SAGA announces mandatory vacancies

[island lady]

3 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Well there you go, if you have the shot why are you even worried about if other people get it or not? 

 

Covid is dangerous and deadly in some people yes, mostly in certain demographics. No one is boarding any ships any time soon so there's still much time for things to play out. 

 

I still can't see any major Cruiselines not allowing kids or people with severe allergies to cruise. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but it's still a long long away away anyway. 

 

Having the vaccine is not 100%.  You can still get it, but just not as severe...so they think.  It is still too new, and not actually a guarantee.  Plus even at the guestimate of 98-94 percent coverage...there is still that 6 %.  If I had a 6% chance of winning the lotto..wow...would I feel lucky to have that much.  Kind of the other way around if it's "only 6%" chance of something you don't want to get.  

 

Bottom line is that if 100% of the passengers are vaccinated...that spread is considerably more contained.  It's the spread of the deadly disease that the CDC and the cruise lines are trying to contain.  

 

It is well within their rights to require vaccinations to cruise with them...and most likely that decision won't be RCI's anyway...with CDC most likely (IMHO) going to demand it.  CDC is not a fan of cruise lines.  Later, when the deadly disease has the "herd immunity" and the numbers are way down..then things may change.  Until then...

[island lady]

11 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

My parents are friends with a few Canadian Snowbirds who have already received their second doses in Southern Florida. 

 

They won't be able to do that now.  Florida has gotten wise to the obvious abuse.  Now you will need proof of Florida residency.  

 

Vaccines numbers were sent to Florida from the Feds (yes...U.S. government) according to Florida resident numbers.  Each non resident getting the vaccine, draws from those allocated vaccine numbers ..which is one more resident that doesn't have a chance to get one.  

[island lady]

12 minutes ago, sandebeach said:

I think the Governor was shocked when he found out what was actually happening. And people were posting photos on Instagram thanking the US for allowing them to get vaccinated!

 

Indeed abuse.  Try just deciding to drive over the boarder...there is a reason that is blocked and refused.  But there are those that feel they can just take advantage, and find ways to circumvent those rules.  Sad and selfish.  

[Ocean Boy]

37 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Well there you go, if you have the shot why are you even worried about if other people get it or not? 

 

Covid is dangerous and deadly in some people yes, mostly in certain demographics. No one is boarding any ships any time soon so there's still much time for things to play out. 

 

I still can't see any major Cruiselines not allowing kids or people with severe allergies to cruise. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but it's still a long long away away anyway. 

However, would you agree that the more people aboard the ship who are vaccinated the safer the environment would be? If a vaccine mandate would provide a safe enough environment that masks would not be necessary then I would probably fully support it... especially since I am not getting on a ship wearing masks. And the people who I have typically taken with me won't be going either.

 

A ship is a bit like a microcosm of the world. Eventually the time is going to come when those who can't, or won't, be vaccinated will have to find a way to protect themselves as it is unrealistic to expect that people are going to wear masks forever whenever they are someplace other than in their homes in order to help protect the non vaccinated as well as remain six feet away from every human who they are not related to. And I don't mean that to sound cold. The immuno compromised have always had the burden on themselves to find a way to safely navigate the world. The non vaccinated will have the same obligation. Go ahead and cruise if you want but don't expect everyone who decided to protect themselves with a vaccine to then protect you, too, my wearing a mask and avoid getting within six feet if you.

[Bobal]

I have to say I am shocked at the many posts I have read about 'vaccine tourism' and about hanging on the phone for hours in the hope of getting a vaccine slot in the US. We have many things for which we shouldn't be proud in the UK - not least the shocking death figures currently - but the way we are centrally managing vaccinations and the way they are being rolled out within set criteria is at least one thing we seem to be doing (almost) right.

 

I have recently recovered from Covid so apparently have around 5 months immunity (according to the latest research). However I am also confident that when my time comes I will be offered the vaccine in line with other people my age.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Bobal

[zap99]

3 hours ago, island lady said:

 

Same with mine.  The cards were already printed with the second appointment and first vaccine information.  I just had to write my name in.  

