Rare BirdTravels Posted October 4, 2023 #1 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) Norwegian Joy January 2024 February 2024 Edited October 5, 2023 by BirdTravels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted October 5, 2023 Author #2 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Or... is this the fate of the Encore and Bliss? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted October 5, 2023 #3 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) So, you obviously just did some cut and paste and have no basis to stir up stuff. Why suggest that NCL is about to screw up the two best ships in the fleet? We already know that they're messing up the Joy by returning the OL area to an earlier configuration. Why do you think that they're going to do this to Encore and Bliss? Edited October 5, 2023 by ChiefMateJRK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallux Posted October 5, 2023 #4 Share Posted October 5, 2023 There is LOTS of discussion on the Joy's changes in other threads. The Joy is the easiest to do this with as the infrastructure to support the cabins (plumbing and electrical) is likely there already as there used to be cabins in those locations. Bliss and Encore never had cabins there, it might not be worth the cost to add cabins there on those ships. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAcruising Posted October 5, 2023 #5 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) C'mon Bird. You know this was simply an opportunistic move by NCL on the Joy. They simply returned the ship to its original configuration when it was built for the SE Asia market -- probably because all the infrastructure was still there, and it was a relatively simple exercise. There is no way this will happen to Encore and Bliss. You know better. Edited October 5, 2023 by IAcruising 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakcruiser Posted October 5, 2023 #6 Share Posted October 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, IAcruising said: C'mon Bird. You know this was simply an opportunistic move by NCL on the Joy. They simply returned the ship to its original configuration when it was built for the SE Asia market -- probably because all the infrastructure was still there, and it was a relatively simple exercise. There is no way this will happen to Encore and Bliss. You know better. Never say never. I wouldn't think they would do this to the Bliss and Encore but when the bean counters get pushing their beans around you never know. And I know it's a different class of ship, but they had no problem removing the observation lounges on the Dawn and Star to put in more rooms and they had no existing infrastructure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted October 5, 2023 #7 Share Posted October 5, 2023 44 minutes ago, yakcruiser said: Never say never. I wouldn't think they would do this to the Bliss and Encore but when the bean counters get pushing their beans around you never know. And I know it's a different class of ship, but they had no problem removing the observation lounges on the Dawn and Star to put in more rooms and they had no existing infrastructure. Let's hope they learned their lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted October 5, 2023 #8 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Wow, those pictures genuinely make me sad. Those OLs are such beautiful, special spaces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted October 5, 2023 Author #9 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Observation Lounge = No Revenue Rooms = Revenue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKstages Posted October 5, 2023 #10 Share Posted October 5, 2023 i'm in the camp that the observation lounges do actually add revenue because they increase guest enjoyment and satisfaction. and that is a leading indicator of the likelihood to book another cruise. you remove broadway-style shows, you take certain drinks out of the baseline drink package, you build ships with small observation lounges or you eliminate 45% of the existing seating in existing lounges, you reduce housekeeping services... pretty soon, you've drastically altered the cost/value perception. i'm sailing on a B2B on the joy later this month and one of the things i enjoy most is that OL. with it gone, the ship becomes far less appealing to me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare SpainAlien Posted October 5, 2023 #11 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 hours ago, UKstages said: you remove broadway-style shows, you take certain drinks out of the baseline drink package, you build ships with small observation lounges or you eliminate 45% of the existing seating in existing lounges, you reduce housekeeping services... pretty soon, you've drastically altered the cost/value perception. They've done most of this already and I must admit I am holding off from booking another NCL cruise (after the one I have in November) until I check out RCCL cost cutting measures in February. The value for money has reduced drastically since i started cruising 8 years ago and whilst I appreciate that the cruise lines have covid debt to pay off they still have to provide an attractive service to maintain high booking levels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted October 5, 2023 #12 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, SpainAlien said: They've done most of this already and I must admit I am holding off from booking another NCL cruise (after the one I have in November) until I check out RCCL cost cutting measures in February. I'm in a similar situation. Most of my recent cruises were NCL, but all the cuts drove me to check out RCCL this summer (far superior entertainment) and I am trying desperately to get next summer's cruise on a different line. We love Encore and Bliss for Alaska in large part because of the OL. Take that away and when next we book Alaska there will be zero incentive to book NCL. All that being said, the ships are still going out full, so, all these cuts aren't yet affecting revenue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted October 5, 2023 #13 Share Posted October 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, PATRLR said: All that being said, the ships are still going out full, so, all these cuts aren't yet affecting revenue. Did b2b Sky in September, 10 day cheap cruises which sailed at 75% and 65%. Not one of the big ships, but I doubt Wheel of Fortune is gonna change anything. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexddd Posted October 5, 2023 #14 Share Posted October 5, 2023 The OL are mostly old folks sleeping. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted October 5, 2023 #15 Share Posted October 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, dexddd said: The OL are mostly old folks sleeping. The observation lounge on the Prima during the sail in to Geiranger was anything but that. (And we are "old folks".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlake43 Posted October 5, 2023 #16 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Bliss and Encore still go to Alaska and Joy doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallux Posted October 5, 2023 #17 Share Posted October 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, BBlake43 said: Bliss and Encore still go to Alaska and Joy doesn't You might want to reconsider that statement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlake43 Posted October 5, 2023 #18 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, hallux said: You might want to reconsider that statement... My most sincere apologies for not realizing it was doing Alaskan cruises again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted October 5, 2023 #19 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, BirdTravels said: Observation Lounge = No Revenue Rooms = Revenue So why not also eliminate the showroom, comedy clubs, pool deck, etc? Do you really think that a ship with an Observation Lounge does not contribute to revenue? I only book NCL ships with OLs. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Are you also going to eliminate the Haven lounges based upon the same "logic?"🤣 Edited October 5, 2023 by ChiefMateJRK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefMateJRK Posted October 5, 2023 #20 Share Posted October 5, 2023 13 hours ago, PATRLR said: Wow, those pictures genuinely make me sad. Those OLs are such beautiful, special spaces. You do realize she just made those up. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakcruiser Posted October 5, 2023 #21 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Our observation lounges on all are ships will now require a fee to access. You can pay a one-time fee of $19.95 or for your convenience you can buy a 7-day pass for $79.99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc_load_letter Posted October 5, 2023 #22 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I wouldn't put it past them. Especially with their changes to the spa rooms\suites not have spa access included. Now an upcharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAHAM Posted October 5, 2023 #23 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Enjoyed the OLs on the Prima and Viva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted October 5, 2023 #24 Share Posted October 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said: You do realize she just made those up. Right? Otherwise, knowing which balcony stateroom is mine (port or starboard) would be confusing. 😵💫 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PATRLR Posted October 5, 2023 #25 Share Posted October 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said: You do realize she just made those up. Right? Yes. But, Bird sometimes seems to have some insight that others don't. What was drawn certainly is plausible. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this is being contemplated somewhere within NCL. 16 minutes ago, Two Wheels Only said: Otherwise, knowing which balcony stateroom is mine (port or starboard) would be confusing. 😵💫 No - you don't understand. You get both rooms so you can be assured of being on the best side of the ship for scenic viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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