Mixed vaccines no longer approved

[POA1]

2 hours ago, KirkNC said:

Will those who did get two of the same shot but the interval was greater then the 3-4 weeks as recommended by the manufacturer be considered unvaccinated?

Yes, per WHO guidelines from June. You have a 7 and a half day window for shot #2. (No idea why.)

[XLVIII]

4 hours ago, mathgirl314 said:

Update... Carnival, Princess, HA, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity and Norwegian all have updates to include the same policy. Celebrity even states that does from different manufacturers would not be ok (so no moderna/pfizer)

 

I am unable to get another dose at this time, as there are those I Canada (and the world) that still need their first dose. It would be greedy for me to demand a 3rd dose just because I wish to travel. We have to register online, so my file would have me as fully vaccinated... so no 3rd dose.

 

Hoping for the policy to be changed in time for our cruise... otherwise my son will go in my place as he will have 2x Pfizer. 

Where did you see the Celebrity rule? I can’t seem to find it on their site. 

[mcrcruiser]

What a bummer for those people   . We are very fortunate here in the USA .

 

 However ,now we hear that those of who are vaccinated can  become a symtomatic   & how does that work on any cruise ship ? Do those of us who become a Symtomatic , get confined to our cabins ,like those 2 on Celebrity Millenium that sailed from St Martin ?

 

 Questions & more questions as to how this virus now impacts future cruises

[bennybear]

2 hours ago, POA1 said:

Yes, per WHO guidelines from June. You have a 7 and a half day window for shot #2. (No idea why.)

Then That will eliminate most  Brits and  Canadians.  Doesn’t make sense when some research shows better immunity. I can’t even begin to to imagine the logistics! 

[Horizon chaser 1957]

7 hours ago, POA1 said:

 

No, it would have been illegal. The limited trials used for emergency use authorization were only for single vaccine manufacturers. There would have had to have been trials for the mixed vaccines.  You know all those "drug interaction warnings" you see? They would have insisted on those at a minimum.

But does the same drug from different manufactures qualify as drug interaction? A pharmacist will often fill a prescription with either a name brand drug or it’s generic equivalent from a different manufacturer based on what the customer or insurance provider will pay for. Pfizer and Moderna are both mRNA COVID 19 vaccines from different manufacturers. It’s the same principle. In fact, HALs policy specifically states one dose of a vector vaccine and one dose of an mRNA vaccine as the unacceptable combination.
That said, I’m glad I don’t have any cruises booked in 2021. There’s time for this to get sorted out before I try boarding a ship.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Horizon chaser 1957

[kazu]

8 hours ago, POA1 said:

Yes, per WHO guidelines from June. You have a 7 and a half day window for shot #2. (No idea why.)

 

Yikes.  Well that disqualifies us then, too.  We both have Pfizer but we did have a longer wait for the 2nd shot.  

 

Looking at our numbers here, it sure seems to be working.

 

Now, I’m really glad I decided not to cruise this year.  This will get sorted out I would like to think by the time we cruise in 2022 🤞 

 

This is going to eliminate a lot of people from cruising if it isn’t addressed.

[bebe08]

8 hours ago, XLVIII said:

Where did you see the Celebrity rule? I can’t seem to find it on their site. 

Here is the info from the Celebrity site: 

I found the info in the Healthy at sea FAQs 

https://www.celebritycruises.com/ca/healthy-at-sea/faqs

[mcrcruiser]

53 minutes ago, bebe08 said:

Here is the info from the Celebrity site: 

I found the info in the Healthy at sea FAQs 

https://www.celebritycruises.com/ca/healthy-at-sea/faqs

Hard to under stand why a cruise line will not accept a mixed dose of vaccine for the 2 shots . Then what is also puzzling is  that even having been vaccinated we could get the virus & become A symtomatic  .Celebrity had 2 people like that on the first cruise of Millenium   from St Martin   .These 2 people became a symtomatic & according to the report they were confined to their cabin . I can see this happening more & more because  many countries are certainly not up to speed with vaccines & people in those ports can have & transmit  the virus to a fully vaccinated  passenger/s  

 

 Would some one please clarify  what in the world is going on any way . This certainly becomes more & more confusing with all the regulations  & cruise line restrictions .TIA

[ger_77]

12 hours ago, POA1 said:

Yes, per WHO guidelines from June. You have a 7 and a half day window for shot #2. (No idea why.)

If that's the case, it's going to eliminate virtually anyone who wants to cruise.  I don't know of any place where a second dose was administered within 7.5 days.  That's totally unrealistic.

 

Smooth Sailing!  🙂🙂🙂

[POA1]

4 hours ago, kazu said:

 

Yikes.  Well that disqualifies us then, too.  We both have Pfizer but we did have a longer wait for the 2nd shot.  

 

Looking at our numbers here, it sure seems to be working.

 

Now, I’m really glad I decided not to cruise this year.  This will get sorted out I would like to think by the time we cruise in 2022 🤞 

 

This is going to eliminate a lot of people from cruising if it isn’t addressed.

I wouldn't worry. There are efficacy studies that show that even a 21 day delay on the second dose has only a neglible decrease in protection.

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by POA1
I originally used "have" where I should have used "has."

[kazu]

2 minutes ago, POA1 said:

I wouldn't worry. There are efficacy studies that show that even a 21 day delay on the second dose has only a neglible decrease in protection.

 

 

Slight past the 21 day mark but I’m not concerned about the protection.  I’m concerned about being able to cruise and have my full vaccination status negated by the cruise line.

 

Thankfully, the Federal Government will be doing vaccine passports.

