Rackham Posted June 15, 2023 #101 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, latebuyer said: Just curious when the radiance class of ships and grandeur of the seas will age out and they won’t be used anymore? Typically around age 30 with modern ships. Historically, Royal has sold, transferred, or scrapped around or before age 25 however. Edited June 15, 2023 by Rackham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Vickie Posted June 15, 2023 #102 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) On 6/13/2023 at 10:50 PM, Charles4515 said: They did that with the M class and Radiance Class. Those are the same hull. They are on the same hull, but built out differently. The Celebrity S class ships are actually very similar in layout to the Radiance class ships. We enjoy both the M class and the S class. We stick to Radiance class on Royal, did Adventure once, and have no desire to do anything bigger. We also sail HAL, they have some great itineraries in Alaska and the Med, and the ship size is comfortable for us.we’d love it if Royal would build a new smaller ship. Edited June 15, 2023 by Miss Vickie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 15, 2023 #103 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Charles4515 said: I see Quantum of the Seas and Ovation of the Seas going to Vancouver. They only stop in Vancouver when they do the repos to / From Hawaii to get around the PVSA. Edited June 15, 2023 by Ourusualbeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted June 15, 2023 #104 Share Posted June 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: They only stop in Vancouver when they do the repos to / From Hawaii to get around the PVSA. I just read while googling around that Quantum class can only go under the bridge at low tide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted June 15, 2023 #105 Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) I know the time is ticking to go on smaller ships at mass market prices. I don't expect Royal to build smaller ships in the future. Glad we have got to experience smaller ships the last 30 years and for maybe 10 more years when Vision, Radiance and M class on Celebrity ships are retired. It will just be high end lines with smaller ships at premium prices after that. Edited June 15, 2023 by coaster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 15, 2023 #106 Share Posted June 15, 2023 50 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: I just read while googling around that Quantum class can only go under the bridge at low tide. Yep, Too difficult to plan weekly itineraries from there but they can manage the one offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted June 16, 2023 Author #107 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Thanks for posting the table. It looks like royal caribbean has a lot of building to do in 10 years if they want to replace ships. Just a note a casualty of this shift to larger ships will be kauai. Brilliance of the seas is the only ship i can find that goes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted June 16, 2023 #108 Share Posted June 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, latebuyer said: Thanks for posting the table. It looks like royal caribbean has a lot of building to do in 10 years if they want to replace ships. Just a note a casualty of this shift to larger ships will be kauai. Brilliance of the seas is the only ship i can find that goes there. Maybe it is the only Royal ship that goes there now but Holland America, Princess and NCL have ships that go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted June 16, 2023 Author #109 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Celebrity doesn’t go there either and princess and holland are long cruises. Pride of america gets horrible reviews. Not really a lot of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted June 16, 2023 Author #110 Share Posted June 16, 2023 In any event brilliance is still around and if i like her on the alaskan cruise i may sail to hawaii although a little concerned about sailing the pacific in a small ship. Sorry off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted June 16, 2023 #111 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, latebuyer said: In any event brilliance is still around and if i like her on the alaskan cruise i may sail to hawaii although a little concerned about sailing the pacific in a small ship. Sorry off topic. I would just fly to Hawaii. And no way I would do Alaska on Royal Caribbean. Royal does not do Glacier Bay. I did Alaska on Holland America from Vancouver and it was a great itinerary and cruise. Holland America and Princess are the best cruise lines to sail on out of Vancouver since they have the best Alaska itineraries and cruise tours. Best to leave Royal Caribbean for the Caribbean. Edited June 16, 2023 by Charles4515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted June 16, 2023 Author #112 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Thanks. I went on holland america and did glacier bay already. I wanted to do hubbard in a 7 night cruise and i had a cruise credit so i’m going royal caribbean.(I’m from vancouver and will probably go a third time so can try princess) Actually i believe my former post was on topic as an advantage of these larger ships is i presume you wouldn’t feel the roughness as much as on the smallships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare SteelCityCruiser10 Posted June 16, 2023 #113 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Onboard Radiance this week Capt. Marek talked about the Discovery Class coming to replace Voyager & Radiance class at the top tier event. He did say they would be around 3000 passengers capacity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra36 Posted June 16, 2023 #114 Share Posted June 16, 2023 4 hours ago, SteelCityCruiser10 said: Onboard Radiance this week Capt. Marek talked about the Discovery Class coming to replace Voyager & Radiance class at the top tier event. He did say they would be around 3000 passengers capacity. It will be interesting to see IF that plays out in the next 5 or so years, one can only hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Liljo22 Posted June 16, 2023 #115 Share Posted June 16, 2023 12 hours ago, latebuyer said: Thanks for posting the table. It looks like royal caribbean has a lot of building to do in 10 years if they want to replace ships. Just a note a casualty of this shift to larger ships will be kauai. Brilliance of the seas is the only ship i can find that goes there. I don't think Royal is looking at the number of ships as they are the number of passengers. The