Canadian Tyler Posted April 30, 2013 #26 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Hope they're on time with this! I'm on Feb 23rd as well. Sounds like some interesting changes. Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboref Posted April 30, 2013 #27 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I would be disappointed to lose the CC. I like specialty restaurants, but having a cigar everyday is a special treat for my vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinfanatic Posted April 30, 2013 #28 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'm pretty sure RCI ships have Flowrider Juniors. They weigh in at about 180,000 lbs. But yes, some modification will still have to be done. Also, 180,000 lbs is a big deal when 13 stories high on a ship. From what I know about ship stability, the modifications will be pretty extensive. They could easily put it where the basketball court is or take out the golf and roller blade track. Won't weigh anymore than a regular pool would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM-1972 Posted April 30, 2013 #29 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I wonder if they will add cabins to get the virtual balcony cabins as most insides have the beds against the back wall and I don't think they are wide enough for the beds to be positioned as they are in balcony cabins. I do hope that Adventure gets a flowrider as we are hoping to book her for July 2014. I think her refit is in April 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx121 Posted April 30, 2013 #30 Share Posted April 30, 2013 For the Voyager, Adventure and Explorer of the seas, I can see how the flowrider would be possible. They will get rid of the children's area slide and pool and the inline skating area to make room for the flowrider. However, the Navigator and Mariner are set up differently. There is no slide or children's pool. That space is where Adventure Ocean's 9-11 yr old program is and also the teen outside club area. Unless they will knock down the kid's area and put it somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_G Posted April 30, 2013 #31 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'm pretty sure RCI ships have Flowrider Juniors. They weigh in at about 180,000 lbs. But yes, some modification will still have to be done. Also, 180,000 lbs is a big deal when 13 stories high on a ship. From what I know about ship stability, the modifications will be pretty extensive. Thankfully! 362K might look like a canoe with twin 50's on the back. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eng23 Posted April 30, 2013 #32 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I haven't pulled up any pictures, but I'm pretty sure Voyager Class already has a stern sponson on its hull. My concern is more for the structural support on the upper decks. It seems like major changes would need to be made in order to support it. That thing weighs something like 200,000 lbs. And lets not forget about how much water and it's weight that would be needed for the Flowrider. The flow rate of the water on the Flowrider is impressive and I'm sure there has to be a reservior that the water circulates through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor2010 Posted April 30, 2013 #33 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If it wasn't possible, they wouldn't have announced it. The FlowRider Singles on the RCI ships weigh 362,000lbs, but you would be surprised at how much weight the deck can take. Some modification will be needed though. What annoys me is how there is very little consistency with the refits. For example, Mariner is the only Voyager class with a Boardwalk Dog House, when they could have put it on the Freedom class as well. Likewise with Izumi and the Park Cafe. Why those weren't on the Independence refit I don't know. I would love to try out those places. They are actually doubles. We have a single at the waterpark near our house :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinfanatic Posted April 30, 2013 #34 Share Posted April 30, 2013 And lets not forget about how much water and it's weight that would be needed for the Flowrider. The flow rate of the water on the Flowrider is impressive and I'm sure there has to be a reservior that the water circulates through. the 180,000 lbs is with the water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzin-K Posted April 30, 2013 #35 Share Posted April 30, 2013 The ones on Oasis are doubles. The Freedom class seems to be a more unique size (although the website calls it a "single", over on the side of the page) http://www.waveloch.com/case-study/royal-caribbean-international Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworthy01 Posted April 30, 2013 #36 Share Posted April 30, 2013 http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipClassCode=VY&shipCode=NV&br=R&cid=sm_agt_fcbk_p_fcb_2124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryano Posted April 30, 2013 #37 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If it wasn't possible, they wouldn't have announced it. . This ^ Isnt amazing how some here will question RCI engineering and even go as far as to say its impossible? :D:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted April 30, 2013 #38 Share Posted April 30, 2013 This ^ Isnt amazing how some here will question RCI engineering and even go as far as to say its impossible? :D:) Who said it was impossible? Who questioned RCI engineering? :confused: For the record, I did neither. Ships have been a big part of my career for 20 years, so I take great interest in design, and I work beside a Naval Engineer, a Captain of the Port, and a handful of ship inspectors. When structural modifications need to be made to support an object, I learn from it and it benefits me. But this is CC so naturally, some will take it completely the wrong way. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 30, 2013 #39 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I would hate to see the mini golf go away on the ships. It is an area that always seems to get a lot of use and by many age groups. The roller blading track is a different matter though. I've never seen one getting much use on the ships. As for carving any space out of the solarium for any dining additions, the solarium is always packed with folks during sea days. Using any of that space is going to make trying to get seats in there even worse than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktoneer Posted April 30, 2013 #40 Share Posted April 30, 2013 YES YES YES YES YES :) We live in Houston and LOVE cruising and only cruise on a RCCL ship with a Flowrider. This is a dream come true :D Congratulations ! Ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topo Gigio Posted April 30, 2013 #41 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Looks like Adventure won't be getting all these upgrade since she is going for only 10 days into dry dock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVALUATOR Posted April 30, 2013 #42 Share Posted April 30, 2013 RCI could use diet water in the flowrider making it weigh a lot less. Kidding aside, they cut the Enchantment in half and added a huge section. Adding flowriders to the Voyager class is probably a lot closer to changing the daily elevator signs than stretching the Enchantment in the engineering scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted April 30, 2013 #43 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I would hate to see the mini golf go away on the ships. It is an area that always seems to get a lot of use and by many age groups. The roller blading track is a different matter though. I've never seen one getting much use on the ships. As for carving any space out of the solarium for any dining additions, the solarium is always packed with folks during sea days. Using any of that space is going to make trying to get seats in there even worse than it is now. Yes, they ruined Enchantment's Solarium this way. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahqa Posted April 30, 2013 #44 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I haven't pulled up any pictures, but I'm pretty sure Voyager Class already has a stern sponson on its hull. My concern is more for the structural support on the upper decks. It seems like major changes would need to be made in order to support it. That thing weighs something like 200,000 lbs. A flowrider double, like what's on the Oasis and Freedom class, weighs 535,000 lbs (310 lbs/sq ft). A single weighs 362,000 lbs. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahqa Posted April 30, 2013 #45 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If it wasn't possible, they wouldn't have announced it. The FlowRider Singles on the RCI ships weigh 362,000lbs, but you would be surprised at how much weight the deck can take. Some modification will be needed though. Those aren't singles on the Oasis and Freedom class ships. They're small, I suspect custom, doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunset Glow Posted April 30, 2013 #46 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Navigator currently has the largest Adventure Ocean fleet wide - over 20,000 sq ft I believe. Maybe they will scale back the AO size and remove the roller blading track and use some of that space for a FloRider. My kids only used the roller blading track once and I never saw anyone else using it when we were up in that sports area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 30, 2013 #47 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I haven't pulled up any pictures, but I'm pretty sure Voyager Class already has a stern sponson on its hull. My concern is more for the structural support on the upper decks. It seems like major changes would need to be made in order to support it. That thing weighs something like 200,000 lbs. They do as do the Freedom class ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eng23 Posted April 30, 2013 #48 Share Posted April 30, 2013 the 180,000 lbs is with the water Ok. Thanks for that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eng23 Posted April 30, 2013 #49 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If you ever wondered what a Flowrider contains internally, here you go. By the way this is on the Allure of the Seas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail2sea Posted April 30, 2013 #50 Share Posted April 30, 2013 ^very cool picture. It will be interesting to see if all voyager class will get the flow rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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