get rid of smoking in the casino

[sparks1093]

2 hours ago, Auntiemomo said:

Celebrity has banned smoking inside, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.  I think you are just making stuff up for what you think will happen.  I remember when they said the bars & restaurants would go broke if they banned in door smoking, but the opposite happened.  More people flocked to the non-smoking venues.

Celebrity uses a different business model than Royal and probably relies less on casino income. Of course a nonsmoker who wants a smoke free casino can certainly book Celebrity. 

[ReneeFLL]

9 hours ago, Auntiemomo said:

Celebrity has banned smoking inside, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.  I think you are just making stuff up for what you think will happen.  I remember when they said the bars & restaurants would go broke if they banned in door smoking, but the opposite happened.  More people flocked to the non-smoking venues.

Exactly, and if there are fewer and fewer places for smokers to go some might be more likely stop.

[ReneeFLL]

12 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

The question is actually how many smokers would take their business to another cruise line completely.

Probably not enough to make any difference to Royal. How many people from other lines would come to Royal because of no smoking in the casinos?

[livingonthebeach]

Glad to see one of the new protocols for FOTS July 2nd sailing out of Miami is only vaccinated passengers will be allowed in the casino.  Unvaxxed blowing smoke (if smoking will be allowed - remains to be seen) will not be a concern.

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center/getting-ready-to-cruise?dPort=miami

[ReneeFLL]

2 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

Glad to see one of the new protocols for FOTS July 2nd sailing out of Miami is only vaccinated passengers will be allowed in the casino.  Unvaxxed blowing smoke (if smoking will be allowed - remains to be seen) will not be a concern.

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center/getting-ready-to-cruise?dPort=miami

They are taking away more and more places for the unvaccinated to go. They are definitely trying to get around the Florida rule. 👍🏼

[sparks1093]

7 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

Probably not enough to make any difference to Royal. How many people from other lines would come to Royal because of no smoking in the casinos?

How many go to Celebrity for that now? And it's not just who will book Royal but very much will the nonsmokers spend as much money in the casino as the smokers? If that revenue target is missed then they would raise fares to make up the difference. I am willing to put up with smoking in the casino to help keep fares low.

[BirdTravels]

Smoking in the casino is not going away any time soon. The casino is big business for the cruise line and, since the start of time, cruise lines have accommodated the smokers based on revenue generated. On some cruises, over 25% of the adult passengers on a ship are guests of the casino sailing in discounted or comped rooms. Some casino guests are sailing on certificates from their land-based casinos.  Some are sailing with discounts based on their tier status with their land-based casinos. And the majority are guests of Casino Royale (comped or discounted). So, walking down the halls on a ship, every 4th door is sailing for free or at a discount from the casino. And those casino players are very protective of their casino tier status (which need to be renewed annually) . 

[livingonthebeach]

1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

Smoking in the casino is not going away any time soon. The casino is big business for the cruise line and, since the start of time, cruise lines have accommodated the smokers based on revenue generated. On some cruises, over 25% of the adult passengers on a ship are guests of the casino sailing in discounted or comped rooms. Some casino guests are sailing on certificates from their land-based casinos.  Some are sailing with discounts based on their tier status with their land-based casinos. And the majority are guests of Casino Royale (comped or discounted). So, walking down the halls on a ship, every 4th door is sailing for free or at a discount from the casino. And those casino players are very protective of their casino tier status (which need to be renewed annually) . 

 

Comped cruises happen on every cruise line. Does it mean that every High Roller Casino Gambler smokes? No, not at all. I personally know a few that love to go against the odds spending megabucks and SURPRISE hate cigarette smoke anywhere near them. 

[davekathy]

Smoking isn't allowed in the casinos on RC ships that leave out of the UK and Australia. I would bet those ships casinos are just as busy as the ships casino that allow smoking with non smokers and smokers. 

 

Current protocols for the current Freedom cruise. Only those that have been vaccinated are allowed in the casino. 👍

Edited June 26, 2021 by davekathy

[BND]

Smokers always overestimate how many people actually still smoke and how much more money they spend in the casino.  It's been dropping for years and is down to about 15% of the adult population in the US.  In the last 10 years, it's dropped from 20%.  Very much the minority onboard, especially considering it's 15% of adults.   I know plenty of non smokers who don't go into the casino because of the smokers, so I think those numbers of people in the casino wouldn't be impacted overall by banning smoking.  I mean, at 15 out of 100 adults smoking, when does it hit the tipping  point? 

 

I question what is meant by "Celebrity uses a different business model and probably depends less on casino income"?  What business model would that be that they would make up that income elsewhere?  Also, the casino on X is just as busy as on RCI.   There are less children on Celebrity, but beyond that, I know plenty of cruisers who do both RCI and X.  There are less smokers on X, that we did notice.   

 

And, yes, having been on 28 cruises, I see a lot more smokers just hanging out in the casino smoking than I do gambling.  So, that argument that smokers gamble more doesn't hold any water with me.