Icon OTS covers 3 Vision class ships on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted June 16, 2023 #116 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Liljo22 said: I don't think Royal is looking at the number of ships as they are the number of passengers. The Icon OTS covers 3 Vision class ships on its own. Royal has made a niche for itself of having super large ships with a large number of passengers. They do that rather well. I don’t think it makes sense for them to modify that formula which seems to work for them. The Royal group has Celebrity brand that has relatively smaller ships and they have reciprocated loyalty benefits. The other mainstream cruise lines have relatively smaller ships. None is forced to book Royal. Other choices exist in the mainstream category. Royal might in the future build some smaller Royal branded ships but I don’t see it as at the top of their to do list with their current financial situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruiselvr04 Posted June 16, 2023 #117 Share Posted June 16, 2023 If they age out all the smaller ships that will definitely keep the brand out of the world cruise market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted June 16, 2023 Author #118 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Charles4515 said: Royal has made a niche for itself of having super large ships with a large number of passengers. They do that rather well. I don’t think it makes sense for them to modify that formula which seems to work for them. The Royal group has Celebrity brand that has relatively smaller ships and they have reciprocated loyalty benefits. The other mainstream cruise lines have relatively smaller ships. None is forced to book Royal. Other choices exist in the mainstream category. Royal might in the future build some smaller Royal branded ships but I don’t see it as at the top of their to do list with their current financial situation. So basically less itineraries. I just find it a shame as they do have competive pricing in some instances. It is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedIguana Posted June 17, 2023 #119 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/15/2023 at 11:38 PM, latebuyer said: Actually i believe my former post was on topic as an advantage of these larger ships is i presume you wouldn’t feel the roughness as much as on the smallships. You may be surprised at how little difference there really is, and that it can be worse on the larger ships on the upper decks. The stabilizers on ships built in the last 25 years or so pretty much equalize and dampen the amount of roll. Granted the worst seas I have encountered on a cruise ship was on Brilliance, we caught the 50+ knot winds and 20-25 ft seas for a night returning to Tampa last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 17, 2023 #120 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 11:36 AM, cruiselvr04 said: If they age out all the smaller ships that will definitely keep the brand out of the world cruise market. To early to tell if Royal even wants to be in world cruise market. UWC may be a 1 and done 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 17, 2023 #121 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 11:42 AM, latebuyer said: So basically less itineraries. I just find it a shame as they do have competive pricing in some instances. It is what it is. They have competitive prices in weak markets. Doesn't make sense to keep them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Researcher Posted June 17, 2023 #122 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/15/2023 at 6:21 PM, Miss Vickie said: They are on the same hull, but built out differently. The Celebrity S class ships are actually very similar in layout to the Radiance class ships. We enjoy both the M class and the S class. We stick to Radiance class on Royal, did Adventure once, and have no desire to do anything bigger. We also sail HAL, they have some great itineraries in Alaska and the Med, and the ship size is comfortable for us.we’d love it if Royal would build a new smaller ship. Celebrity S class really are beauties. My only grip is the centrums rather than a Royal Promanade. It just makes the interior chopped up with no grand space like the Promenades get you. Having said that, LOVE so many other things on those ships. Sunset bar, the lawn area, the gorgeous dining room, Sushi on 5, the indoor pool and hot tubs, the outside focus and connection to the sea, I could go on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveru621 Posted June 17, 2023 #123 Share Posted June 17, 2023 There are an increasing number of ports that are limiting passenger capacity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted June 17, 2023 #124 Share Posted June 17, 2023 IMHO Royal is not interested in the small cruise ship market. They will leave that to lines like Margaritaville at Sea. Royal is shooting for the moon on the megaships and the handful of itineraries that they can sail at full capacity year round. Last night we were chatting with our server onboard Oasis who has been with Royal for 10 years. He said that he is concerned about how Royal is going to staff all of these new megaships with two to three thousand-plus crew per sailing. He thinks they need at least 50% experienced staff on a given sailing to meet the minimum service levels, so they will need to poach crew from other ships while they train up the new recruits. I could sense the apprehension in his voice about how well that is (or isn't) going to turn out. Time will tell whether Royal can pull it off and what the end result will be for the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 17, 2023 #125 Share Posted June 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Pratique said: Last night we were chatting with our server onboard Oasis who has been with Royal for 10 years. He said that he is concerned about how Royal is going to staff all of these new megaships with two to three thousand-plus crew per sailing. He thinks they need at least 50% experienced staff on a given sailing to meet the minimum service levels, so they will need to poach crew from other ships while they train up the new recruits. I could sense the apprehension in his voice about how well that is (or isn't) going to turn out. Time will tell whether Royal can pull it off and what the end result will be for the rest of They have been doing that with every new ship built. As they build more large ships it actually gets easier for them as they have more ships and more staff to draw from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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