Rare kazu Posted May 6, 2021 #151 Share Posted May 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Heartgrove said: Interesting. There is a huge disparity between the two class of ships with regards to cabin classes. According to CruiseMapper, the Zuiderdam has: 2 Pinnacle, 60 Neptune, 100 Signature, 499 Verandah, 163 Oceanview, and 163 Inside. CruiseMapper shows Volendam with: 1 Pinnacle, 29 Neptune, Vista 168, Lanaii 21, Oceanview 383, and Inside 136. I would assume that the Insides or Oceanviews could be used for quarantine if there is a Covid incident. The only problem is that the ventilation ductwork on the Volendam is zoned by area and shared among cabins in that area of the ship. It would mean sections of the ship would be cordoned off to prevent spread. Newer ships uise individual ventilation units per cabin. That prevents the problem of a passenger blocking the balcony door open and affecting other cabins airflow that are nearby. There is a huge disparity between the 2 ships. Since the Zuiderdam sailing had been selling well when people were transferred to the Volendam I suspect they literally filled all the balcony cabins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted May 6, 2021 #152 Share Posted May 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Heartgrove said: Have you asked if there is capacity control on your Volendam cruise? Or is every cabin close to being sold? MSC Grandiosa has a capacity of 4810 to 5772 passengers but has been sailing with only 1600-1800 passengers. One person per hot tub for 15 minutes (unless family), and limited numbers in the pool for a limited time. Are they going to enforce those hot tub and pool capacity rules with the same lack of zealousness as they enforce hogging lounge chairs? Who is going to be timing people in the hot tubs? Will there be a line of a sign up for your 15 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartgrove Posted May 6, 2021 #153 Share Posted May 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, ontheweb said: Are they going to enforce those hot tub and pool capacity rules with the same lack of zealousness as they enforce hogging lounge chairs? Who is going to be timing people in the hot tubs? Will there be a line of a sign up for your 15 minutes? I'm not sure what HAL will do. Remember, initially there will be capacity control. MSC does have crew members assigned to supervise. Any problems beyond that, I am sure Ship Security will step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leerathje Posted May 6, 2021 #154 Share Posted May 6, 2021 14 hours ago, ontheweb said: What would they do if you refuse to wear a mask during disembarkation? Kick you off the ship?🤣🤣 I suppose they could ban you from sailing on HAL again.... L. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rucrazy Posted May 6, 2021 #155 Share Posted May 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, leerathje said: I suppose they could ban you from sailing on HAL again They have blacklisted guests before... for less.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #156 Share Posted May 6, 2021 5 hours ago, ontheweb said: Are they going to enforce those hot tub and pool capacity rules with the same lack of zealousness as they enforce hogging lounge chairs? Who is going to be timing people in the hot tubs? Will there be a line of a sign up for your 15 minutes? Who wants to cruise when freedoms care limited in common areas like the gym ,pool, jacuzzi ,sauna ,steam room ,if they even have them open ? Too many protocol sanctions will take away the enjoyment of cruising imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rucrazy Posted May 6, 2021 #157 Share Posted May 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said: Too many protocol sanctions will take away the enjoyment of cruising imo I vote for only one protocol FULL VACCINATION period! For those that choose not to VAX or can't, I am sorry maybe we will see you in a few years when things calm down.. You will still have some beaches available to you enjoy your summers. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #158 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 minute ago, rucrazy said: I vote for only one protocol FULL VACCINATION period! For those that choose not to VAX or can't, I am sorry maybe we will see you in a few years when things calm down.. You will still have some beaches available to you enjoy your summers. Yes with every one vaccinated on a cruise ship ,it is very unlikely even the variants would cause wide spread problems of serious illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #159 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The problem that can happen is that the cruise line becomes over cautious which sends a negative message .With the virus getting well under control in the USA ,those of us fully vaccinated want our freedoms restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Titan Posted May 6, 2021 #160 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) Greek Isles 2021 Summer announcement email say "availalble only to vaccinated guests..." Edited May 6, 2021 by Tennessee Titan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #161 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Tennessee Titan said: Greek Isles 2021 Summer announcement email say "availalble only to vaccinated guests..." That is the best way across all HAL ships . It is also the safest way with the age demographics that HAL attracts to their cruises 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido - Lanai Posted May 6, 2021 #162 Share Posted May 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, rucrazy said: I vote for only one protocol FULL VACCINATION period! I'm with you on the full vaccination protocol...... but unfortunately there will be additional protocols needed. Remember, the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee you can't pick up the virus (particularly a variant) in some port. I admit the chance of that happening is extremely slim, but all it will take is one person to bring it back onboard, and even if everyone else is vaccinated, you'll see chaos on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #163 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lido - Lanai said: I'm with you on the full vaccination protocol...... but unfortunately there will be additional protocols needed. Remember, the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee you can't pick up the virus (particularly a variant) in some port. I admit the chance of that happening is extremely slim, but all it will take is one person to bring it back onboard, and even if everyone else is vaccinated, you'll see chaos on the ship. The truth of the matter is that people can get sick but being vaccinated prevents serious illness & death .If the cruise line does over board with very strict protocols they just may drive their recovery business away & that could really hit them hard in the pocket book . I can;t speak for others but ,in our case we have been shut in for so long that we want our freedoms back & we are fully vaccinated .Any harsh protocols would be a turn off for us . We have alternatives like doing land trips . I feel that the tourism industry is so hungry for business ,that they will bend ;because if they don't bend they will break We may be saying similar things in a different approach Edited May 6, 2021 by mcrcruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lido - Lanai Posted May 6, 2021 #164 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 minute ago, mcrcruiser said: The truth of the matter is that people can get sick but being vaccinated prevents serious illness & death Agree.... but personally, I