Edited June 26, 2021 by BND

[FamilyCruiserUK]

Has anyone actually thought about the staff and their health. Smoking is a dying art and i am so flad the uk band smoking indoors. 

 

Granted everyone has the right to smoke but that right should end where it affects others.

[sparks1093]

2 hours ago, BND said:

Smokers always overestimate how many people actually still smoke and how much more money they spend in the casino.  It's been dropping for years and is down to about 15% of the adult population in the US.  In the last 10 years, it's dropped from 20%.  Very much the minority onboard, especially considering it's 15% of adults.   I know plenty of non smokers who don't go into the casino because of the smokers, so I think those numbers of people in the casino wouldn't be impacted overall by banning smoking.  I mean, at 15 out of 100 adults smoking, when does it hit the tipping  point? 

 

I question what is meant by "Celebrity uses a different business model and probably depends less on casino income"?  What business model would that be that they would make up that income elsewhere?  Also, the casino on X is just as busy as on RCI.   There are less children on Celebrity, but beyond that, I know plenty of cruisers who do both RCI and X.  There are less smokers on X, that we did notice.   

 

And, yes, having been on 28 cruises, I see a lot more smokers just hanging out in the casino smoking than I do gambling.  So, that argument that smokers gamble more doesn't hold any water with me.

They charge more for the cruise and rely on other departments to make up the difference, that's what "different business model" means. 

[BND]

51 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

They charge more for the cruise and rely on other departments to make up the difference, that's what "different business model" means. 

They charge more because of "included" things like drink pkgs, wifi, gratuities. It all works out.  I've never seen any proof that because X is non smoking and RCI isn't that RCI makes more in the casino.

[BND]

2 hours ago, FamilyCruiserUK said:

Has anyone actually thought about the staff and their health. Smoking is a dying art and i am so flad the uk band smoking indoors. 

 

Granted everyone has the right to smoke but that right should end where it affects others.

The US has banned smoking indoors too.  It's the cruise lines that are behind the times.

[BirdTravels]

1 hour ago, BND said:

The US has banned smoking indoors too.  It's the cruise lines that are behind the times.

Have you been to Vegas or Atlantic City?  Like the cruise lines, they cater to the smokers. ACY tried nonsmoking. Didn’t last long. 

[BirdTravels]

4 hours ago, davekathy said:

Current protocols for the current Freedom cruise. Only those that have been vaccinated are allowed in the casino. 👍

Well,,, for other ships like the Adventure, all adults have to be be vaccinated, so, by default, all casino players are vaccinated. 

[livingonthebeach]

17 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Have you been to Vegas or Atlantic City?  Like the cruise lines, they cater to the smokers. ACY tried nonsmoking. Didn’t last long. 

 

Some Vegas casinos and ALL of Atlantic City reopened with non-smoking venues.  Atlantic City not sure if they will reinstitute smoking in a few months. 

[BirdTravels]

9 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

Some Vegas casinos and ALL of Atlantic City reopened with non-smoking venues.  Atlantic City not sure if they will reinstitute smoking in a few months. 

Reopening is over. Lots of smoke now. 

Edited June 26, 2021 by BirdTravels

[livingonthebeach]

2 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Reopening is over. Lots of smoke now. 

 

Maybe for now but smoke is on its way out. 

[BND]

57 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Have you been to Vegas or Atlantic City?  Like the cruise lines, they cater to the smokers. ACY tried nonsmoking. Didn’t last long. 

Yes, I have and no they don't like they used to. All you have to do is utilize google.

 

https://www.online-casinos.com/guide/can-you-smoke-in-casinos/#:~:text=Can you smoke in all,smoking on the casino floor.

Edited June 26, 2021 by BND

[BND]

58 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Have you been to Vegas or Atlantic City?  Like the cruise lines, they cater to the smokers. ACY tried nonsmoking. Didn’t last long. 

So, currently smoking by adults in the US is around 15%.  It's only dropping.  As I asked before, what is the tipping point?  The vast majority of people do not smoke.

[rjrpar]

On 6/25/2021 at 4:10 PM, sparks1093 said:

Celebrity uses a different business model than Royal and probably relies less on casino income. Of course a nonsmoker who wants a smoke free casino can certainly book Celebrity. 

I doubt you know anything about the business models of either Royal or X.   

[sparks1093]

2 hours ago, BND said:

They charge more because of "included" things like drink pkgs, wifi, gratuities. It all works out.  I've never seen any proof that because X is non smoking and RCI isn't that RCI makes more in the casino.

The fact that Royal stills allows smoking leads me to conclude that they make money in the casino and that they believe it's because smokers spend more.

[sparks1093]

31 minutes ago, rjrpar said:

I doubt you know anything about the business models of either Royal or X.   

No need for the snarkiness but Royal is going to do what makes the most money for Royal and they haven't changed their policy.

[sparks1093]

36 minutes ago, BND said:

So, currently smoking by adults in the US is around 15%.  It's only dropping.  As I asked before, what is the tipping point?  The vast majority of people do not smoke.

But how many people book a cruise so they can gamble? Royal knows the answer to that question and we don't.