA. Therefore, even by late spring a large proportion of the population will not have been vaccinated. Will remain vulnerable...

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/b-c-baby-mother-coma-214836370.html

 

So, we need to continue to adhere to safety guidelines even if we have been vaccinated. Until the disease becomes endemic in status.

I wish that were true with the FDA.  But being part of the government, they have, unfortunately become part of the political system.  While they do have many experts and in the end the usually make the right decision, the idea that they are apolitical is not true.  

Many individuals have the fear that these vaccine are “rushed”. The actual truth is that developments of a coronavirus vaccine with mRNA technology actually began during the administration of George Bush and continued under the previous immunization.  Funding of this development did increased drastically after we realized we were in a Pandemic.  

[caribill]

22 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

 

 The Johnson N Johnson vaccine is quite different in it is reported to require One Shot vs the 2 shot vaccines . Imo a one shot vaccine seems to be a better vaccine possibly than a 2 shot vaccine plus possibly less side effects . I do not have medical knowledge not laboratory expertise ;however , it seems to me that perhaps the one shot vs 2 shots could be better  for the patient  

 

 

 

JnJ has started testing using two doses. Pure speculation on my part, but it indicates to me that their single dose testing does not have the same effectiveness as the 2-dose Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

 

However,if I remember correctly, the temperature requirements for the JnJ vaccine can be satisfied with a regular refridgerator which makes their vaccine much more suitable for distribution in countries where sub-freezing storage is not readily available.