Don’t believe Princess website

[cruisingguy007]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

The contract agreed to says that Princess can change various requirements at their will.

 

As far as masking is concerned, there have been months where they were required, then optional, then required again.

 

Imagine the problems if:

First those who do not want masks cancel because they are required.

Second those who what the protection masks bring cancel when masks become not required.

Third those who do nor want masks required had re-booked, but now want to cancel because masks are required again.

 

If you think hold times when calling Princess are long now.......

 

That said, RCI in January did allow cancellations with full refunds after instituting a mask requirement on close-in voyages.

 

Cool, same goes vise verse! I love that in fact. Illegal contracts are unenforceable and lead to class actions. Cha-ching! 😁Try me and see, not $1.  I'll bank on the cruise lines, we are all under the same umbrella and no one wants it with our umbrella, maybe Rey-Rey but she's covered too. 😁 

Edited April 4, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[cruisingguy007]

Plus, you don't speak for the line, I know this for a fact. 

[IJustWantToGo36]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

They said if everyone on the ship is fully vaccinated.

 

That means no exceptions for children not eligible for the vaccination, people with medical conditions that preclude the vaccination, and people with religious objections to the vaccine.

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel Wednesday following two years of issuing warnings to travelers about the possibility of contracting COVID-19 onboard a cruise.

Lifting means  END    

[cruisingguy007]

5 minutes ago, IJustWantToGo36 said:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel Wednesday following two years of issuing warnings to travelers about the possibility of contracting COVID-19 onboard a cruise.

Lifting means  END    

 

It means fair comparison! The quadruple standard has been lifted. The airlines flown the variants all over the world and got bonus tax payer money for doing so, independent cruise lines got the shaft; my money is on the cruise lines! Let freedom ring!  LET'S GO!!

Edited April 4, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[caribill]

13 minutes ago, IJustWantToGo36 said:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel Wednesday following two years of issuing warnings to travelers about the possibility of contracting COVID-19 onboard a cruise.

Lifting means  END    

 

"The CDC emphasizes that travelers should make sure they're up to date with their COVID-19 vaccines before taking a cruise, in addition to following their ship's requirements and recommendations against the virus."

[insidecabin]

On 4/2/2022 at 5:53 PM, Eglesbrech said:

And indeed different legal systems.😀

Indeed for the UK and EU sales.

Cruises are covered by the package regulations and the passenger contact cannot override some critical part of that legislation.

Most cruise lines have adjusted UK/EU contracts to include some key elements like major changes come with full refund.

(Then argue about what's major)

 

Safety protocols need to be adaptable and flexible.

Princess should fix the uk faq.

 

Until cruise ships get in line with England and abandon isolation for all but serious cases passengers need protection on board ships from themselves and others.

 

Going to be some time as the countries ships visit are still requiring quarantine and quarantine cabins on ships.

 

Plenty are still refusing docking if cases are high

 

Princess should not do less than required by the counties being visited.

 

Spain required daily temp checks may still do no sign of that happening on this Sky trip with 4 Spanish ports.

 

 

The let's see how many we can stuff in a lift people are on this Sky cruise

 

UK positively is going up but partly due to the change in test strategy.

 

The current ship strategy is don't test till you have to(symptoms) and hope people don't report for testing, many(most?) will be asymptomatic or mild so won't bother.

 

It's shut your eyes and hope for the best but with demographic of cruise ships there will be some that get ill enough to require medical support and the testing of them and close contacts should start....

With the medallion they have you tracked enough to know of you were a potential contact.

 

If you get to the end of the cruise great the cruise line is off the hook as no back tracing or reporting to link back to the ship should you be positive.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by insidecabin

[Ombud]

On 4/1/2022 at 10:58 PM, Ronnieslady said:

..... So that means anyone in the cabin with the positive tester can still roam the ship for the next cruise.  .....