 

Seems to leave room for duplication and forgery.  Sad that some will do that to endanger others...very selfish.  

Yes very selfish, but aren't they mainly putting themselves at risk?. Either way there needs to be a system of verification.

[Mapleleafforever]

14 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Having the vaccine is not 100%.  You can still get it, but just not as severe...so they think.  It is still too new, and not actually a guarantee.  Plus even at the guestimate of 98-94 percent coverage...there is still that 6 %.  If I had a 6% chance of winning the lotto..wow...would I feel lucky to have that much.  Kind of the other way around if it's "only 6%" chance of something you don't want to get.  

 

Bottom line is that if 100% of the passengers are vaccinated...that spread is considerably more contained.  It's the spread of the deadly disease that the CDC and the cruise lines are trying to contain.  

 

It is well within their rights to require vaccinations to cruise with them...and most likely that decision won't be RCI's anyway...with CDC most likely (IMHO) going to demand it.  CDC is not a fan of cruise lines.  Later, when the deadly disease has the "herd immunity" and the numbers are way down..then things may change.  Until then...

Everything on here is merely speculation. We really have no idea what the Cruise lines or CDC will or will not mandate. We really have no idea if they'll continue will all the vaccinations as planned and could halt it one day soon (or later) for one reason or another, no one knows at the moment. As you said, it's all still too new. 

 

[Mapleleafforever]

13 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

They won't be able to do that now.  Florida has gotten wise to the obvious abuse.  Now you will need proof of Florida residency.  

 

Vaccines numbers were sent to Florida from the Feds (yes...U.S. government) according to Florida resident numbers.  Each non resident getting the vaccine, draws from those allocated vaccine numbers ..which is one more resident that doesn't have a chance to get one.  

It'll still happen, money talks. 

[Mapleleafforever]

10 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Indeed abuse.  Try just deciding to drive over the boarder...there is a reason that is blocked and refused.  But there are those that feel they can just take advantage, and find ways to circumvent those rules.  Sad and selfish.  

Land borders are closed, we can still fly to and from with ease.....

[island lady]

6 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

It'll still happen, money talks. 

 

And sadly selfish people will always be the ones that take...take....and take.  

[Mapleleafforever]

5 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

However, would you agree that the more people aboard the ship who are vaccinated the safer the environment would be? If a vaccine mandate would provide a safe enough environment that masks would not be necessary then I would probably fully support it... especially since I am not getting on a ship wearing masks. And the people who I have typically taken with me won't be going either.

 

A ship is a bit like a microcosm of the world. Eventually the time is going to come when those who can't, or won't, be vaccinated will have to find a way to protect themselves as it is unrealistic to expect that people are going to wear masks forever whenever they are someplace other than in their homes in order to help protect the non vaccinated as well as remain six feet away from every human who they are not related to. And I don't mean that to sound cold. The immuno compromised have always had burden on themselves to find a way to safely navigate the world. The non vaccinated will have the same obligation. Go ahead and cruise if you want but don't expect everyone who decided to protwct themselves with a vaccine to then protect you, too, my wearing a mask and avoid getting within six feet if you.

You have to keep in mind that I'm looking at this from the perspective of a mid 40's healthy person with no pre-existing conditions. I'm not so scared of Covid for myself or my wife and kids but I am concerned about those in the high risk groups. We should definitely be doing all we can to protect them and if cruising isn't so safe than maybe they shouldn't be cruising vaccine or no vaccine?

 

As another poster has previously stated this is all still so new. A lot can happen in the next few days, weeks, months, years. 

 

[island lady]

12 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

However, would you agree that the more people aboard the ship who are vaccinated the safer the environment would be? If a vaccine mandate would provide a safe enough environment that masks would not be necessary then I would probably fully support it... especially since I am not getting on a ship wearing masks. And the people who I have typically taken with me won't be going either.

