Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #326 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, pete_coach said: OMG.... edited and/or clipped to make the point of the user. We are in such a mess because of social media misinformation and disinformation and people believe it to be the truth LOL What do you mean by "we're in a mess"? Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare prmssk Posted June 1 #327 Share Posted June 1 25 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said: Social Media is one of the best sources of video evidence and often it's obtained far quicker (sometimes live-streamed) than the major news outlets. Almost everything posted to social media has been edited, clipped, etc. to fit the goals/agenda/bias of the person posting (regardless if they intend to actually deceive anyone). With AI now at everyone's finger tips, videos and photos can be completely fabricated with almost no effort. I disagree that social media is any reliable or accurate source of evidence. At best, it points to who might have some video/photo evidence. Someone would have to dig into the raw photo/video files and metadata to look for any reliable evidence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_coach Posted June 1 #328 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said: What do you mean by "we're in a mess"? Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist Please, give your head a shake LOL Social media is a cesspool of mis and dis information Flat earth....LOL Edited June 1 by pete_coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #329 Share Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, prmssk said: Almost everything posted to social media has been edited, clipped, etc. to fit the goals/agenda/bias of the person posting (regardless if they intend to actually deceive anyone). With AI now at everyone's finger tips, videos and photos can be completely fabricated with almost no effort. I disagree that social media is any reliable or accurate source of evidence. At best, it points to who might have some video/photo evidence. Someone would have to dig into the raw photo/video files and metadata to look for any reliable evidence. So is the news coming from news outlets. Back to my original point, news outlets need to receive permission from social media posters to use their videos so sometimes new outlets are putting out biased info without any videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #330 Share Posted June 1 Just now, pete_coach said: Please, give your head a shake LOL Flat earth....LOL Maybe this is all a Canadian thing? We're not "in a mess" due to social media misinformation here in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_coach Posted June 1 #331 Share Posted June 1 1 minute ago, NutsAboutGolf said: Maybe this is all a Canadian thing? We're not "in a mess" due to social media misinformation here in the US OH no, it is not a Canadian thing LOL If you think you are not subject to mis and dis information on social media, speak with your politicians that are trying to regulate it LOL We are subject to your Truth Social too 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 1 #332 Share Posted June 1 29 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said: Hawaii has radar and you'd imagine access to the ship's navigational data, this doesn't seem to count as evidence. What radar would the ship show up on? While most radar within the islands will pick up an aerial target where the Edge was, the Na Pali coast, with its high bluffs creates quite a "land shadow" for at least a mile from shore there. How does the state have access to the ship's navigational data, unless the ship gives it up, and again, unlikely without a warrant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #333 Share Posted June 1 13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: What radar would the ship show up on? While most radar within the islands will pick up an aerial target where the Edge was, the Na Pali coast, with its high bluffs creates quite a "land shadow" for at least a mile from shore there. How does the state have access to the ship's navigational data, unless the ship gives it up, and again, unlikely without a warrant. If not radar or ship nav data, what evidence IS typically required to confirm a ship sails too close? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4HCG Posted June 1 #334 Share Posted June 1 38 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said: What do you mean by "we're in a mess"? Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist Hang on - you telling me the earth isn’t flat???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #335 Share Posted June 1 18 minutes ago, pete_coach said: OH no, it is not a Canadian thing LOL If you think you are not subject to mis and dis information on social media, speak with your politicians that are trying to regulate it LOL We are subject to your Truth Social too 🙂 In the US, we have 15K+ congressional bills currently, we try to regulate many things; it's just politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted June 1 #336 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, C4HCG said: Hang on - you telling me the earth isn’t flat???? Ha ha. I want to copyright the "Pluto is a real planet and is triangular" society...ha ha Back on topic, I wonder if any other X-ships have ever violated resisted areas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaHunt Posted June 1 #337 Share Posted June 1 15 minutes ago, C4HCG said: Hang on - you telling me the earth isn’t flat???? My favorite NASA pin 😁 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisestitch Posted June 4 #338 Share Posted June 4 Seems odd, what with the photos and all… https://apple.news/A2SJJjRHuOXSTsOSOvS8FBw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted June 4 #339 Share Posted June 4 (edited) Well the photos