No. The positive person is moved to the quarantine area & negative roommate may move with them & remain there or remain in original quarters. No one in quarantine area is permitted to 'roam' about

[Ombud]

23 hours ago, caribill said:

 

Another thread covers this topic and says Canada will not let the ship dock in Canada with passengers due to the number of Covid cases onboard at this time.

So that was the reason?? Makes sense but I thought the reason was that it had to go to prior scheduled drydock 3 days early. Something to do with sewage  / plumbing issues

 

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Ombud

[IJustWantToGo36]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

"The CDC emphasizes that travelers should make sure they're up to date with their COVID-19 vaccines before taking a cruise, in addition to following their ship's requirements and recommendations against the virus."

True or False:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel

[cruisingguy007]

22 minutes ago, IJustWantToGo36 said:

True or False:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel

 What else can you do but disallowing your existence? They claim to love us but all evidence is to the contrary! 

Edited April 4, 2022 by cruisingguy007

[MissP22]

1 hour ago, Ombud said:

No. The positive person is moved to the quarantine area & negative roommate may move with them & remain there or remain in original quarters. No one in quarantine area is permitted to 'roam' about

I'm assuming that if negative roommate does choose to move into the quarantined cabin they would no longer be able to leave the cabin again ??

[ontheweb]

8 hours ago, cruiser419419 said:

 

If everyone is boosted, even with 1000 new infections you wouldn't expect anyone to die. The vaccines are very good at preventing death.

This is why folks are saying we need to move on. With a fully boosted population, there is a risk, but it is very minimal.

But if they are not requiring boosters, you are not going to get nearly a 100% boosted cruise. And I have not heard of a cruise line requiring boosters, maybe some European ports.

[Sunwanabe]

5 hours ago, insidecabin said:

Indeed for the UK and EU sales.

Cruises are covered by the package regulations and the passenger contact cannot override some critical part of that legislation.

Most cruise lines have adjusted UK/EU contracts to include some key elements like major changes come with full refund.

(Then argue about what's major)

 

Safety protocols need to be adaptable and flexible.

Princess should fix the uk faq.

 

Until cruise ships get in line with England and abandon isolation for all but serious cases passengers need protection on board ships from themselves and others.

 

Going to be some time as the countries ships visit are still requiring quarantine and quarantine cabins on ships.

 

Plenty are still refusing docking if cases are high

 

Princess should not do less than required by the counties being visited.

 

Spain required daily temp checks may still do no sign of that happening on this Sky trip with 4 Spanish ports.

 

 

The let's see how many we can stuff in a lift people are on this Sky cruise

 

UK positively is going up but partly due to the change in test strategy.

 

The current ship strategy is don't test till you have to(symptoms) and hope people don't report for testing, many(most?) will be asymptomatic or mild so won't bother.

 

It's shut your eyes and hope for the best but with demographic of cruise ships there will be some that get ill enough to require medical support and the testing of them and close contacts should start....

With the medallion they have you tracked enough to know of you were a potential contact.

 

If you get to the end of the cruise great the cruise line is off the hook as no back tracing or reporting to link back to the ship should you be positive.

 

 

 

 

Sounds like a spy novel with tracking. So if you don't need medallion at times, leave it in cabin.

[Daniel A]

3 hours ago, IJustWantToGo36 said:

True or False:

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has lifted its risk advisory for cruise ship travel

FALSE.    CDC has no such category called "Risk Advisories."  The State Department issues "Travel Advisories."  In addition to color coding ships, they also color code travel locations with associated recommendations for travel to those locations.  CDC merely removed cruise ship travel from being listed as a travel location.