don't want to get ill, mildly or even asymptomatic. I'm ok with some additional protocols to prevent that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #165 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lido - Lanai said: Agree.... but personally, I don't want to get ill, mildly or even asymptomatic. I'm ok with some additional protocols to prevent that. What protocols would you want in place ? In reality it just looks like the mutations will be with us like the yearly flu .Thus ,we will require yearly booster shots .Here lies another problem ,how often will each of us require a booster shot .Already it has been determined that the vaccines will only last perhaps up to 6 months as a protection Edited May 6, 2021 by mcrcruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #166 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The idea that with the vaccines in mass quantities & people getting vaccinated we gain herd immunity here is the US . The problem though are the anti vaccination people . This is a type of virus that mutates rather quickly & often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted May 6, 2021 #167 Share Posted May 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said: What protocols would you want in place ? In reality it just looks like the mutations will be with us like the yearly flu .Thus ,we will require yearly booster shots .Here lies another problem ,how often will each of us require a booster shot .Already it has been determined that the vaccines will only last perhaps up to 6 months as a protection The six months limitation is only as far as they have scientific evidence, because the vaccine has only been around for a short time. In another couple of months you could easily hear the vaccines are good for at least 9 months...a few months after, it might be "good for 1 year". We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted May 6, 2021 #168 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Lido - Lanai said: Remember, the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee you can't pick up the virus (particularly a variant) in some port. I admit the chance of that happening is extremely slim, but all it will take is one person to bring it back onboard, and even if everyone else is vaccinated, you'll see chaos on the ship. A coworker of mine, who has been fully vaccinated since February, just tested positive after his family came down with COVID. He's a first responder so at this point, no one knows if he picked it up at work and spread it to them, or if they spread it to him. The thinking is that they spread it to him because the jury is still out whether or not a vaccinated person can spread the virus. Either way, he's vaccinated with COVID. The good news is, he has no symptoms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 6, 2021 #169 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, CruiserBruce said: The six months limitation is only as far as they have scientific evidence, because the vaccine has only been around for a short time. In another couple of months you could easily hear the vaccines are good for at least 9 months...a few months after, it might be "good for 1 year". We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. We have what we have .No crystal ball here . what we do know is that the virus mutates . Thus ,it may be that a flu type yearly shot be administered ,if the vaccines are proven to last one year, to protect us .But ,we won't know until science tells us for certain . Still somewhat of a guessing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted May 6, 2021 #170 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Aquahound said: A coworker of mine, who has been fully vaccinated since February, just tested positive after his family came down with COVID. He's a first responder so at this point, no one knows if he picked it up at work and spread it to them, or if they spread it to him. The thinking is that they spread it to him because the jury is still out whether or not a vaccinated person can spread the virus. Either way, he's vaccinated with COVID. The good news is, he has no symptoms. And that is the idea of the vaccine. You probably will not get it, but even if you do it will be extremely mild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted May 6, 2021 #171 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, mcrcruiser said: Who wants to cruise when freedoms care limited in common areas like the gym ,pool, jacuzzi ,sauna ,steam room ,if they even have them open ? Too many protocol sanctions will take away the enjoyment of cruising imo Add the you can only leave the ship in their bubble excursions to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarOak Posted May 7, 2021 #172 Share Posted May 7, 2021 11 hours ago, mcrcruiser said: The truth of the matter is that people can get sick but being vaccinated prevents serious illness & death .If the cruise line does over board with very strict protocols they just may drive their recovery business away & that could really hit them hard in the pocket book . I can;t speak for others but ,in our case we have been shut in for so long that we want our freedoms back & we are fully vaccinated .Any harsh protocols would be a turn off for us . We have alternatives like doing land trips . I feel that the tourism industry is so hungry for business ,that they will bend ;because if they don't bend they will break We may be saying similar things in a different approach Tell that to the fully vaccinated teacher in our school district who is now in hospital and on a Respirator. Too early for the victory lap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cscurlock Posted May 7, 2021 #173 Share Posted May 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Lido - Lanai said: I'm with you on the full vaccination protocol...... but unfortunately there will be additional protocols needed. Remember, the vaccine is not a 100% guarantee you can't pick up the virus (particularly a variant) in some port. I admit the chance of that happening is extremely slim, but all it will take is one person to bring it back onboard, and even if everyone else is vaccinated, you'll see chaos on the ship. The chance of serious illness is like 0% with vaccination and if there was a situation like that they can handle 1 person. Its handling a large group of seriously ill people that is the problem. If the vaccinations prevent that then the cruise lines should be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 7, 2021 #174 Share Posted May 7, 2021 9 hours ago, OmarOak said: Tell that to the fully vaccinated teacher in our school district who is now in hospital and on a Respirator. Too early for the victory lap.... What you don't know is perhaps she has other very serious medical issues .Because one person you know of is in the hospital does not make cruising with out masks dangerous as long as the entire ship pax & crew have been vaccinated . Now just think that a year from now in oder to cruise you have to wear masks & you been vaccinated & had a booster shot . how inclined are you & others to continue cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrcruiser Posted May 7, 2021 #175 Share Posted May 7, 2021 18 hours ago, ontheweb said: Add the you can only leave the ship in their bubble excursions to that list. Just imagine that no one has to wear masks outside & here we go on a Hawaii cruise to all american ports & at the end of the cruise a short stop in Ensenada Mexico . How could HAL say every one has to be on HAL bubble tours . Got to be nuts to go on that cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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