have geotags in them that that have the position where the photo was taken at. So you have the position of the ship from photos taken from the ship. You have the position of the boats that took pictures. A bunch of pictures and positions. It should have been more than enough evidence... I guess it comes down to a state investigation vs. federal... Edited June 4 by NMTraveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted June 4 #340 Share Posted June 4 Why? Despite 20+ years of Law and Order telling us the opposite many if not most investigations do not result in charges. Evidence and legal elements of proof actually come into play. Which likely includes “intent”. And the agency conducting the investigation may not have the resources to analyze and interpret the various third part visuals posted on social media. Everyone can agree it’s wrong but there still be no case. Not as unusual as people seem to think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruseKrazy Posted June 4 #341 Share Posted June 4 I speculate Celebrity said sorry, we won’t do it again and the State then dropped the charges. We were on board and it was spectacular. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liao Posted June 4 #342 Share Posted June 4 8 hours ago, cruisestitch said: Seems odd, what with the photos and all… https://apple.news/A2SJJjRHuOXSTsOSOvS8FBw 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_K Posted June 4 #343 Share Posted June 4 9 hours ago, NMTraveller said: Well the photos have geotags in them that that have the position where the photo was taken at. So you have the position of the ship from photos taken from the ship. You have the position of the boats that took pictures. A bunch of pictures and positions. It should have been more than enough evidence... I guess it comes down to a state investigation vs. federal... The feds were quite clear from the beginning that no federal laws were involved. And the only Hawaiian law that might have been broken carries a maximum $1,000 fine. Yet people here seem to think they should have investigated it like millions of dollars were at stake. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted June 4 #344 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark_K said: The feds were quite clear from the beginning that no federal laws were involved. And the only Hawaiian law that might have been broken carries a maximum $1,000 fine. Yet people here seem to think they should have investigated it like millions of dollars were at stake. I understand that no federal laws were broken. I think that a federal investigation would have been more rigorous if it occurred... However if it is the equivalent of a speeding ticket fine, then perhaps that is why the "investigation" seemed to be so casual. Hardly worth news print in that case. Edited June 4 by NMTraveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PTC DAWG Posted June 4 #345 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, NMTraveller said: I understand that no federal laws were broken. I think that a federal investigation would have been more rigorous if it occurred... However if it is the equivalent of a speeding ticket fine, then perhaps that is why the "investigation" seemed to be so casual. Hardly worth news print in that case. Lots of “journalists” are anti cruise ship, period. Anything to throw a little shade on cruising works for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMS Cruising Posted June 4 #346 Share Posted June 4 Looks like authorities in Hawaii will be keeping a close eye on cruise ships in the State from now on. https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/04/state-closely-monitor-cruise-ships-after-large-liner-appeared-sail-too-close-kauais-na-pali-coast/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom and Ingrid Posted June 4 #347 Share Posted June 4 5 minutes ago, MMS Cruising said: Looks like authorities in Hawaii will be keeping a close eye on cruise ships in the State from now on. It would probably make more sense to add some teeth to the local ordinance? Make it a $1,000 fine per person on the boat/ship? Tiny fines mean nothing to a large business. Individuals are mostly deterred, but a ship with 3k-4k folks aboard would be on the hook for millions not the cost of a "drink package" for a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 4 #348 Share Posted June 4 26 minutes ago, Tom and Ingrid said: It would probably make more sense to add some teeth to the local ordinance? Make it a $1,000 fine per person on the boat/ship? Tiny fines mean nothing to a large business. Individuals are mostly deterred, but a ship with 3k-4k folks aboard would be on the hook for millions not the cost of a "drink package" for a couple. If you read Hawaii Code 13-252-9, under Part 3 "Ocean Waters, Navigable Streams and Beaches" it states: "As incident to a lawful arrest, the arresting authority may take legal custody of any personal property which is the subject of or related to any violation of these rules. The property may be released only upon approval by the court which has jurisdiction of the case." Which means that, just like in Maine where illegal hunting can result in confiscation of the gun, car, boat, or ATV used in the illegal activity, that Hawaii can confiscate the ship, and the line would have to appeal to court to get it back. The Captain would also be subject to arrest. Probably enough teeth to get their attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcornell Posted June 4 #349 Share Posted June 4 Correction: No CRIMINAL or CIVIL charges but the Captain was tried and convicted within the first few hours here on Cruise Critic. 😉 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlane Posted June 4 #350 Share Posted June 4 26 minutes ago, gcornell said: tried and convicted By some. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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