 

As of 5 days ago, the CDC continues to make the following recommendations for cruise ship travel:

What You Need to Know

• Make sure you are up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines before cruise ship travel.
• If you are immunocompromised or at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19, even if you are up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines, talk to your healthcare provider about what additional precautions may be needed before, during, and after travel.
• The virus that causes COVID-19 spreads easily between people in close quarters on board ships. If the virus is spreading on board a cruise ship, passengers and crew are at risk for infection, even if they are up to date with their COVID-19 vaccines.
• Check your cruise ship’s color and vaccination status classification before traveling. Be aware that the ship’s status could change over time and may be different by the time of your cruise.
• Get a COVID-19 viral test as close to time of cruise departure as possible (no more than 3 days) before you travel.
  • See more information below about required testing before boarding a ship participating in CDC’s COVID-19 Program for Cruise Ships.
• Get a COVID-19 viral test 3-5 days after your cruise, regardless of your COVID-19 vaccination status.

There are many more recommendations including "do not travel" recommendations listed as well. The recommendations also state "Follow ship-specific mask protocols, which may change as the pandemic evolves and differ for passengers based on their vaccination status."  So, the advice has not ended, it was merely moved out of the category of a travel destination. 

 

More here:

Cruise Ship Travel During COVID-19 | CDC

 

 

[Eglesbrech]

On 4/2/2022 at 10:23 PM, Daniel A said:

I'm curious to know if you would consider any of the three situations a violation of the ASA:

 

Princess advertises a sailing with a stop in Saint Petersburg but changes the port to another one in Sweden.

 

Princess advertises a sailing with a stop in Bora Bora, but Bora Bora has passed a law prohibiting entry of a ship that size, so the port of call is changed to another island or makes it a sea day.

 

Princess advertises that you are purchasing 7 days in a Club Class Mini Suite.  You test positive for Covid on the second day of the cruise and you are moved into an obstructed balcony in a quarantine area of the ship.

 

In all of these situations, Princess needed to deal with variables which were out of their control, even though they sold thousands of bookings.  The passage contract stipulates this type of action may need to be taken.  Are they still violations of the ASA?  

But as you correctly state these elements are out of their control as so they are probably force majeure. Different thing entirely.

 

The information they place on their web site is fully within their control. They can change it any time they like, they can add a clear statement to say that they will implement sip and cover which basically means masking most of the time onboard while not actively eating or drinking or when in your cabin. They have not done so ergo someone booking today is not aware that this could be imposed on them.

 

I’m not anti mask (I hate them like most people but sometimes a necessary evil) but I think it only fair to tell people via clear information.
 

There are two older ladies on this ship who have cancelled several cruises as they really don’t like masks, they booked this one FCC  just the week before the sail date when the U.K. protocols were finally issued. No one mentioned the situation on Sky (which by then required masks) and according to them they specifically asked. They got the note re masks once onboard so now they feel cheated.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Eglesbrech
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[PacnGoNow]

On 4/1/2022 at 8:54 PM, Aladdin22 said:

Currently on Sky Princess 

 

UK Princess protocols clearly state no masks required, recommended but not required.

 

Boarded Monday, must wear masks. Now the ridiculous ‘sip and cover’ (although mainly being ignored) in all bars. 
 

Totally not what we were expecting. Very disappointing. Can’t understand why website (updated on 31 March) still saying no masks but reality totally different. 
 

Not happy at all, last cruise with Princess for us

They’re trying to keep you and the crew safe.  The website says in certain situations….

This ship just came in with 93 KNOWN cases of covid!  Look at other ships after masks were only recommended…

not good.

I hope they do mask again.  We sailed 4 weeks out of 6 weeks with the mandate. After it was lifted, cases onboard climbed to 73 cases that we know of.