 

A ship is a bit like a microcosm of the world. Eventually the time is going to come when those who can't, or won't, be vaccinated will have to find a way to protect themselves as it is unrealistic to expect that people are going to wear masks forever whenever they are someplace other than in their homes in order to help protect the non vaccinated as well as remain six feet away from every human who they are not related to. And I don't mean that to sound cold. The immuno compromised have always had the burden on themselves to find a way to safely navigate the world. The non vaccinated will have the same obligation. Go ahead and cruise if you want but don't expect everyone who decided to protect themselves with a vaccine to then protect you, too, my wearing a mask and avoid getting within six feet if you.

 

Perfectly stated...as usual.  Thank you!  🙂 

[island lady]

17 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Yes very selfish, but aren't they mainly putting themselves at risk?. Either way there needs to be a system of verification.

 

I agree...but deceit, and crime still exist, in all walks of life.  All we can do is protect ourselves the best we can from these selfish "people".   

 

The ones that don't follow health protocol, yes...knowingly endanger themselves...but they also knowingly endanger others.   The vaccine will help, but is not 100%.  Until Covid is history...we are all still going to be at risk.  

Edited January 21, 2021 by island lady

[island lady]

14 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Everything on here is merely speculation. We really have no idea what the Cruise lines or CDC will or will not mandate. We really have no idea if they'll continue will all the vaccinations as planned and could halt it one day soon (or later) for one reason or another, no one knows at the moment. As you said, it's all still too new. 

 

 

But at least...hopefully...the vaccine rollout is heading in the better direction than what we have been going through for months.  What would be the alternative?  

[Mapleleafforever]

31 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Having the vaccine is not 100%.  You can still get it, but just not as severe...so they think.  It is still too new, and not actually a guarantee.  Plus even at the guestimate of 98-94 percent coverage...there is still that 6 %.  If I had a 6% chance of winning the lotto..wow...would I feel lucky to have that much.  Kind of the other way around if it's "only 6%" chance of something you don't want to get.  

 

Bottom line is that if 100% of the passengers are vaccinated...that spread is considerably more contained.  It's the spread of the deadly disease that the CDC and the cruise lines are trying to contain.  

 

It is well within their rights to require vaccinations to cruise with them...and most likely that decision won't be RCI's anyway...with CDC most likely (IMHO) going to demand it.  CDC is not a fan of cruise lines.  Later, when the deadly disease has the "herd immunity" and the numbers are way down..then things may change.  Until then...

Having thought about this a little more it raises another question. We know for a fact which demographics are hardest hit by Covid-19 and if they still have a 6% chance of reinfection will the Cruise lines be willing to take that risk? Will Dr's notes be needed to prove healthy enough to sail? Will there be an age cutoff to cruise? Will masks and social distancing be in use onboard forever? 

 

My point is it's still way to early to know any of these answers and everything right now is speculation. 

[island lady]

13 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Land borders are closed, we can still fly to and from with ease.....

 

And that is a good thing?  

[Mapleleafforever]

Just now, island lady said:

 

And that is a good thing?  

Absolutely not. But when we were told that all travel was stopped we were lied to. 

[island lady]

2 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Having thought about this a little more it raises another question. We know for a fact which demographics are hardest hit by Covid-19 and if they still have a 6% chance of reinfection will the Cruise lines be willing to take that risk? Will Dr's notes be needed to prove healthy enough to sail? Will there be an age cutoff to cruise? Will masks and social distancing be in use onboard forever? 

 

My point is it's still way to early to know any of these answers and everything right now is speculation. 

 

I would say 99% of the posts on these boards are pure speculation.  We are certainly not posting about our latest cruise experiences.  😉 

[Mapleleafforever]

1 minute ago, island lady said:

 

But at least...hopefully...the vaccine rollout is heading in the better direction than what we have been going through for months.  What would be the alternative?  