[Dismomx5]

39 minutes ago, kazu said:

 

Slight past the 21 day mark but I’m not concerned about the protection.  I’m concerned about being able to cruise and have my full vaccination status negated by the cruise line.

 

Thankfully, the Federal Government will be doing vaccine passports.

Have you heard confirmation of that Kazu? Our Premier is refusing to do vaccine passports, relying on the Federal government, but all the information is provincial. I'm a "Just give me the card or add it to my passport," kind of girl.

[nocl]

16 hours ago, KirkNC said:

That’s another issue that could come up.  Will those who did get two of the same shot but the interval was greater then the 3-4 weeks as recommended by the manufacturer be considered unvaccinated?

That does not seem to be an issue.  Only the need to complete the series with the same product.

[nocl]

9 hours ago, Horizon chaser 1957 said:

But does the same drug from different manufactures qualify as drug interaction? A pharmacist will often fill a prescription with either a name brand drug or it’s generic equivalent from a different manufacturer based on what the customer or insurance provider will pay for. Pfizer and Moderna are both mRNA COVID 19 vaccines from different manufacturers. It’s the same principle. In fact, HALs policy specifically states one dose of a vector vaccine and one dose of an mRNA vaccine as the unacceptable combination.
That said, I’m glad I don’t have any cruises booked in 2021. There’s time for this to get sorted out before I try boarding a ship.

Same category, but not the same product. 

 

Bottom line is that the combinations have not been given approval by WHO (or FDA) as an authorized vaccine therapy.  Which are the sources used by the cruise lines (and the CDC) to determine vaccination status.  Not sure why Princess accepts the mRNA combination, but Celebrity does not.  I expect one or the other will change over the next few days.

[nocl]

52 minutes ago, kazu said:

 

Slight past the 21 day mark but I’m not concerned about the protection.  I’m concerned about being able to cruise and have my full vaccination status negated by the cruise line.

 

Thankfully, the Federal Government will be doing vaccine passports.

That may not make any difference.  If the passport includes the vaccine information (brands and dates) then no real difference.  If it just states fully vaccinated then other countries may not accept it, since they know the combinations used.

[nocl]

15 hours ago, POA1 said:

Exactly. Based on early reports, the adverse reactions to the mRNA boosters are pretty severe.

A UK study also indicates that in general those that received combinations had more side effects than those that received the same product.

[VMax1700]

So, governments and health authorities, after consultation (or perhaps at the insistence) of their medical specialists, viral specialists, epidemiology specialist etc, etc, together with their scientific advisors decided it was not only acceptable to mix vaccines, but was in the interest of their citizens.

Now the cruise lines have decided that it is not acceptable (to them).

You could not trump that if you tried.

[KirkNC]

40 minutes ago, nocl said:

That does not seem to be an issue.  Only the need to complete the series with the same product.

I agree..,so far.

[Vict0riann]

48 minutes ago, nocl said:

That does not seem to be an issue.  Only the need to complete the series with the same product.

 

I hope.  We will need some definite word before final payment next month!

[Oscar13]

We are in the same boat.  DH has AZ x 2, I have AZ and Moderna.   Hopefully a solution will be found before we sail next May.

 

K2

[POA1]

28 minutes ago, VMax1700 said:

So, governments and health authorities, after consultation (or perhaps at the insistence) of their medical specialists, viral specialists, epidemiology specialist etc, etc, together with their scientific advisors decided it was not only acceptable to mix vaccines, but was in the interest of their citizens.

Now the cruise lines have decided that it is not acceptable (to them).

You could not trump that if you tried.

Show your work.

 

Your health authorities must have some studies to support their mixed vaccine decision.

 

There's no way that they are doing this without extensive research.

[mightycruisequeen]

1 hour ago, VMax1700 said:

So, governments and health authorities, after consultation (or perhaps at the insistence) of their medical specialists, viral specialists, epidemiology specialist etc, etc, together with their scientific advisors decided it was not only acceptable to mix vaccines, but was in the interest of their citizens.

Now the cruise lines have decided that it is not acceptable (to them).

You could not trump that if you tried.

Wasn't everyone insisting earlier that the cruise lines are businesses, and they're free to set their own rules?   Is that still a popular opinion here , or not so much, in light of this new rule?

[Laminator]

If the cruise lines required 2 doses within 7 days only those who received JnJ would be allowed to cruise. On the WHO website this info was originally April 1, 2021 and updated June 25, 2021. 

 

[Horizon chaser 1957]

2 hours ago, nocl said:

Same category, but not the same product. 

 

Bottom line is that the combinations have not been given approval by WHO (or FDA) as an authorized vaccine therapy.  Which are the sources used by the cruise lines (and the CDC) to determine vaccination status.  Not sure why Princess accepts the mRNA combination, but Celebrity does not.  I expect one or the other will change over the next few days.

Nothing has been given approval as an authorized vaccine therapy, except on an emergency basis. Cruising may not really fall into the category of an emergency situation. HAL, as well as Princess, accepts the mRNA combination. That sounds like a Carnival Corporation decision. They may have looked at their income base. While the majority of passengers are American, especially on Caribbean sailings, a sizeable number of passengers on more global itineraries are not. Carnival Corp. may feel they have enough economic woes without deliberately eliminating their European/ UK/ Canadian income streams if they can side step the issue. As it is, it currently maroons those with mixed vector and mRNA vaccines.
Personally, I’m happy to stay clear of the whole mess until everyone figures out what’s what and gets on the same page, whatever that may be.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Horizon chaser 1957

[tamsno]

I have not found any reference to 7 day vaccination interval on the WHO website.  In fact, less than 21 days is specifically NOT recommended on all related websites.  Can you be more specific regarding this information.