 

Just try to enjoy yourselves and count your blessings that you are being protected.  JMO

[phillipahain]

Totally up to date with 2 innoculations plus a booster ...alwayes wear a mask ...got annoyed with those who refused to even when clearly posted outside elevators 

 

Hey ho did not catch covid onboard the entire 19 day ill fated sea voyage on Cunard over Xmas ...avoided it on Sky out of Miami but infected on train home out of Southampton by crazy UK removal of  restrictions on public transport ....yet we still wore SN 95 masks go figure       

[PacnGoNow]

5 hours ago, Ombud said:

So that was the reason?? Makes sense but I thought the reason was that it had to go to prior scheduled drydock 3 days early. Something to do with sewage  / plumbing issues

 

 

The plumbing was a big issue on at least 2 decks, I know…I was there!!!   Leaking sewage on at least 2 decks midship, the smell was terrible. They worked on it every day.  I was onboard for 6 weeks Feb and March.  Also, engine issues for quite a while now, vibration was very bad in the aft during departures from the islands.  
However, with more than 73 known covid cases by the SF arrival…..

think this too had something to do with the Canada cancellation?  JMO

 

[Ombud]

5 hours ago, MissP22 said:

I'm assuming that if negative roommate does choose to move into the quarantined cabin they would no longer be able to leave the cabin again ??

Yep. 

[caribill]

9 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

 

That's a hypothetical situation, since no country has even boosted all of their seniors.

 

 Back on topic, I sail with the expectation that a mask requirement will be imposed whenever there's an outbreak onboard. We're still in an epidemic that's harming many people. Covid19 is still active and evolving. This is reality.

 

On the other hand, if there is a mask requirement the entire time, then maybe an outbreak will be prevented.

[IJustWantToGo36]

3 hours ago, Daniel A said:

FALSE.    CDC has no such category called "Risk Advisories."  The State Department issues "Travel Advisories."  In addition to color coding ships, they also color code travel locations with associated recommendations for travel to those locations.  CDC merely removed cruise ship travel from being listed as a travel location.

 

 

 

 

You are right- media called it RISK ADVISORIES.  They are TRAVEL ADVISORIES

And they are OVER.    You can do what you wish and live in your bubble.

[Daniel A]

19 minutes ago, IJustWantToGo36 said:

You are right- media called it RISK ADVISORIES.  They are TRAVEL ADVISORIES

And they are OVER.    You can do what you wish and live in your bubble.

And a very nice bubble it is too!  🏖️🏝️🛳️⛱️🥰

[cruisingrob21]

Not to create an unfounded rumor, but given how princess pierside staff barely glances at vaccine cards at boarding, I feel like there may be a percentage of passengers boarding with fraudulent vaccine cards, and thus, no vaccine induced resistance.  I know the vaccines lose efficacy with time, but it seems peculiar that there are still being these outbreaks, although they may be generally mild.  Thoughts?

[IJustWantToGo36]

1 hour ago, cruisingrob21 said:

Not to create an unfounded rumor, but given how princess pierside staff barely glances at vaccine cards at boarding, I feel like there may be a percentage of passengers boarding with fraudulent vaccine cards, and thus, no vaccine induced resistance.  I know the vaccines lose efficacy with time, but it seems peculiar that there are still being these outbreaks, although they may be generally mild.  Thoughts?

Fake cards- of course

outbreaks as an indicator- no one intellegent believed  that vaccines would stop covid.  It would stop p;eople dying.

Also, the question of negative effacey after a period of time post booster is up for discussion- but cannot be discussed here to to cc regs.

[Daniel A]

55 minutes ago, cruisingrob21 said:

Not to create an unfounded rumor, but given how princess pierside staff barely glances at vaccine cards at boarding, I feel like there may be a percentage of passengers boarding with fraudulent vaccine cards, and thus, no vaccine induced resistance.  I know the vaccines lose efficacy with time, but it seems peculiar that there are still being these outbreaks, although they may be generally mild.  Thoughts?

The vaccines do not confer total immunity from catching Covid, rather they greatly reduce the likelihood of severe illness or death.  If a few cheaters use forged cards to board and catch Covid, it isn't likely that the ship's health facility would be overwhelmed.  I would also think if the unvaccinated cheater were to show up in the medical suite, it's likely the medical staff will know pretty soon that they used forgeries to board.  The important thing is that the majority of passengers aren't cheaters and if one is inclined to lie to get on board a cruise and they get seriously ill, then that's Darwin at work.