I honestly don't know. My Province is currently under a Stay at Home order and people are hurting. I am essential so I get to leave the house to go to work every day and am very grateful for that. The vaccine rollout in my Country has been a joke, and yes, I would take the vaccine tomorrow, but it wouldn't be in order to cruise, it would be for life to resume. I still believe there is so much that can change in the near future regarding Covid and vaccines. 

[Ocean Boy]

20 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

You have to keep in mind that I'm looking at this from the perspective of a mid 40's healthy person with no pre-existing conditions. I'm not so scared of Covid for myself or my wife and kids but I am concerned about those in the high risk groups. We should definitely be doing all we can to protect them and if cruising isn't so safe than maybe they shouldn't be cruising vaccine or no vaccine?

 

As another poster has previously stated this is all still so new. A lot can happen in the next few days, weeks, months, years. 

 

Believe me, I totally understand your perspective and I am not a huge fan of general vaccine mandates. I believe in personal choice as one size does not fit all. But the cruise lines have a need to keep their ships safe. So they are going to mandate something be it masks, vaccines or whatever. In the long run I think vaccines provide a safer, more comfortable environment, and a much more normal cruise experience than a mask and social distancing policy ever would. I would also speculate that vaccines allow a higher booking capacity for the ships than masks and distancing could.

[Mapleleafforever]

Just now, island lady said:

 

I would say 99% of the posts on these boards are pure speculation.  We are certainly not posting about our latest cruise experiences.  😉 

I really wish we were though, I really do. 

[Mapleleafforever]

Just now, Ocean Boy said:

Believe me, I totally understand your perspective and I am not a huge fan of general vaccine mandates. I believe in personal choice as one size does not fit all. But the cruise lines have a need to keep their ships safe. So they are going to mandate something be it masks, vaccines or whatever. In the long run I think vaccines provide a safer, more comfortable environment, and a much more normal cruise experience than a mask and social distancing policy ever would.

I still in my heart of hearts believe that one day soon we'll be back to normal, or however close to normal we can get. And I'll still cruise because I believe in cruising as a family vacation. Unless of course my kids can't come because there isn't a vaccine for kids. It's gonna be tough to leave them at home for a week but we'll do our best to cope. 

 

Also won't cruise wearing a mask....I have to wear them in my day to day life and won't do it on vacation. 

[molly361]

I just hope if vaccines are required they will be required for ALL passengers not just adults.  If there are no vaccines for children then they should not be allowed to cruise.  If someone does not want to get vaccinated then they should not be allowed to cruise.

[island lady]

Just now, Mapleleafforever said:

I honestly don't know. My Province is currently under a Stay at Home order and people are hurting. I am essential so I get to leave the house to go to work every day and am very grateful for that. The vaccine rollout in my Country has been a joke, and yes, I would take the vaccine tomorrow, but it wouldn't be in order to cruise, it would be for life to resume. I still believe there is so much that can change in the near future regarding Covid and vaccines. 

 

My sister is also an essential worker...and is someone I am able to get most of my Covid information on.   She is a doctor, a specialist....of infectious diseases.  Naturally she is quite busy, and fortunately she just received her second vaccine injection, which makes me feel better about her continual contact with the infected.  She is losing many patients, and it is tearing her heart out.  

 

I am one of the over 65 group, with additional health problems.  I was very lucky to get my first vaccine shot from my local health dept. last week.  I am grateful for it.  I am one of the lucky ones.  Too many of our residents are struggling to get even an appointment, let alone the vaccine they so desire.  

[island lady]

7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Believe me, I totally understand your perspective and I am not a huge fan of general vaccine mandates. I believe in personal choice as one size does not fit all. But the cruise lines have a need to keep their ships safe. So they are going to mandate something be it masks, vaccines or whatever. In the long run I think vaccines provide a safer, more comfortable environment, and a much more normal cruise experience than a mask and social distancing policy ever would.

 

Exactly this ^.